Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Matt Jolly
On 24/9/24 10:52, Mitchell Dorrell wrote: I run a four-monitor system using NVIDIA's closed-source drivers. Last I heard, Wayland did not work with such a combination. Has that changed? I run several 3-monitor NVIDIA setups on Wayland with no issue. One of my 4-monitor setups has one scree

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Mitchell Dorrell
On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 5:11 PM Eli Schwartz wrote: > The resulting packages pull in support libraries that implement both > technologies. This is (usually, absent dlopen tricks) a fundamental > requirement of "ld.so", the runtime loader: if you compile support for > it, you have to have it instal

[gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Gentoo. I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or reloaded, several of them big packages. What's going on? There were lots of qt and kde packages being sucked in. But what stood out prominently

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Wol
On 23/09/2024 21:14, Alan Mackenzie wrote: What on Earth is going on? I never asked for wayland, and I haven't received any news items about it in the last few weeks. I know little about this X substitute, but one thing's vitually certain; that installing it as emerge intended would lead to a l

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Mon, 2024-09-23 at 22:08 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > But the unused code still gets built in, doesn't it? That's a somewhat > un-gentoo like situation. > It depends on the language, but in a compiled language, not usually. Regardless: if you aren't a fan of widespread changes to global

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Eli. On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at 17:11:14 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote: > On 9/23/24 4:14 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hello, Gentoo. > > I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my > > (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or > > reloaded, sev

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/23/24 4:14 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Gentoo. > > I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my > (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or > reloaded, several of them big packages. What's going on? > > There were lots of qt and kde p

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Arsen Arsenović
Hello, Alan, Alan Mackenzie writes: > Hello, Gentoo. > > I got a nasty shock earlier on this evening when I was updating my > (still newish) system. Around (perhaps) 70 packages to be updated or > reloaded, several of them big packages. What's going on? > > There were lots of qt and kde packag

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread karl
Wol: ... > X comes in two halves, the front end (or server, they use the words the > other way round to normal), ... No, server is a software concept, a program that waits and responds to inbound calls, the X-server is just that. A client is a program/user that pokes at the server and get respon

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/23/24 6:08 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> Do you have that little faith in the Gentoo Developers, that you think >> we'd make a USE flag change that made everyone's systems suddenly break? > > It happens, from time to time, by accident. For example, emerge > --depclean on my system wants to un

Re: [gentoo-user] Wayland! Beware of!

2024-09-23 Thread Eli Schwartz
On 9/23/24 8:52 PM, Mitchell Dorrell wrote: > I run a lean X system for desktop workflows, with USE="-wayland". > Every unconditional dev-libs/wayland dependency I've encountered has > used dlopen. These were proprietary binary applications like Zoom and > Slack. On an X system, they work completel