[gentoo-user] Re: Where to put advanced routing configuration?

2013-10-11 Thread Martin Vaeth
Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > And my counterarguments: > > 1. The iptables-restore syntax is uglier and harder to read. > > 2. You get better error reporting calling iptables repeatedly. > > 3. The published interface will never change; iptables-restore reads an > input language whose specification

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote: > that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news. > > And their dependency on systemd is just the usual ma

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 11/10/2013 09:54, Steven J. Long wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote: >> that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news. >>> And th

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:37:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:05:39 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > If *something1* at boot time requires access to *something2* at boot > > > time that isn't available then I would say that *something1* is broken > > > by design not the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:35:58PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> wrong analogy and it goes down from here. Really. > > Ohh, but they are inspired on YOUR analogy, so guess how wrong yours was. > > your trolling is weak. And since I never saw anything worth reading > posted by you, you ar

[gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 09:17:02PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > > > I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is > > > unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically > > > for this. It is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:36:02 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: > > It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, > > now it has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer > > devote the increasing time needed to support what has now become an > > dge case. > > Yeah an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:16:50 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: > > initramfs is the new /, for varying values of new since most distros > > have been doing it that way for well over a decade. > > Only it's not, since you're responsible for keeping it in sync with the > main system. No I'm not, the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:50:05AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 11/10/2013 09:54, Steven J. Long wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: > >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: > >From that one single action this entire mess of sep

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:42:33AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:36:02 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: > > > > It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, > > > now it has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer > > > devote the increasing t

[gentoo-user] kde-4.11.2 update-mime-database or is this a new portage comfort?

2013-10-11 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, I might be wrong but I can't remember this has happened earlier. When emerging the new kde-base/kde-meta-4.11.2 (about 250 packages here) portage runs update-mime-database /usr/share/mime many many times. Is this a new nuisance? Thanks for a comment, Helmut

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.11.2 update-mime-database or is this a new portage comfort?

2013-10-11 Thread Douglas J Hunley
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Helmut Jarausch < jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > > Is this a new nuisance? No, I've seen that for quite some time now -- Douglas J Hunley (doug.hun...@gmail.com) Twitter: @hunleyd Web: douglasjhunley.com G+

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:27:59 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: > > I don't understand why people keep banging on about Poettering in > > this, previously finished, thread. > > You brought up the background, wrt Greg K-H. Regardless of how you > feel, I'm not alone in considering Poettering's (and Se

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 11 Oct 2013 12:55:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: > While I'm loathe to use words like underhanded, ... Not "loathe" here but "loath" or even "loth". (Just to help non-native speakers avoid confusion, you understand.) :-) -- Regards, Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:11:55 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > While I'm loathe to use words like underhanded, ... > > > Not "loathe" here but "loath" or even "loth". > Ouch! -- Neil Bothwick Mac screen message: "Like, dude, something went wrong." signature.asc Description: PGP si

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Steven J. Long wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:37:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> initramfs is the new /, for varying values of new since most distros have >> been doing it that way for well over a decade. > > Only it's not, since you're responsible for kee

Re: [gentoo-user] kde-4.11.2 update-mime-database or is this a new portage comfort?

2013-10-11 Thread Stefano Crocco
Excerpts from Helmut Jarausch's message of 2013-10-11 13:23:14 +0200: > Hi, > > I might be wrong but I can't remember this has happened earlier. > > When emerging the new kde-base/kde-meta-4.11.2 (about 250 packages > here) portage runs > update-mime-database /usr/share/mime many many times. >

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: PowerColor HD 7850 SCS3 silent

2013-10-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 10.10.2013 21:10, schrieb James: > Hello, > > Well, I'm trying to reseach a 7850 slilent the silent > video card on an Gentoo based GA-99FXA-UD3 mobo. > > I've had Asus Radeons HD 7750 in these mobo, and it > is an outstanding bargain workstation. > > The PowerColor HD 7850 SCS3 seems to be ge

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 11.10.2013 10:28, schrieb Steven J. Long: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:35:58PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: wrong analogy and it goes down from here. Really. >>> Ohh, but they are inspired on YOUR analogy, so guess how wrong yours was. >> your trolling is weak. And since I never saw a

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: PowerColor HD 7850 SCS3 silent

2013-10-11 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann googlemail.com> writes: > > Will the card work anyway? Or should I wait until I get > > a PCI 3.0 based mobo? > it will work. pcie is compatible between revisions. > btw, it is PCIE not PCI. Completely different thing. Yeptired PCIe too. thx, James

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server update puzzle

2013-10-11 Thread Philip Webb
131009 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 08:13:41 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> I haven't tried xorg-server without xorg-x11 in a while, >> but lots of those utilities are useful : xkill, xrandr ... . >> What are they useful for ? -- I can't do 'man' as they're not installed >> & 'eix' sim

[gentoo-user] using lvm without a partition of type linux LVM

2013-10-11 Thread gottlieb
The lvm handbook addendum is no longer and we are instead to use the software raid + lvm2 quick install guide. That guide makes a few partitions of type linux raid and then puts lvm on a mirrored set (more is done). I wasn't using raid so skipped that step and wound up with one partition as a pv

[gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread walt
On 10/11/2013 01:42 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > I don't like systemd, Sorry if my memory is failing (it surely is) but I don't recall any explanation from you describing your dissatisfaction with systemd. The three happiest months of my life were spent as a student in London in the summer of 1974

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/11/2013 09:21 PM, walt wrote: > On 10/11/2013 01:42 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> I don't like systemd, > > Sorry if my memory is failing (it surely is) but I don't recall any > explanation from you describing your dissatisfaction with systemd. > > The three happiest months of my life were