[gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, I've been looking for simple method to create a simple initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. I've found http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_and_mount_/usr which didn't work for me. So, I've modified it, see http://www.igpm.rwth-aachen.de/jarausch/Temp/InitRAM

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Line-In input doesn't get forwarded as output

2012-03-27 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Tue 27 Mar 2012 08:05:42 AM IST, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 26/03/12 15:54, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I upgraded to gentoo-sources 3.3, but it seems there's either a bug or >> feature in the kernel. ALSA doesn't seem to forward line-in input to the >> output, while the same happe

[gentoo-user] vlc jitter / timing problem

2012-03-27 Thread Kraus Philipp
Hello, I'm using cvlc for streaming television data from /dev/video0 (on a x64 dual xeon system with 16GB RAM). I'm using a Hauppauge HVR 1900 with the unstable branche and self-build 3.2.11 kernel. The device /dev/video0 is created and if I run cat /dev/video0 > x.mpg the stream of the video d

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...

2012-03-27 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Mon, March 19, 2012 1:31 am, Pandu Poluan wrote: > When I started administering remote servers, Citrix's XenServer is Good > Enough™ to deploy in production, so now it's the first thing I install > on a > virgin box, even if said virgin box will host only one VM. > > This provides me with a u

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I've been looking for simple method to create a simple initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. I've found http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_and_mount_/usr If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The def

[gentoo-user] Minor questions: binutils-apple upgrade; pango; geany; etc.

2012-03-27 Thread Daniel Ibn Zayd
I've been working with Gentoo Prefix/Portage on a Mac Powerbook G4 for the past few weeks, and other than a few minor glitches easily rectified, I'm extremely happy with the way it works and works well. I do have a few minor questions concerning the appearance of updates to ebuilds, as well as how

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Mike Edenfield wrote: > On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've been looking for simple method to create a simple >> initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. >> >> I've found >> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_check_

[gentoo-user] After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Gentoo. I've been thinking about the problem of the conflation of every executable into /usr. If /usr isn't on /, the system can't boot without special preperations. Nothing new here. The method usually discussed is to copy the booting software into an initramfs on a partition other than

Re: [gentoo-user] Minor questions: binutils-apple upgrade; pango; geany; etc.

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:26:12 -0400 "Daniel Ibn Zayd" wrote: > I've been working with Gentoo Prefix/Portage on a Mac Powerbook G4 > for the past few weeks, and other than a few minor glitches easily > rectified, I'm extremely happy with the way it works and works well. > > I do have a few minor q

Re: [gentoo-user] Minor questions: binutils-apple upgrade; pango; geany; etc.

2012-03-27 Thread Alex Schuster
Daniel Ibn Zayd writes: > 1) I installed portage according to the bootstrap instructions, setting > binutils-apple to version 3.2 (now 3.2.6) according to my version of > XCode. Nonetheless, doing a world update pretend run always gives me > this: > > Code: > [ebuild NS] sys-devel/binutils-a

Re: [gentoo-user] After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Gentoo. > > I've been thinking about the problem of the conflation of every > executable into /usr.  If /usr isn't on /, the system can't boot without > special preperations.  Nothing new here. > > The method usually discussed is to c

RE: [gentoo-user] After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:37 AM > My question: what, technically, prevents me from copying the booting > software instead to /sbin and booting the system that way? Nothing; in fact, this was the general solution to the problem of "something else

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:30:41 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > If we're going to be shoved into tight space like this, I'd be nice if > the "you can just use $x" tools work on stable. I've got three > previously-working systems at home I can't risk rebooting right now > because of this udev+/usr nonsens

Re: [gentoo-user] After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Mike Edenfield wrote: [snip] > As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start to realize > that the idea of "tiny partition that contains just what I need to boot and > mount /usr" is becoming "not so tiny" anymore. The distinction between what

Re: [gentoo-user] After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:02:02AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: > > From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:37 AM > > My question: what, technically, prevents me from copying the booting > > software instead to /sbin and booting the system that way? > Nothing

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> > If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The default > > installation (no use-flags or optional modules) will product an > > initramfs that loads whatever you current rootfs and /usr partitions are. > > > > I've been working on updating the wiki with more detailed > > instructions;

Re: [gentoo-user] After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:02:02AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: > >> There's nothing wrong with that, as long as you can ensure that any >> hard-coded paths to those binaries are updated properly. > > Surely this is the same, whether one co

Re: [gentoo-user] problem with e2fsck and the pre mount of /usr

2012-03-27 Thread Doug Hunley
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:23, wrote: > Hi.  I upgraded genkernel and openrc to see what would happen with the > initrd mounting /usr -- since I use an initrd anyway. > > Well, it mounts OK, but when it comes time to do the e2fsck, that fails > because its mounted.  Is there a way to get the init

Re: [gentoo-user] After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start to > > realize that the idea of "tiny partition that contains just what I > > need to boot and mount /usr" is becoming "not so tiny" anymore. The > > distinction between wh

[gentoo-user] Re: hylafax+

2012-03-27 Thread James
Joseph gmail.com> writes: > I need this application so I installed one via layman paddymac "hylafax+" > however the init script did wasn't install. > How to write the init script for this hylafax+? As way pointed out, you will most like become the maintainer so: Here are a few links that may h

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread covici
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:30:41 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > > > If we're going to be shoved into tight space like this, I'd be nice if > > the "you can just use $x" tools work on stable. I've got three > > previously-working systems at home I can't risk rebooting right now >

RE: [gentoo-user] After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:27 AM > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:02:02AM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: > > > From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:37 AM > > > > My question: what, technically, prevents me

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: >>> If this is all you need, I recommend you use dracut. The default >>> installation (no use-flags or optional modules) will product an >>> initramfs that loads whatever you current rootfs and /usr partitions are. >>> >>> I've been working on updating the wiki with more detai

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:20:44 -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > With the latest genkernel, my initrd mounts /usr, however the fsck is > never done because its mounted -- any solution for this? ISTR this coming up recently and the solution being to run fsck from the shutdown runlevel. -- Nei

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Hampicke
> Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like > that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it > helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities > of current and future systems). But now I have to find time to learn > how to use Ge

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Michael Hampicke wrote: >> Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like >> that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it >> helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities >> of current and future

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Michael Hampicke wrote: >> Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like >> that than genkernel (I very much like building my own kernels; it >> helps me keep things lean, and keeps me familiar with the capabilities >> of current and future systems). But now I have to find t

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dale wrote: > Michael Hampicke wrote: >> >> I don't understand why people always say that they hate genkernel >> because they like to build the kernel on their own. You still can do >> this with genkernel. I've been doing it for years. > > > I tried genkernel and

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] > Mike Edenfield wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that a stable Dracut is a prerequisite for a stable > > udev-182+. Hopefully with more people taking interest in using an > > initramfs it will stabilize quickly. It's working for me on all of the > > systems I

[gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread che
Neil Bothwick writes: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> > As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start to >> > realize that the idea of "tiny partition that contains just what I >> > need to boot and mount /usr" is becoming "not so tiny" anymore.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hylafax+

2012-03-27 Thread Joseph
On 03/27/12 14:47, James wrote: Joseph gmail.com> writes: I need this application so I installed one via layman paddymac "hylafax+" however the init script did wasn't install. How to write the init script for this hylafax+? As way pointed out, you will most like become the maintainer so: He

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: >> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] > >> Mike Edenfield wrote: > >>> I'm pretty sure that a stable Dracut is a prerequisite for a stable >>> udev-182+. Hopefully with more people taking interest in using an >>> initramfs it will stabilize quickly. It's working for me

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:55:37 +0200 c...@chrekh.se wrote: > Neil Bothwick writes: > > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > > >> > As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start > >> > to realize that the idea of "tiny partition that contains just > >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Sebastian Beßler
On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: > May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less manpower. And if this issue with a init-thingy bothers you, Kubuntu will be living

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: c...@chrekh.se [mailto:c...@chrekh.se] > > Neil Bothwick writes: > > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > > >> > As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start to > >> > realize that the idea of "tiny partition that contains just what I > >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Sebastian Beßler wrote: > On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: >> May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. > > Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of > the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less > manpower. And if this issue with a init-thingy

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:09:23 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > copy old config > > make oldconfig > > make all && make modules_install > > copy kernel to /boot make all modules_install install does everything the last two lines do in a single command. > > > > That to me seems a LOT easier and it als

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:30:41 -0500, Dale wrote: > The other way around. When I boot using the init thingy, if I login as > a user, dale in this case, I can not su to root. I think the error was > something like authentication failed or something to that effect. > > I can reboot the exact same k

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dale wrote: > Sebastian Beßler wrote: >> On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: >>> May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. >> >> Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of >> the Ubuntu family anymore. That means much less money and much less

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Dale wrote: >> Michael Hampicke wrote: > >>> >>> I don't understand why people always say that they hate genkernel >>> because they like to build the kernel on their own. You still can do >>> this with genkernel. I've been doing it for years.

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale wrote:  Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either > switch to another distro Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devil you don't know... I don't understand why any of this /usr /udev stuff is bothering you. Do you

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Dale wrote: >> Sebastian Beßler wrote: >>> On 27.03.2012 20:30, Dale wrote: May be trying Kubuntu here pretty soon. >>> >>> Be prepared for hard times using Kubuntu as it is now no major part of >>> the Ubuntu family anymore. That means mu

[gentoo-user] WARNING latest lvm2 breaks systems with older udev

2012-03-27 Thread Allan Gottlieb
My system wouldn't fully boot this morning after updating lvm (~amd64). Fortunately a mount -a followed by emerge -1 lvm2-previous version has be back in business (with the new lvm2 masked). I subsequently found the bug below. allan ==

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale wrote: > I like, even love, Gentoo.  Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't > work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it.  If I > wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap. > Hey, it does install fairly fast but it

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk] > Yes it is, I now I used to waste my time like that. Now I have a config file that > lists what needs to go into the initramfs and the kernel build automatically > pulls everything in for me. The only other thing I need is the init script. So I >

RE: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] > Thing is, I can't get dracut to boot a system as I use it. See my other post. > Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another > distro, hope someone figures out why dracut isn't working or just move > everything to / an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Mike. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 03:56:01PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: > > From: c...@chrekh.se [mailto:c...@chrekh.se] > > Neil Bothwick writes: > > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:26:46 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > >> > As you move more and more software off of /usr into / you start to > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:20:45 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: > > From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk] > > > Yes it is, I now I used to waste my time like that. Now I have a > > config > file that > > lists what needs to go into the initramfs and the kernel build > automatically > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to copy > (not move) booting software to /sbin instead of an initramfs - the exact > same programs, modulo noise - to have the SW in /sbin necessary to mount > /usr. Your p

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale wrote: > >> I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't >> work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it. If I >> wanted a OS that doesn't work well for me, I'd be buying M$'s crap. >> Hey, it does

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 + Alan Mackenzie wrote: > That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to > copy (not move) booting software to /sbin instead of an initramfs - > the exact same programs, modulo noise - to have the SW in /sbin > necessary to mount /usr. Two wo

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500 Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale wrote: > > > >> I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it > >> doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using > >> it. If I wanted a OS that doesn'

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale wrote: > > Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either >> switch to another distro > > > Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devil you > don't know... > > I don't understand why any of this /us

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mike Edenfield wrote: >> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] > >> Thing is, I can't get dracut to boot a system as I use it. See my other >> post. >> Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another >> distro, hope someone figures out why dracut isn't working o

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale wrote: > > Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no > idea how to fix it.  None at all. I understand. My question is why are you even using the initrd? There's no requirement to use it today, at least on stable. There's not ev

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Neil. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:41:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to copy > > (not move) booting software to /sbin instead of an initramfs - the exact > > sam

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale wrote: > > > > Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either > >> switch to another distro > > > > > > Just remember, with distros it's the device you know for the devi

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Dale wrote: >>> I like, even love, Gentoo. Thing is, if it gets to where it doesn't work like it should for me, there's no point in me using it.

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale wrote: >>> >>> Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either switch to another distro >>> >>> >>> Just remember, with distros it's the d

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale wrote: > >> >> Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no >> idea how to fix it. None at all. > > I understand. My question is why are you even using the initrd? > There's no requirement to use it today, at

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Alan. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 + > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to > > copy (not move) booting software to /sbin instead of an initramfs - > > the exact same

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:01:28 + Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Neil. > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:41:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > > > That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was > > > to copy (not mo

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:06 -0500 Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 > > Dale wrote: > > > >> Mark Knecht wrote: > >>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale > >>> wrote: > >>> Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is and either > switch to

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dale wrote: >> >>> >>> Right now, if Gentoo fails to boot because of the init thingy, I have no >>> idea how to fix it.  None at all. >> >> I understand. My question is why are you even using th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:01:28 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Your package manager only knows about the copy in the original > > location. > > So? The same applies to a copy in the initramfs. No it does not. the initramfs is built using the versions installed on your system, and unloaded as s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:35:44 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Why is nobody else on this thread willing to take up its main point, the > exact equivalence between the known, ugly, initramfs solution and the as > yet half-baked idea of putting the same binaries into /sbin? Bewause everyone else real

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:35:44 + Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, Alan. > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 + > > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > > > That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was > > > to copy (not m

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500, Dale wrote: > That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly > isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall > and not format /home. That's why ${DEITY} gave us backups: no need to reinstall just roll back to t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello again, Alan. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:39:27AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:01:28 + > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hello, Neil. > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:41:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:43:38 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> That's why I want something that I can install fast. Gentoo certainly >> isn't the right choice for that. If Kubuntu fails, I can just reinstall >> and not format /home. > > That's why ${DEITY} gave us backups: no need

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:06 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:30 -0500 >>> Dale wrote: >>> Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Dale > wrote: > Right now, my plan is to mask udev at what it is

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread David W Noon
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] >> Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no >> longer a problem. Sorted. And /var ?? > But what about using LVM? People was all for me u

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread Dale
David W Noon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:28:17 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] > InitRAMFS - boot expert sought: > >> Alan McKinnon wrote: > [snip] >>> Everything you fear about udev instantly ceases to exist and is no >>> longer a problem. Sorted. > > And /var ?? > >> But what abo

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread William Kenworthy
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 18:18 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote: > > Dracut is masked on ~amd64. Bugs me, as I'd rather use something like > > I love genkernel, it just makes life so much easier, you don't have > enter every command manually. And still keeps it the gentoo-way: you can > configure e

[gentoo-user] Getting better logging for genkernel/initramfs stage

2012-03-27 Thread William Kenworthy
Is it possible to get an initramfs from genkernel to log its messages somewhere as well as the console? - I am getting a failure to mount /usr and from the few seconds the error message is on the the screen I cant see why as the parameters it prints look good, so I am looking for a way to go back

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Mike Edenfield
> From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de] > > Hi, Alan. > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 + > > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > > > That is precisely what the question was NOT about. The idea was to > > > copy (not move) booting

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: >> From: Alan Mackenzie [mailto:a...@muc.de] >> >> Hi, Alan. >> >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:24:22 + >> > Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> >> > > That is precisely what the questio

Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought

2012-03-27 Thread du yang
On Tuesday 03/27/12 21:19:00 CST, Mike Edenfield wrote: > On 3/27/2012 6:36 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been looking for simple method to create a simple > > initramfs to just mount the /usr partition. > > > > I've found > > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_initramfs_used_to_ch

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 28, 2012 11:27 AM, "Mike Edenfield" wrote: > > > Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered "ugly" > except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague, unarticulated > grounds. Check out the email from William Kenworth in this mailing list; he's having trouble w

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: After /usr conflation: why not copy booting software to /sbin rather than initramfs?

2012-03-27 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 28, 2012 1:17 PM, "Pandu Poluan" wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2012 11:27 AM, "Mike Edenfield" wrote: > > > > > > Well, for one, the initramfs solution is not generally considered "ugly" > > except by a select vocal few who object to it on vague, unarticulated > > grounds. > > Check out the emai