Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2010 12:24:58 Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2010 05:54:40 Dale wrote: According to the mobo manual, if I enable AHCI, it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-12-15, Andrea Conti wrote: >>> E-SATA != SATA >> >> Nah. They are *exactly* the same. > > Not according to Wikipedia -- it says the electrical specs for eSATA > are different than the specs for "normal" SATA.  I've seen that st

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 11:58:13 Mark Knecht wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Grant Edwards > > wrote: > > On 2010-12-15, Andrea Conti wrote: > >>> E-SATA != SATA > >> > >> Nah. They are *exactly* the same. > > > > Not according to Wikipedia -- it says the electrical specs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> >> The logic and timing of the signals on SATA and eSATA cables is >> (TTBOMK) intended to be identical. What those signals look like at >> different places in the cable chain will be different. >> >> - Mark > > and you have sources

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 12:41:51 Mark Knecht wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann > wrote: > > > >> The logic and timing of the signals on SATA and eSATA cables is > >> (TTBOMK) intended to be identical. What those signals look like at > >> different places in th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:02 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: > and where do you get that internal ports can't do hotplug? He never said that. Here's what he did say: 1) Internal SATA drives are at the end of a single cable and don't require hot-plu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 23:02 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, Volker > Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: > >> and where do you get that internal ports can't do hotplug? > > He never said that. Here's what he did say: > > 1) Internal SATA

Re: !! SOLVED !! Re: [gentoo-user] New monitor problems. < sighs >

2010-12-15 Thread Adam Carter
> >> > > I went back and looked at the nvidia driver guide on gentoo.org. There is > no mention of nvidia needing that. Should I tell the doc team so they can > mention that for others or is my machine a little unique? Since someone > else ran into it on the link you posted, it may be something

Re: [gentoo-user] About interpreting output of df -h

2010-12-15 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > Can anyone tell me how determine what these kind of useless names > really mean? > > From df -h > Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on > rootfs                1.9G  283M  1.6G  15% / > /dev/root             1.9G  283M  1.6G  1

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread James Wall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/10 12:28, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Dale [10-12-14 18:56]: >> meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: >>> Hi Dale, >>> >>> as I know, the hd hardware can't nearly as fast as the bus speed >>> regardless whether it is 6GB/s or 3GB/s. >>> Quickly doing t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Weird (?) permission problem...

2010-12-15 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 16 December 2010 01:01:27 walt wrote: > Every new generation of unix users *must* read it. I get very tired of people telling me what to do. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Stroller
On 15/12/2010, at 4:59pm, Andrea Conti wrote: >>> The SATA spec allows for hot plugging, so technically yes ... >> My recollection of my understanding (multiple disclaimers) was that SATA >> *allowed* for SATA hot-plugging but didn't *mandate* it. > > ... > We have quite a number of software RAI

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Stroller
On 15/12/2010, at 7:58pm, Mark Knecht wrote: > ... > 1) Internal SATA drives are at the end of a single cable and don't > require hot-plugging logic be built into the SATA port driver on the > SATA controller because they are always powered up. (They are inside > the case) I'm not sure this is th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Stroller
On 15/12/2010, at 7:35pm, Grant Edwards wrote: > ... > Not according to Wikipedia ... I believe the Wikipedia page. I would be really pretty cautious about that, dude. Out of a need to "contribute" I have spend quite a few hours in the last year editing wikipedia articles, and paying more atten

Re: !! SOLVED !! Re: [gentoo-user] New monitor problems. < sighs>

2010-12-15 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday 15 December 2010 20:35:15 Dale wrote: > Paul Hartman wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Peter Humphrey > > > > wrote: > >> On Wednesday 15 December 2010 13:33:03 J. Roeleveld wrote: > >>> Not sure how much memory you have, but a 6Gig ramdisk mounted at > >>> /var/tmp/portag

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Weird (?) permission problem...

2010-12-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 03:33 on Thursday 16 December 2010, Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: > On Thursday 16 December 2010 01:01:27 walt wrote: > > Every new generation of unix users *must* read it. > > I get very tired of people telling me what to do. Then don't read it but where else

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:46 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, Mark Knecht did opine thusly: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Apparently, though unproven, at 23:02 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, > > Volker > > > > Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: > >> and where

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about SATA and hot plugging.

2010-12-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 08:23 on Thursday 16 December 2010, Stroller did opine thusly: > On 15/12/2010, at 7:35pm, Grant Edwards wrote: > > ... > > Not according to Wikipedia ... I believe the Wikipedia page. > > I would be really pretty cautious about that, dude. > > Out of a need to "

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