Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:14:52 -0700, walt wrote: > On 09/29/2010 03:40 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > > Hi all users, > > we hope to be able to provide a better experience for all of you at > > the end of this (bumpy) journey. > > > > Thanks! It's good to have direct communication from devs, e

Re: [gentoo-user] Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:40:06 +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Secondly, you can avoid any future requirement for this by sanitising > the newly installed .la files; this can be done either by using the > (currently testing) Portage 2.1.9 series, or by adding the following > snippet to your /etc/

[gentoo-user] export/import kdemail

2010-09-30 Thread Paul Stear
Is it possible to copy the kmail mail folders/messages so that they can be read by opera's mail client? Thanks for any replies Paul -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

[gentoo-user] firefox-bin optimizations?

2010-09-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Heya, I noticed that my firefox-bin is a lot smaller in memory footprint compared to ordinary gentoo-compiled firefox. Does anyone know what compiler flags upstream applies to their firefox? I turned off the custom-optimization USE on mine assuming that it would follow upstream optimizations, but

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread covici
walt wrote: > On 09/29/2010 03:40 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > > Hi all users, > > we hope to be able to provide a better experience for all of you at > > the end of this (bumpy) journey. > > > > Thanks! > > On behalf of the Geriatric Gentoo Users Group I say, "No, please, allow us to > than

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge python-updater -> raise InvalidAtom(self)

2010-09-30 Thread Al
1006. >> >> How can I clean this up? > > IIRC repo names must be single strings without spaces. > What a self destructive idea of me to use whitspaces. Thanks, I changed that. I started the whole bootstrapping skript from the beginning. So I this doesn't confirm, if it was the real reason. Al

[gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread Adam Carter
Taring my mp3 collection from 2.5in 500MB internal sata drive (sda) to esata 3.5in 500MB drive (sdb) and it seems slow. In vmstat i can see that the external drive writes faster than the internal can read (external has periods of inactivity) # time tar cf /mnt/usbdrive/mp3back.tar mp3/ real10m

Re: [gentoo-user] export/import kdemail

2010-09-30 Thread Mick
On 30 September 2010 09:58, Paul Stear wrote: > Is it possible to copy the kmail mail folders/messages so that they can be > read by opera's mail client? Yes and there's different ways to go about it: If you chose back then to have your kmail storing messages in maildir format you can: Right cl

Re: [gentoo-user] firefox-bin optimizations?

2010-09-30 Thread Johannes Kimmel
On 09/30/2010 12:58 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Heya, I noticed that my firefox-bin is a lot smaller in memory footprint compared to ordinary gentoo-compiled firefox. Does anyone know what compiler flags upstream applies to their firefox? I turned off the custom-optimization USE on mine assumin

Re: [gentoo-user] firefox-bin optimizations?

2010-09-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Johannes Kimmel wrote: > On 09/30/2010 12:58 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> >> Heya, >> I noticed that my firefox-bin is a lot smaller in memory footprint >> compared to ordinary gentoo-compiled firefox. >> >> Does anyone know what compiler flags upstream applies

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread Florian Philipp
Am Donnerstag 30 September 2010, 12:58:36 schrieb Adam Carter: > Taring my mp3 collection from 2.5in 500MB internal sata drive (sda) to > esata 3.5in 500MB drive (sdb) and it seems slow. In vmstat i can see that > the external drive writes faster than the internal can read (external has > periods o

[gentoo-user] Re: Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread James
Adam Carter gmail.com> writes: > Taring my mp3 collection from 2.5in 500MB internal sata drive > (sda) to esata 3.5in 500MB drive (sdb) and it seems slow. Well, there are multiple avenues to nail down your specific issues, most documented or hinted at in the archives of this list. Here

[gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno gio, 30/09/2010 alle 09.55 +0100, Neil Bothwick ha scritto: > I find this part a little confusing. Are you saying to add the > function > to bashrc if you are not using portage 2.1.9? How about those of us > using > 2.2? > 2.2 series also got the same feature, but I don't remember since

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 30 September 2010 09:53:40 Neil Bothwick wrote: > Hey, how do I join GGUG? You're too old, Neil. Same as me. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

[gentoo-user] Re: How to compile for less bits :)

2010-09-30 Thread James
Jacob Todd gmail.com> writes: > Cross compiling on unix is confusing because the compiler sucks. (hmmm, nope you are wrong, and statements like that will get you little helpimho http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/ Some wizards of cross_compiling hang out on gentoo-embedde

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:47:10 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Hey, how do I join GGUG? > > You're too old, Neil. Same as me. In that case, I'll declare myself a member of the other GGUG, Grumpy Gentoo User Group. -- Neil Bothwick Micro-: (prefix) anything both very small and very expensive

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:31:57 +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > > I find this part a little confusing. Are you saying to add the > > function > > to bashrc if you are not using portage 2.1.9? How about those of us > > using > > 2.2? > > > 2.2 series also got the same feature, but I don't rememb

[gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
Il giorno gio, 30/09/2010 alle 16.10 +0100, Neil Bothwick ha scritto: > > > 2.2 series also got the same feature, but I don't remember since > which > > rc… the latest masked version is definitely fine though. > > Does that mean I shouldn't have to run lafilefixer as it run > automatically on ne

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 30 September 2010 14:10:42 Florian Philipp wrote: > An HDD gets slower when you read the inner tracks. The angular > velocity is constant (5400 RPM) while the tangential velocity gets > lower with the radius. Are you telling us that the length of a stored bit is constant? I'd have t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 30 September 2010 16:08:25 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:47:10 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > Hey, how do I join GGUG? > > > > You're too old, Neil. Same as me. > > In that case, I'll declare myself a member of the other GGUG, Grumpy > Gentoo User Group. Is member

[gentoo-user] Re: Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/30/2010 07:00 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 30 September 2010 14:10:42 Florian Philipp wrote: An HDD gets slower when you read the inner tracks. The angular velocity is constant (5400 RPM) while the tangential velocity gets lower with the radius. Are you telling us that the len

[gentoo-user] ~40 new perl-related ebuilds, why???

2010-09-30 Thread Jarry
Now this really scared me: I just updated portage tree and checked if there are some updates to install. To my surprise a huge list came with ~40 new ebuilds: # emerge --pretend --update --deep --newuse world These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... d

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > Il giorno gio, 30/09/2010 alle 16.10 +0100, Neil Bothwick ha scritto: >> >> > 2.2 series also got the same feature, but I don't remember since >> which >> > rc… the latest masked version is definitely fine though. >> >> Does that mean I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to compile for less bits :)

2010-09-30 Thread Hazen Valliant-Saunders
Although we understand your frustration we do not sympathyse becasue we've all had to learn it. No it's not a checkbox it's a complie time option; and should be passed when you compile your code. like "ls -alh" GCC only looks difficult because you are new and have not used many other compilers;

Re: [gentoo-user] ~40 new perl-related ebuilds, why???

2010-09-30 Thread Willie Wong
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 06:20:54PM +0200, Jarry wrote: > # emerge --pretend --update --deep --newuse world > > [ebuild N] perl-core/Module-Build-0.36.07 > [ebuild N] virtual/perl-Module-Build-0.36.07 > [ebuild N] dev-perl/Error-0.17.016 USE="-test" > [ebuild N] dev-vcs/git-

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 30.09.2010 18:00, schrieb Peter Humphrey: > On Thursday 30 September 2010 14:10:42 Florian Philipp wrote: > >> An HDD gets slower when you read the inner tracks. The angular >> velocity is constant (5400 RPM) while the tangential velocity gets >> lower with the radius. > > Are you telling us

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Thursday 30 September 2010, Adam Carter wrote: > Taring my mp3 collection from 2.5in 500MB internal sata drive (sda) to > esata 3.5in 500MB drive (sdb) and it seems slow. In vmstat i can see that > the external drive writes faster than the internal can read (external has > periods of inactivity)

[gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I wouldn't swear to that). For example, look at this page: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=1&chap=2 The normal text paragraphs have lines

Re: [gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Thursday 30 September 2010, Grant Edwards wrote: > > That has lines that average about 140 characters. That's still much > longer than what I'd consider good practice. I am counting 105. > > Do the extremely long lines in the handbook web pages bother anybody > else? not me. Not with kon

[gentoo-user] Gentoo in chroot on s390

2010-09-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Hi folks, I've got some RHEL instance on an z/VM (s390) and like to get Gentoo running in chroot. Did anyone already do that ? Or any HOWTO ? thx -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ phone: +49 3

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Thursday 30 September 2010, Grant Edwards wrote: > > >> >> That has lines that average about 140 characters. That's still much >> longer than what I'd consider good practice. > > I am counting 105. >> Do the extremely long lines in the handbook we

Re: [gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Darren Kirby
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > > I can understand that things like example code blocks or sample > command input/output blocks might need to be wide enough to require > horizontal scrolling of a browser window, but normal text paragraphs > with 160 characters per line?

Re: [gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Al
Hi Grant, I can only confirm this. Long lines are difficult to focus, so they are tiresome to read. For this reason typical newspapers have small columns. Personally I even prefer to read ebooks on the very small display of a mobile phone. Al

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:01:14 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > In that case, I'll declare myself a member of the other GGUG, Grumpy > > Gentoo User Group. > > Is membership open to Grumpy Old Gentoo Users like me as well? Membership is open to anyone proud to admit to being a member :) -- Ne

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:25:57 +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > > Does that mean I shouldn't have to run lafilefixer as it runs > > automatically on new installs? > > You should still run it once, to make sure that the system is clean, but > you can forget about it afterwards, and even unmerge

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Darren Kirby wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Grant Edwards > wrote: > >> >> I can understand that things like example code blocks or sample >> command input/output blocks might need to be wide enough to require >> horizontal scrolling of a browser window, but normal text

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Al wrote: > I can only confirm this. Long lines are difficult to focus, so they > are tiresome to read. And when you have to scroll the window back-and-forth for each line, it makes you want to scream. > For this reason typical newspapers have small columns. Personally I > even p

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 09/30/2010 08:13 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I wouldn't swear to that). For example, look at this page: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:25:57 +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > >> > Does that mean I shouldn't have to run lafilefixer as it runs >> > automatically on new installs? >> >> You should still run it once, to make sure that the system is clean,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Darren Kirby
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > > I'm using firefox, and the text doesn't reformat for me.  I just end > up with a change in the size of the horizontal scrollbar.  Are you > sure you're looking at the same pages I was talking about? > >  http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handb

Re: [gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are > ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I > wouldn't swear to that). > > For example, look at this page: > >  http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embed

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-09-30, Darren Kirby wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Grant Edwards >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I can understand that things like example code blocks or sample >>> command input/output blocks might need to be wide enough to require >>> horizontal s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-09-30, Darren Kirby wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: I can understand that things like example code blocks or sample command input/output blocks might need to be wide enough to require horizontal scrolling of a browser wind

Re: [gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Darren Kirby
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Grant Edwards > wrote: >> I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are >> ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I >> wouldn't swear to that). >> >> For example, l

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Darren Kirby wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Grant Edwards > wrote: > >> >> I'm using firefox, and the text doesn't reformat for me. ?I just end >> up with a change in the size of the horizontal scrollbar. ?Are you >> sure you're looking at the same pages I was talking ab

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Grant Edwards > wrote: >> I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are >> ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I >> wouldn't swear to that). >> >> For example, look at this page: >>

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Darren Kirby wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Grant Edwards >> wrote: >>> I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are >>> ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I >>> wo

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Dale wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2010-09-30, Darren Kirby wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Grant Edwards >>> wrote: >>> >>> I can understand that things like example code blocks or sample command input/output blocks might need to be wide

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Darren Kirby
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> Do you have some custom css stylesheets that override the default or >> something? > > Nope.  Not that I know of.  I presume I'd have to do something I'd > likely remember? > Yes, you would definitely remember if you did it... Anyway, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:01:14 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: In that case, I'll declare myself a member of the other GGUG, Grumpy Gentoo User Group. Is membership open to Grumpy Old Gentoo Users like me as well? Membership is open to anyone proud to admit t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-09-30, Dale wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-09-30, Darren Kirby wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: I can understand that things like example code blocks or sample command input/output blocks might

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo in chroot on s390

2010-09-30 Thread Robin Atwood
On Thursday 30 September 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > Hi folks, > > > I've got some RHEL instance on an z/VM (s390) and like to get > Gentoo running in chroot. Did anyone already do that ? > Or any HOWTO ? Me, some time ago. :) Have a look at http://www.binro.org/gentoo-2008.6-s390x-unofficial

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Darren Kirby wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Grant Edwards > wrote: > >>> Do you have some custom css stylesheets that override the default or >>> something? >> >> Nope. Not that I know of. I presume I'd have to do something I'd >> likely remember > > Yes, you would defin

[gentoo-user] Re: firefox-bin optimizations?

2010-09-30 Thread walt
On 09/30/2010 05:30 AM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Johannes Kimmel wrote: On 09/30/2010 12:58 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Heya, I noticed that my firefox-bin is a lot smaller in memory footprint compared to ordinary gentoo-compiled firefox. Does anyone know wh

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Dale wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=1&chap=2 >>> This one has a horizontal scrollbar but only adjust about a half inch or >>> so. It almost fits. >>> >> Are the text paragraphs re-wrapped

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: << SNIP >> Whatever's generating the HTML/CSS for the Gentoo manual web pages does know the difference, and should be able to do The Right Thing(tm). The manual HTML is definitely machine-generated, but I can't tell you by what at this point, so I can't offer a specific fix..

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Dale wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: >> << SNIP >> >> Whatever's generating the HTML/CSS for the Gentoo manual web pages >> does know the difference, and should be able to do The Right >> Thing(tm). The manual HTML is definitely machine-generated, but I >> can't tell you by what at th

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Edward, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-09-30, Darren Kirby wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Grant Edwards >> wrote: >> Do you have some custom css stylesheets that override the default or something? >>> >>> Nope. Not that I know of. I presume I'd have to do something I'd

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: firefox-bin optimizations?

2010-09-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:37 AM, walt wrote: > On 09/30/2010 05:30 AM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Johannes Kimmel >>  wrote: >>> >>> On 09/30/2010 12:58 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Heya, I noticed that my firefox-bin is a lot smaller in memory fo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-09-30, Dale wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: << SNIP>> Whatever's generating the HTML/CSS for the Gentoo manual web pages does know the difference, and should be able to do The Right Thing(tm). The manual HTML is definitely machine-generated, but I can't tell

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, J??rg Schaible wrote: >> I could reduce the minimum size of my "fixed" font, but that only >> helps until the next web page comes along with an even wider code >> block. > > Try a different fixed font. At the end I've chosen "Monotype", > because it seems to have the narrowest well

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, J??rg Schaible wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: >>> playing around here a bit more and you are correct, the text will >>> only reformat to the width of the longest code block before the >>> horizontal scroll appears. On the "Creating a Cross-Compiler" page >>> you linked to the longes

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 30 September 2010 17:50:41 Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 30.09.2010 18:00, schrieb Peter Humphrey: > > On Thursday 30 September 2010 14:10:42 Florian Philipp wrote: > >> An HDD gets slower when you read the inner tracks. The angular > >> velocity is constant (5400 RPM) while the tangenti

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 30 September 2010 19:30:04 Mark Knecht wrote: > GGUG +1 > GOGUG +1 Time to set up an e-mail list? -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Jacob Todd
They're readable even on my droid x. On Sep 30, 2010 1:15 PM, "Grant Edwards" wrote: > I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are > ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I > wouldn't swear to that). > > For example, look at this page: > > http://www

[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-09-30, Jacob Todd wrote: >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=1&chap=2 >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1 > They're readable even on my droid x. Really? You don't have to scroll back-and-forth to see an entire line of text? -- G

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Jacob Todd
Not if I rotate the screen. On Sep 30, 2010 7:17 PM, "Grant Edwards" wrote: > On 2010-09-30, Jacob Todd wrote: > >>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=1&chap=2 >>> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1 > >> They're readable even on my droid x. > >

[gentoo-user] Re: Notice: possible past, present and future breakage related to .la files

2010-09-30 Thread walt
On 09/30/2010 11:13 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: I consider most uses of emerge -e world as the Gentoo equivalent of a Windows reinstall. You are obviously already a member of the Geriatric Gentoo Users Group, but perhaps you just forgot about it. I certainly did.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Dale
Top posting because Jacob had too. ;-) I have only seen those things on TV but it's hard to figure how something can fit on that little thing and won't fit on my 19" monitor that runs 1280x1024. You must have some pretty small fonts or something. Dale :-) :-) Jacob Todd wrote: Not if

[gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-09-30 Thread Darren Kirby
Hello all, Getting very frustrated here. Trying to put the finishing touches on a new laptop install. I have verified using the CLI that both wired and wireless networking works fine when I configure manually. As with most laptops, I would imagine, I will be switching locations often, and switchin

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-09-30 Thread Jacob Todd
Just the default android fonts. They're small, but readable. Thank google for pinch zoom. :p

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread Adam Carter
> Your harddisk seeks, everything is slow. > > So does that then mean that my options are; 1. Defragment, so there is less seeking 2. Get an SSD Since 2 is too expensive for a decent size drive, is there anything i can do about 1 without a backup and restore operation? Or will the fragmentation be

Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-09-30 Thread Bill Kenworthy
Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work nicely with third party tools without a lot of work. My fix was to manually configure each location (and a couple of general ones such as wifi hotspot, and basic wired dhcp) as I came across them and copy the resulting config fil

Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-09-30 Thread Darren Kirby
Hey Bill, On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work > nicely with third party tools without a lot of work. > > My fix was to manually configure each location (and a couple of general > ones such as wifi hotspot, a

Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-09-30 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Darren Kirby wrote: [...] > I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try > nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require > installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the > whole works and use Wicd? I do

[gentoo-user] Problem with Having two Network Cards in System ...

2010-09-30 Thread Christopher Koeber
Hello, I have a system with two network cards. The cards are configured for DHCP for two separate networks and they get their respective IP addresses from the different DCHP servers. The problem is that the network access on either network is sporatic at best. The networks are as follows: First,

Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-09-30 Thread Bill Kenworthy
No I am saying create a unique /etc/conf./net, hosts file, bind files, firewall files (shorewall in my case), /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and anything else that has a unique setup per site and put them together in another directory. I have tried putting everything in the net file in th

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with Having two Network Cards in System ...

2010-09-30 Thread Adam Carter
You need to break this down into the local (connected) networks, that is, the subnet that the NIC are in and remote networks, that is, networks that are reachable via ,say, the default gateway. My first guess is the the default route is flipping back and forth as each NIC gets its address renewal..

Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-09-30 Thread Darren Kirby
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Darren Kirby wrote: > [...] >> I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try >> nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require >> installing boatloads of gnome cra

[gentoo-user] [SOLVED]Re: NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-09-30 Thread Darren Kirby
Right, so I uninstalled nm-applet, NetworkManager and all that, emerged wicd, and bam...everything Just Worked. Going to stick with wicd for now. Thanks for the replys all... D -- Support the mob or mysteriously disappear... I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-09-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 01 October 2010, Adam Carter wrote: > > Your harddisk seeks, everything is slow. > > > > So does that then mean that my options are; > > 1. Defragment, so there is less seeking > 2. Get an SSD > > Since 2 is too expensive for a decent size drive, is there anything i can > do about 1 wi

Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-09-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
Dump NetworkManager. Use wicd. All these issues just GoAway(tm) with wicd > Hello all, > > Getting very frustrated here. Trying to put the finishing touches on a > new laptop install. I have verified using the CLI that both wired and > wireless networking works fine when I configure manually. As wi

Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-09-30 Thread Darren Kirby
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Dump NetworkManager. > Use wicd. > All these issues just GoAway(tm) with wicd Thanks Alan, I've just realized that. Wish I could get the last 10 hours back though :) D -- -- Support the mob or mysteriously disappear... I'm on flickr: http