Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X11 start breaks

2010-02-09 Thread ds
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, walt wrote: > On 12/14/2009 01:08 PM, GerhardosG wrote: >> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: line 61: xterm: command not found >> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc: line 62: exec: xterm: not found > >                                   ^^ > That last line is the prob

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Monday 08 February 2010 21:34:01 Paul Hartman wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Valmor de Almeida wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > [snip] > > > >>This has been helpful for me. I'm glad Valmor is getting better > >> results also. > > > > [snip] > > > > These 4k-sector drives can be

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:20:47PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote However, I'm now trying to get X up and running. "The X Server Configuration HOWTO", section 3. "Configuring Xorg" says: "Hal comes with many premade devi

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 00:20:47 Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, Gentoo! > > I've just got a sparkling new installation of Gentoo on my new PC. It > only took me ~5 hours, mainly because I'd already configured the kernel > in a trial run. :-) > > However, I'm now trying to get X up and running.

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > My solution to simplify Gentoo... > > waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask > sys-libs/pam > sys-apps/dbus > sys-apps/hal That's as much crippling as simplifying. You can do without pam and hal by setting appropriate USE flags

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Willie Wong
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:16:15AM -0600, Dale wrote: > Simpler than that, just add -hal to xorg stuff in package.use and then > run emerge -uvDNa world. It will rebuild a couple things, maybe even > just xorg, then everything is back to the old way. This allows hal to > be their for other thi

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 02:16:15AM -0600, Dale wrote: Simpler than that, just add -hal to xorg stuff in package.use and then run emerge -uvDNa world. It will rebuild a couple things, maybe even just xorg, then everything is

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Iain, On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 09:09:14AM +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:20 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > [snip to the crux:] > > Can this new-style fragmented XML configuration do anything that a > > good old-fashioned, human-readable and compact xorg.conf can't? If >

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:27:32 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplify Gentoo... waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask sys-libs/pam sys-apps/dbus sys-apps/hal That's as much crippling as simplifying. You can do w

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:34:01 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: Thanks for the info everyone, but do you understand the agony I am now suffering at the fact that all disk in my system (including all parts of my RAID5) are starting on sector 63 and I don'

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:43:12 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > > That's as much crippling as simplifying. You can do without pam and > > hal by setting appropriate USE flags (I run pam-free here by > > doing just that) but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to > > communicate with one anot

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:46:40 +, Stroller wrote: > > With the RAID, you could fail one disk, repartition, re-add it, > > rinse and > > repeat. But that doesn't take care of the time issue. > > Aren't you thinking of LVM, or something? No. The very nature of RAID is redundancy, so you could

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 09 Februar 2010, Stroller wrote: > On 9 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:34:01 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: > >> Thanks for the info everyone, but do you understand the agony I am > >> now > >> suffering at the fact that all disk in my system (including a

Re: [gentoo-user] Am I an Erasee ?

2010-02-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 09 Februar 2010, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to unsubscribe from this list, but the > mlmmj said, that I cannot unsubscribe since I am > not subscribed. Which isn't quite right as you > can see here. > I fear if I would subscribe now a second time and > unsubscr

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 13:46:40 Stroller wrote: > On 9 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:34:01 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: > >> Thanks for the info everyone, but do you understand the agony I am > >> now > >> suffering at the fact that all disk in my system (inc

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/8/2010 5:20 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: . Am I the only person that finds this semantic gibberish? Is there any explanation somewhere of what a "policy" aka "device rule" is? What is the semantic significance of a "device rule"? What does it mean, to "rule a device", or what sort of restr

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread roundyz
Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> Hi, Iain, >> >> On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 09:09:14AM +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: >> > On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 22:20 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> > [snip to the crux:] >> > > Can this new-style fragmented XML configuration do anything that a >> > > good old-fashioned, human

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:43:12 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > >> > That's as much crippling as simplifying. You can do without pam and >> > hal by setting appropriate USE flags (I run pam-free here by >> > doing just that) but D-Bus provides a st

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/9/2010 3:16 AM, Dale wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplify Gentoo... waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask sys-libs/pam sys-apps/dbus sys-apps/hal You'll have to do a manual depclean (very carefully) and revdep-rebuild, but it's wor

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 13:57, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... With Raid (NOT striping) you can remove one disk, leaving the Raid- array in a reduced state. Then repartition the disk you removed, repartition and then re- add the disk to the array. Exactly. Except the partitions extend, in the same posit

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 16:11:14 Stroller wrote: > On 9 Feb 2010, at 13:57, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > ... > > With Raid (NOT striping) you can remove one disk, leaving the Raid- > > array in a > > reduced state. Then repartition the disk you removed, repartition > > and then re- > > add the disk

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:11:14 +, Stroller wrote: > You cannot remove one disk from the array and repartition it, because > the partition is across the array, not the disk. The single disk, > removed from a RAID 5 (specified by Paul Hartman) array does not > contain any partitions, just one

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > > There's a few small downsides I've run into with all of this so far: > > 1) Since we don't use sector 63 it seems that fdisk will still tell > you that you can use 63 until you use up all your primary partitions. > It used to be easier to put

[gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Laurent Kappler
Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? thanks Laurent

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: > > 4) Everything I've done so far leave me with messages about partition > > 1 not ending on a cylinder boundary. Googling on that one says don't > > worry about it. I don't know... Well since only the start of a partition determines its a

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:45:20 +0100, Laurent Kappler wrote: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? thanks Laurent add this to your package.mask: ">=media-gfx/imagemagick-6.4.7.1" and then emerge imagemagick again

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 15:43, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:11:14 +, Stroller wrote: You cannot remove one disk from the array and repartition it, because the partition is across the array, not the disk. The single disk, removed from a RAID 5 (specified by Paul Hartman) array does

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Daniel Wagener
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:45:20 +0100 Laurent Kappler wrote: > Hi, > > I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in > portage is 6.5.7. > > How could I do that?? > > thanks > Laurent by using emerge "=ImageMagick-6.4.7.0" - if that version was in portage though, which is not,

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:45:20 +0100, Laurent Kappler wrote: > Hi, > > I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in > portage is 6.5.7. Go to http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/ browse to the package you want and select Show dead files. this gives all the obsoleted

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:34:01 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: > >> Thanks for the info everyone, but do you understand the agony I am now >> suffering at the fact that all disk in my system (including all parts >> of my RAID5) are starting on sector

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 15:27, J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tuesday 09 February 2010 16:11:14 Stroller wrote: On 9 Feb 2010, at 13:57, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... With Raid (NOT striping) you can remove one disk, leaving the Raid- array in a reduced state. Then repartition the disk you removed, repartition a

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Laurent Kappler wrote: > Hi, > > I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is > 6.5.7. > > How could I do that?? Here you can download ebuilds for all previous versions and then put it in your local overlay: http://sources.gentoo.or

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Kaddeh
try emerge =media-gfx/imagemagick-6.4.7.0 On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Laurent Kappler wrote: > Hi, > > I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is > 6.5.7. > > How could I do that?? > > thanks > Laurent > >

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 02/09/2010 06:45 PM, Laurent Kappler wrote: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? You can't, since the lowest version in portage is 6.5.2.9: $ eix imagemagick [I] media-gfx/imagemagick Available versions: 6.5.2

[gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Gentoo, The Subject: just about says it all; following the instructions in "The Xfce Configuration Guide", I did # emerge -avt xfce4-meta followed by $ echo "exec startxfce4" > ~/.xinitrc followed by $ startx. The X-server complained about not finding startxfce4. A quick fin

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Alex Schuster
Laurent Kappler writes: > I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in > portage is 6.5.7. > > How could I do that?? Look in the attic [*] for old ebuilds. Looks like 6.4.7.0 is not available, so maybe you will download 6.4.8.3 which is the nearest version. Put the ebuild

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Walker
Hey guys, There seems to be a lot of confusion over this RAID thing. Hardware RAID does not use partitions. The entire drive is used (or, actually, the amount defined in setting up the array) and all I/O is handled by the BIOS on the RAID controller. The array appears as a single drive to the OS

Re: [gentoo-user] When is a disk not a disk?

2010-02-09 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > Is this some sort of LVM thing creeping in? I don't use it but I see > signs of it starting to show up on my systems like something is making > it come in with new profiles or something. Some lvm tools/packages have replaced others that don't h

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread KH
Laurent Kappler schrieb: Hi, I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? thanks Laurent Hi, you will have to search for the source and an ebuild. I remember that there is a place where all (old) ebuils are saved, but I cannot

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > So sdb7 now ends at sector 976703935. Interestingly, I couldn’t use the > immediate next sector for sdb8: > start for sdb8   response by fdisk > 976703936        sector already allocated > 976703944        Value out of range. First secto

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Stroller wrote: > IMO this is a fdisk "bug". A feature should be added so that it tries to > align optimally in most circumstances. RAID controllers should not be trying > to do anything clever to accommodate potential misalignment unless it is > really cheap to do

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, Gentoo, > > The Subject: just about says it all; following the instructions in "The > Xfce Configuration Guide", I did > >    # emerge -avt xfce4-meta > > followed by > >    $ echo "exec startxfce4" > ~/.xinitrc > > followed by > >    $

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Laurent Kappler
Alex Schuster a écrit : Laurent Kappler writes: I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? Look in the attic [*] for old ebuilds. Looks like 6.4.7.0 is not available, so maybe you will download 6.4.8.3 which is the neare

[gentoo-user] Re: revdep-rebuild keeps reinstalling binutils

2010-02-09 Thread walt
On 02/08/2010 10:27 PM, Konstantinos Bekiaris wrote: What do you have in /etc/env.d/gcc/? I have this: #ls -l /etc/env.d/gcc/ total 16 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32 2010-02-08 11:53 config-i686-pc-linux-gnu -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 235 2009-01-29 12:33 i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils [ebuild R ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1 firefly ~ # On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: > firefly ~ # which startxfce4 > /usr/bin/startxfce4 > firefly ~ # equery belongs /usr/bin/startxfce4 > [ Searching for file(s) /

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 19:25:00 Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Stroller > wrote: > > > IMO this is a fdisk "bug". A feature should be added so that it tries to > > align optimally in most circumstances. RAID controllers should not be > > trying to do anything clever t

Slow list? (was: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version)

2010-02-09 Thread Alex Schuster
Wow, seven mostly similar answers. Is the list becoming slow? When I posted about an hour after the question was posted, there were no answers yet. Let's see how long this post takes to arrive. Usually it's just a matter of a few minutes. Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 19:03:39 Neil Walker wrote: > Hey guys, > > There seems to be a lot of confusion over this RAID thing. > > Hardware RAID does not use partitions. The entire drive is used (or, > actually, the amount defined in setting up the array) and all I/O is > handled by the BIOS

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread dhk
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> Hi, Gentoo, >> >> The Subject: just about says it all; following the instructions in "The >> Xfce Configuration Guide", I did >> >># emerge -avt xfce4-meta >> >> followed by >> >>$ echo "exec startxfce4" > ~/.xi

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Laurent Kappler
Alex Schuster a écrit : Laurent Kappler writes: I'm tryin to emerge ImageMagick version 6.4.7.0 while current in portage is 6.5.7. How could I do that?? Look in the attic [*] for old ebuilds. Looks like 6.4.7.0 is not available, so maybe you will download 6.4.8.3 which is the neare

[gentoo-user] Re: Slow list?

2010-02-09 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 02/09/2010 09:32 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: Wow, seven mostly similar answers. Is the list becoming slow? When I posted about an hour after the question was posted, there were no answers yet. Let's see how long this post takes to arrive. Usually it's just a matter of a few minutes. I noticed t

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:17:48 +, Stroller wrote: > only applies in the specific case that Paul Hartman is using Linux > software RAID, not the general case of RAID in general. That's true, although in the Linux world I expect that the number of software RAID users far outnumbers the hardware

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread Harry Putnam
Mark Knecht writes: > Possibly you installed something other than xfce4-meta? > > firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils > [ebuild R ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1 > firefly ~ # I'm just seconding fireflys' report. I suspect xfce4 expects you to be starting X from a system

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: > I have reset sdb7 to use boundaries divisible by 64. > Old rangebegin%64 size%64 New rangebegin%64 > size%64 813113973-976703804 0.82810.125813113984-976703935 0 >0 > > And guess what - the spe

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 22:13:39 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > When I use parted on the drives, it says (both the old external and my 2 > months old internal): > Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B > So no speedup for me then. :-/ > That doesn't mean a thing, I'm afraid. I have the 4KB d

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Dienstag, 9. Februar 2010 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: > >> I have reset sdb7 to use boundaries divisible by 64. >> Old range            begin%64  size%64  New range            begin%64 >> size%64 813113973-976703804  0.8281    0.125  

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 2/9/2010 3:16 AM, Dale wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplify Gentoo... waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask sys-libs/pam sys-apps/dbus sys-apps/hal You'll have to do

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge older version

2010-02-09 Thread Willie Wong
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 08:39:45PM +0100, Laurent Kappler wrote: > I'm using Haxe/Neko and we have a wrapper for ImageMagick, but as no one > did really use it often the last version is made for IM 6.4.7. > So I might download the ebuild 6.4.5 in a hurry, then we will update the > Haxe library.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -avt xfce4-meta; haven't got startxfce4. Help, please!

2010-02-09 Thread dhk
Harry Putnam wrote: > Mark Knecht writes: > >> Possibly you installed something other than xfce4-meta? >> >> firefly ~ # emerge -ep xfce4-meta | grep xfce | grep utils >> [ebuild R ] xfce-base/xfce-utils-4.6.1 >> firefly ~ # > > I'm just seconding fireflys' report. I suspect xfce4 expects y

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 08:47 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > I now only need to figure out the best way to configure LVM over this to get > the best performance from it. Does anyone know of a decent way of figuring > this out? > I got 6 disks in Raid-5. why LVM? Planning on changing partition size

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 13:34 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:46:40 +, Stroller wrote: > > > > With the RAID, you could fail one disk, repartition, re-add it, > > > rinse and > > > repeat. But that doesn't take care of the time issue. > > > > Aren't you thinking of LVM,

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 20:37 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > Don't get me started on those ;) > The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because: > 1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters > 2) It's generally faster then hardware fakeraid I'm starting to stray OT here, but I'm considering a second-han

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 18:03:39 Neil Walker wrote: > Be lucky, > > Neil How would I go about doing that? -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 14:54 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > When I use parted on the drives, it says (both the old external and my 2 > > months old internal): > > Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B > > So no speedup for me then. :-

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 09 February 2010 22:58:10 Dale wrote: > So, hal may be progress to you but it is a step backward for me. > It's the opposite of progress. Careful now, Dale. Watch that blood pressure... -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:58:10 +0100, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 2/9/2010 3:16 AM, Dale wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplify Gentoo... waltd...@d531 ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.mask sys-lib

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Tuesday 09 February 2010 22:58:10 Dale wrote: So, hal may be progress to you but it is a step backward for me. It's the opposite of progress. Careful now, Dale. Watch that blood pressure... Oh I'm fine. I a

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 23:52, Iain Buchanan wrote: ... I'm starting to stray OT here, but I'm considering a second-hand Adaptec 2420SA - this is real hardware raid right? Looks like it. Looks pretty nice, too. The affordable PCI / PCI-X 3wares don't do RAID6 - you have to go PCIe for that, I

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:02:50 Dale wrote: > Oh I'm fine. Thank Goodness! > Now to go watch NCIS. I won't ask what that is; I think I'd rather not know. -- Rgds Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 14:54 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > >> > When I use parted on the drives, it says (both the old external and my 2 >> > months old internal): >> > Sector size (

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Stroller
On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:37, J. Roeleveld wrote: ... Don't get me started on those ;) The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because: 1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters 2) It's generally faster then hardware fakeraid I'd rather have slow hardware RAID than fast software RAID. I'm not bein

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:58:10 +0100, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On 2/9/2010 3:16 AM, Dale wrote: On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:17:08 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: My solution to simplif

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:18:54 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:02:50 Dale wrote: Oh I'm fine. Thank Goodness! Now to go watch NCIS. I won't ask what that is; I think I'd rather not know. NCIS = Naval Criminal Investigative Service. It's good ;) I am w

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:18:54 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:02:50 Dale wrote: Oh I'm fine. Thank Goodness! Now to go watch NCIS. I won't ask what that is; I think I'd rather not know.

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread walt
On 02/09/2010 06:30 PM, Dale wrote: With all the things I have to deal with, hal is not even on the top 25 or so. > Heck, my puter doesn't even make that. You offer us a glimmer of hope, Dale. How did you push your computer problems below number 25? If it involves drugs, please publish a lis

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 13:34 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:46:40 +, Stroller wrote: > > > > With the RAID, you could fail one disk, repartition, re-add it, > > > > rinse and > > > > repeat. But that doesn't take care of

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Walker
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 09 February 2010 18:03:39 Neil Walker wrote: > > >> Be lucky, >> >> Neil >> > > How would I go about doing that? > Well, you need a rabbit's foot, a four leaf clover, a horseshoe (remember to keep the open end uppermost), a black cat, ;) Be

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Walker
Iain Buchanan wrote: > I'm starting to stray OT here, but I'm considering a second-hand Adaptec > 2420SA - this is real hardware raid right? > It's a PCI-X card (not PCI-E). Are you sure that's right for your system? > If I'm buying drives in the 1Tb size - does this 4k issue affect > hardware

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 17:27 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 14:54 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> Frank, > >>As best I can tell so far none of the Linux tools will tell you > >> that the sectors are 4K. I had to go to t

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 01:22:31 Iain Buchanan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 08:47 +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > I now only need to figure out the best way to configure LVM over this to > > get the best performance from it. Does anyone know of a decent way of > > figuring this out? > > I go

Re: [gentoo-user] 1-Terabyte drives - 4K sector sizes? -> bar performance so far

2010-02-09 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 07:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Iain Buchanan wrote: > > so long as you didn't have any non-detectable disk errors before > > removing the disk, or any drive failure while one of the drives were > > removed. And the deterioration in pe

Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?

2010-02-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 10 February 2010 03:29:50 Dale wrote: > Well, actually, if hal would have worked I wouldn't have cared if it > uses xorg.conf at all. That was the point of using hal. Thing is, I > followed the howto and it didn't work. The fact that the config files > are in xml only became a pr