Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-07 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Sun, Mar 06, 2022 at 09:53:20PM -0500 schrieb Philip Webb: > Thanks for all the replies so far : they have been carefully saved. > Clearly, I need to look up component specs on the I/net > & try to get upto-date with 2020s tech after 6,5 yr absence. > > I don't do gaming : SGT puzzles are eno

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-06 Thread Philip Webb
Thanks for all the replies so far : they have been carefully saved. Clearly, I need to look up component specs on the I/net & try to get upto-date with 2020s tech after 6,5 yr absence. I don't do gaming : SGT puzzles are enough for me. I use the HDD strictly for back-up + storage of infrequently

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-06 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 02:39:26PM -0500 schrieb Philip Webb: > After > 6 years , I'm planning to build a new machine ANB6. Ah, the endorphin rush of planning a new PC. :) My PC is now 7½ years old. I’m starting to think to upgrade its i5-4590 to a Ryzen, too. Was thinking of holding out for th

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-04 Thread Mark Knecht
> > > > > > 3.5" gives a lot more platter area. Pi-r-squared and all that. I couldn't > find anything larger than 1TB CMR in a 2.5" package from anyone, and those > were old stock. Seagate doesn't make *any* CMR 2.5" anymore, not even the > 500GB ones. > Even flash devices are going zoned it

RE: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-04 Thread Laurence Perkins
> > >-Original Message- >From: Wols Lists >Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 1:51 PM >To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome > >On 04/03/2022 21:18, Laurence Perkins wrote: >> I’d probably wait

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-04 Thread Wols Lists
On 04/03/2022 21:18, Laurence Perkins wrote: I’d probably wait another year for all the bugs to work their way out of the system before trying it on purpose, but if you have non-critical systems to play with, well, the SMR drives are rather a lot cheaper…  I got a few for one of my server chass

RE: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-04 Thread Laurence Perkins
, March 3, 2022 2:55 PM To: Gentoo User Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome Even of WD's official page for WD Reds, they are still advertised for RAID: https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-sata-hdd#WD20EFAX For instance : ● Reliab

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 2:11 PM Julien Roy wrote: > > The WD Reds are still marketted as RAID compatible to this day, despite the > fact that they are SMRs. > > Julien > 18 months ago WD put out this statement: https://blog.westerndigital.com/wd-red-nas-drives/ If by 'marketed' you mean Amazon

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 1:38 PM Dale wrote: > > Julien Roy wrote: > > This is exactly what happened to me. I unknowingly bought SMR drives > > (I didn't know the difference, but the drives were "RAID" rated, > > whatever that means. SMR drives obviously aren't "RAID" anything.) > > Well, when was t

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-03 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:40 PM Philip Webb wrote: > > After > 6 years , I'm planning to build a new machine ANB6. > The present machine ANB5 -- details at end -- continues to perform well, > but I can't rely on that for ever. > > I use it for everyday desktop work + fun. > The weekly Gentoo upda

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-03 Thread Dale
Julien Roy wrote: > This is exactly what happened to me. I unknowingly bought SMR drives > (I didn't know the difference, but the drives were "RAID" rated, > whatever that means. SMR drives obviously aren't "RAID" anything.) > Well, when was the time to expand my RAID, it wouldn't work. > Needless

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-03 Thread Dale
Laurence Perkins wrote: >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dale >> Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:08 PM >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome >> >> Laurence Perkins

RE: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-03 Thread Laurence Perkins
> > > -Original Message- > From: Dale > Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:08 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome > > Laurence Perkins wrote: > > With regard to SMR drives, note

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-02 Thread Dale
Laurence Perkins wrote: > With regard to SMR drives, note that there are three basic types: > > Some completely hide the fact that they are SMR. These suck, hands down. > Performance is unpredictable and random. > Some at least advertise that they're SMR, and expose basic counters about > where

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-02 Thread Wol
On 02/03/2022 22:01, Dale wrote: If unsure, post the model and I'm sure someone can tell you if it is CMR or SMR.  CMR = good, SMR = bad in some, maybe most, circumstances.  I don't know how true this is but I've read SMR and RAID is bad, btfrs(sp?) and similar file systems can also be bad.  Rese

RE: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-02 Thread Laurence Perkins
-- From: Dale Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 2:01 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome Wols Lists wrote: > On 02/03/2022 19:39, Philip Webb wrote: > >> >> [ Memory : Kingston has always performed well &  1

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-02 Thread Dale
Wols Lists wrote: > On 02/03/2022 19:39, Philip Webb wrote: > >> >> [ Memory : Kingston has always performed well &  16 GB  sb adequate ] >> >>    220222 Memory : MEKIT00581 : Kingston : 2 x 8 = 16 >> GB   $ 110 >>     DDR4 3600 MHz CL17 dual channel > > What's the large

Re: [gentoo-user] planning a new machine : comments welcome

2022-03-02 Thread Wols Lists
On 02/03/2022 19:39, Philip Webb wrote: After > 6 years , I'm planning to build a new machine ANB6. The present machine ANB5 -- details at end -- continues to perform well, but I can't rely on that for ever. I use it for everyday desktop work + fun. The weekly Gentoo update is the main stressor