On Sun, March 18, 2012 8:30 am, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>>
>>> initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server
>>> with / on a RAID6, not because I needed
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:13:02 +0800, wdk@moriah wrote:
> Have two here - disk less atoms as mythtv front ends - seems a common
> use case in the mythtv world. And another advantage is they sidestep
> the whole /user mess :)
I've tried that in the past. Now I use the internal disk on the Acer
Aspi
Have two here - disk less atoms as mythtv front ends - seems a common use case
in the mythtv world. And another advantage is they sidestep the whole /user
mess :)
BillK
On 20/03/2012, at 7:49, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:33:39 +
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
>> As for mak
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:33:39 +
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> As for making /usr read-only; it is generally only writeable by root
> and anyone with the root password could remount rw anyway, so there's
> not much point there.
I was thinking here more of /usr mounted -t nfs
root on nfs client != ro
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 01:04:04 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> - */bin vs */sbin is one. Nothing to do with security, but */sbin can
> go in root's PATH and apps that only makes sense when run as root (eg
> mkfs) go there. This avoids cluttering the display with useful crap
> from tab-completion
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:17:01 +
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:00:37 +0100, Andrea Conti wrote:
>
> > Personally I stopped bothering with a separate /usr ages ago, so I
> > don't really care.
>
> Having given this some thought recently, I am coming round to the view
> that the
William Kenworthy writes:
> On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > My laptop has used dracut since months ago, and suspends/resumes just
> > fine, as it does my media center.
> Genkernel doesnt, bugs and work arounds on gentoo bugzilla, with angry
> comments from a dev
On 19/03/2012 04:03, William Kenworthy wrote:
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500
Dale wrote:
Eliez
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:00:37 +0100, Andrea Conti wrote:
>
>> Personally I stopped bothering with a separate /usr ages ago, so I don't
>> really care.
>
> Having given this some thought recently, I am coming round to the view
> that the proble
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:50:28 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> How do I find out if I am actually *using* an initramfs right now (I
> know it is built into the kernel), and
If CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE is not set in your kernel config and you do
not have an initrd line in GRUB, you are not using an initra
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:09:14 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Your sarcasm fails because you think that there is an intrinsic reason
> to keep / seperate. Well, with / filled with usefull binaries to bring
> a hosed system back from the garbage pile that was true for some peole.
> But with the
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:00:37 +0100, Andrea Conti wrote:
> Personally I stopped bothering with a separate /usr ages ago, so I don't
> really care.
Having given this some thought recently, I am coming round to the view
that the problem is /usr itself. It may have had a place when boot disks
were li
On 03/17/2012 05:11:23 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
This item just appeared after eix-sync:
HTPC ~ # eselect news read
2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking
Title udev-181 unmasking
AuthorWilliam Hubbs
Posted2012-03-16
Revision
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 18:30 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Alan McKinnon
> wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500
> > Dale wrote:
> >
> >> Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
> >> > On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote:
> >> >> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >> >>> On Saturd
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500
> Dale wrote:
>
>> Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
>> > On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote:
>> >> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> >>> On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
>> >>>
>> genkernel is pre
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:39:59 -0500
Dale wrote:
> Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
> > On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote:
> >> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
> >>>
> genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me.
> just
>
> emerege
Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
> On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote:
>> Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>> On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
>>>
genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me.
just
emerege genkernel
and then use
genkerenl --menuconfig
On 18/03/2012 11:52, Dale wrote:
Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me.
just
emerege genkernel
and then use
genkerenl --menuconfig all
it will do everything for you the same as in a regular kernel
co
On 2012-03-18 9:29 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
I don't know about 'depreciated' as that has a sort of special
meaning,
it is deprecATED, not deprecIated
On 2012-03-17 8:54 AM, Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me.
just
emerege genkernel
Thanks, but... what part of "I have never used genkernel, and have no
desire to..." did you not understand?
Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 09:23:00 schrieb Bruce Hill, Jr.:
> On March 18, 2012 at 8:47 AM Volker Armin Hemmann
>
> wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 08:01:59 schrieb Bruce Hill, Jr.:
> > > On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol wrote:
> > > > >> I recall reading on this list a week or tw
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:51:54 -0500
> Dale wrote:
>
>> I been thinking about that *BSD stuff lately. Hm, maybe I need to
>> do some research on this and give it a try.
>
> Give it a try, you might be pleasantly surprised.
>
> For single purpose servers, FreeBSD beats
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
>
> I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel
> autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated. :(
>
> --
> :wq
>
I don't know about 'depreciated' as that has a sort of special
meaning, but Neil Brown has been moving away from it
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
>
>
>
> On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
>> initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server
>> with / on a RAID6, not because I needed it long term but in the short
>> term I couldn't determine how m
On March 18, 2012 at 8:47 AM Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 08:01:59 schrieb Bruce Hill, Jr.:
> > On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol wrote:
> > > >> I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel
> > > >> autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:51:54 -0500
Dale wrote:
> I been thinking about that *BSD stuff lately. Hm, maybe I need to
> do some research on this and give it a try.
Give it a try, you might be pleasantly surprised.
For single purpose servers, FreeBSD beats Linux hands down almost every
time. I
Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 08:01:59 schrieb Bruce Hill, Jr.:
> On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol wrote:
> > >> I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel
> > >> autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated. :(
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> :wq
> > >
> > > Works on my comp
On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol wrote:
> >> I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel
> >> autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated. :(
> >>
> >> --
> >> :wq
> >>
> >
> > Works on my computers.
>
> And mine. But 'deprecated' means 'this may go away in the future'.
Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
>
>> genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me.
>> just
>>
>> emerege genkernel
>>
>> and then use
>>
>> genkerenl --menuconfig all
>>
>> it will do everything for you the same as in a regular kernel
>> compil
pk wrote:
> On 2012-03-17 21:09, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
>> seriously, you have seemed to miss some news. There is a move by redhat&co
>> to
>> move almost everything from / to /usr. With nothing left than some
>> mountpoints
>> - why put / on its own partition? There is nothing to conta
> For more information on why this has been done, see the following URL:
> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
s/separate-usr/systemd and udev/
Too bad I'm not a developer. If udev and systemd become mandatory on
Gentoo, I'll seriously consider LFS (Linux From
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:26 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
>
>
>
> On March 18, 2012 at 2:30 AM Michael Mol wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> initramfs side of things. I did h
On March 18, 2012 at 2:30 AM Michael Mol wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> >
> >> initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server
> >> with / on a RAID6, not because
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
>
>
>
> On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
>> initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server
>> with / on a RAID6, not because I needed it long term but in the short
>> term I couldn't determine how
On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
> initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server
> with / on a RAID6, not because I needed it long term but in the short
> term I couldn't determine how mdadm was numbering the RAID so that I
> could get grub.conf correct.
On Sat, 2012-03-17 at 17:43 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Alan McKinnon
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:10:35 -0700
> > Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> >> 4) I don't use a separate /usr so I don't need any of this. I suspect
> >> most casual Gentoo users like me are p
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:10:35 -0700
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> 4) I don't use a separate /usr so I don't need any of this. I suspect
>> most casual Gentoo users like me are pretty much the same.
>
> This news item in no way applies to you and
On 2012-03-17 21:09, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> seriously, you have seemed to miss some news. There is a move by redhat&co to
> move almost everything from / to /usr. With nothing left than some
> mountpoints
> - why put / on its own partition? There is nothing to contain apart from
> /etc.
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:10:35 -0700
Mark Knecht wrote:
> 4) I don't use a separate /usr so I don't need any of this. I suspect
> most casual Gentoo users like me are pretty much the same.
This news item in no way applies to you and you are completely
unaffected. You can safely update openrc and u
Am Samstag, 17. März 2012, 20:40:02 schrieb pk:
> On 2012-03-17 19:38, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > you know, with that 'put everything into /usr' crap going on, I don't see
> > any reason to have a seperate /usr at all. /root is completely empty. So
> > what? Put everything on one partition and
On 2012-03-17 19:38, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> you know, with that 'put everything into /usr' crap going on, I don't see any
> reason to have a seperate /usr at all. /root is completely empty. So what?
> Put
> everything on one partition and go on.
Yes, let's do away with partitions altoget
you know, with that 'put everything into /usr' crap going on, I don't see any
reason to have a seperate /usr at all. /root is completely empty. So what? Put
everything on one partition and go on.
I will not use an initramfs if I can get away with it.
--
#163933
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> 1) Unmasking udev-181 doesn't mean it becomes stable, so I am assuming
>> (for now) that since I run stable Gentoo this won't directly effect me
>> on Monday. Comments?
>
> Th
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
> wrote:
>> This item just appeared after eix-sync:
>>
>> HTPC ~ # eselect news read
>> 2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking
>> Title udev-181 unmasking
>> Author
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
> This item just appeared after eix-sync:
>
> HTPC ~ # eselect news read
> 2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking
> Title udev-181 unmasking
> Author William Hubbs
> Posted 2012-03-16
> R
On 17-Mar-12 13:50, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2012-03-17 12:11 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
An initramfs which does this is created by
=sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25.1 or
=sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be
sure any initramfs you create pre-mounts /usr.
Ok, I have nev
On Saturday 17 March 2012 12:54:53 Eliezer Croitoru wrote:
> genkernel is pretty simple to use if you ask me.
> just
>
> emerege genkernel
>
> and then use
>
> genkerenl --menuconfig all
>
> it will do everything for you the same as in a regular kernel
> compiling.
>
> you have instructions o
On 17/03/2012 14:50, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2012-03-17 12:11 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
An initramfs which does this is created by
=sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25.1 or
=sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be
sure any initramfs you create pre-mounts /usr.
Ok, I have ne
On 2012-03-17 12:11 AM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
An initramfs which does this is created by
=sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25.1 or
=sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be
sure any initramfs you create pre-mounts /usr.
Ok, I have never used genkernel, and have no desire
On March 17, 2012 at 7:59 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello Bruce,
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 12:11:23AM -0400, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
> > This item just appeared after eix-sync:
>
> > udev-181 is being unmasked on 2012-03-19.
>
> Why is he in such a hurry?
>
> >
On March 17, 2012 at 4:00 AM Andrea Conti wrote:
> > This news item is to inform you that once you upgrade to a version of
> > udev >=181, if you have /usr on a separate partition, you must boot
your
> > system with an initramfs which pre-mounts /usr.
>
> [...]
>
> > Happy Computer Users, syst
Hello Bruce,
Thanks for the heads up.
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 12:11:23AM -0400, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
> This item just appeared after eix-sync:
> udev-181 is being unmasked on 2012-03-19.
Why is he in such a hurry?
> For more information on why this has been done, see the following URL:
> ht
> This news item is to inform you that once you upgrade to a version of
> udev >=181, if you have /usr on a separate partition, you must boot your
> system with an initramfs which pre-mounts /usr.
[...]
> Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon.
The problem, if you really want to call t
On Mar 17, 2012 11:15 AM, "Bruce Hill, Jr."
wrote:
>
> This item just appeared after eix-sync:
>
> HTPC ~ # eselect news read
> 2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking
> Title udev-181 unmasking
> AuthorWilliam Hubbs
> Posted2012-03-16
> Revi
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
> --
>
>
>
> On March 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM "Canek Peláez Valdés"
> wrote:
>
>> > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Happy Computer Users (for now), systemd is on your horizon.
>> >
>> >
--
On March 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM "Canek Peláez Valdés"
wrote:
> > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
> >
> >
> >
> > Happy Computer Users (for now), systemd is on your horizon.
> >
> > Houston, we have a problem!
>
> You can always try Walter's et. al. mdev re
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
> This item just appeared after eix-sync:
>
> HTPC ~ # eselect news read
> 2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking
> Title udev-181 unmasking
> Author William Hubbs
> Posted 2012-03-16
>
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