Mike Edenfield wrote:
>> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
>
>> This has been one of my points too. I could go out and buy me a bluetooth
>> mouse/keyboard but I don't because it to complicates matters.
>
> I had a long reply to Walt that I (probably wisely) decided not to send, but
> the
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:39:44 +0100, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> > Technically, we are all using an initramfs as all 2.6/3 kernels mount
> > an initramfs when they load. If does not contain an init script, they
> > fall back to the legacy behaviour.
> >
> > See /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystem
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 01:05:12 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> > > That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a
> > > separate
> > > file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the
> > > previous kernel knowing i
On Mar 15, 2012 9:50 PM, "Michael Mol" wrote:
>
>8 snip
>
> That's really not the reason for it. I mean, sure, I think the initial
> reactions were mostly grumpiness and misinformed outrage, but I don't
> think the contrariness really *baked* in until people got a twofer of
> "you're going t
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
>> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
>
>> This has been one of my points too. I could go out and buy me a bluetooth
>> mouse/keyboard but I don't because it to complicates matters.
>
> I had a long reply to Walt that I (probably wisel
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2012-03-15 9:05 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:56:12 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> > Well, you built the kernel, so you should know.
>
> Well, since I basically just used a kernel .config that someone else
> originally set up, copying .config over and running make oldconfig when
> upgrading over the years, stumbling throu
> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
> This has been one of my points too. I could go out and buy me a bluetooth
> mouse/keyboard but I don't because it to complicates matters.
I had a long reply to Walt that I (probably wisely) decided not to send, but
the basic point of it is also releva
On 2012-03-15 9:05 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the
previous kernel knowing it will still work.
Ok, time to show
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:41:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> > That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
> > file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the
> > previous kernel knowing it will still work.
>
> Ok, time to show my ignorance...
>
> How would
On 2012-03-15 5:13 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the previous
kernel knowing it will still work.
Ok, time to show my ignorance...
How would I know if I am using an init
On 2012-03-14 9:03 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
*YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP* won't boot properly without /usr on /, or an
initramfs. OK, put /usr on /, or an initramfs*ON YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP*.
I don't have a problem with that. What gets people really upset is the
dog-in-the-manger attitude of "if my complex
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 05:10:55 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
> > file. If I do something to break the initramfs I just boot the
> > previous kernel knowing it will still work.
> I tried that. It broke. It didn't boot not even once.
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:47:16 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> I may end up with a init thingy, which I am currently using. Thing is,
>> the first time it breaks and I can't fix it, I'll install something
>> else.
>
> That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a sep
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:47:16 -0500, Dale wrote:
> I may end up with a init thingy, which I am currently using. Thing is,
> the first time it breaks and I can't fix it, I'll install something
> else.
That's why I build the initramfs into the kernel and not as a separate
file. If I do something to
Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:15:03PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote
>
>> Every machine I run Linux on is a huge desktop system running behemoth
>> software (Eclipse, GNOME, Chromium, LibreOffice, etc.).
>
> I have Abiword, Gimp, Gnumeric, Firefox, etc, running just fine, thank
>
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:15:03PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote
> Every machine I run Linux on is a huge desktop system running behemoth
> software (Eclipse, GNOME, Chromium, LibreOffice, etc.).
I have Abiword, Gimp, Gnumeric, Firefox, etc, running just fine, thank
you, on ICEWM.
> He seems to
From: Pandu Poluan [mailto:pa...@poluan.info]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:28 PM
> This email [1] (and the correction email right afterwards) should give some
> much-needed perspective on
> why we're driving full-speed toward an overturned manure truck (which some of
> us, e.g., Walter a
On Mar 14, 2012 11:19 PM, "Mike Edenfield" wrote:
>
> > From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:14 AM
> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad tho
> From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:alan.mckin...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:14 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
>
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
> Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
>
On Mar 14, 2012 9:45 PM, "Alan Mackenzie" wrote:
>
> Hi, Walter.
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:09:46AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
>
> > > I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may
replace
> > > udev then the udev dev c
Hi, Walter.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 04:09:46AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
> > I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
> > udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
> > distros. I'm
Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
>
>> I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
>> udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
>> distros. I'm giving mdev some thought here. I want /usr on LVM which
On 2012-03-13 08:13, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I've also thought about this and I also want to ask why?
Hm... me too? :-)
> I stopped using a separate /usr on my workstations a long time ago when
> I realized it was pointless. The days of 5M hard disks when the entire
Ok, you realized it was point
On Mar 13, 2012 10:39 PM, "Alan McKinnon" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:53:29 -0600
> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> > As Alan said in other thread, it can be "fixed" (if you think is not
> > right) for some very specific cases. Alan mentioned servers, really
> > simple desktops with simple h
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:53:29 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> As Alan said in other thread, it can be "fixed" (if you think is not
> right) for some very specific cases. Alan mentioned servers, really
> simple desktops with simple hotplug devices, and embedded systems. For
> mdev to "fix" the s
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:38:26 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Of course, for a normal desktop user, a separate /usr is basically
> useless.
If you need to encrypt /etc but don't want the overhead of encrypting
everything is /usr, which is basically publicly available files anyway,
separating /
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
>
>> I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
>> udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
>> distros. I'm giving mdev some though
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 06:22:39PM -0500, Dale wrote
> I think mdev has shown it can be fixed. Given time, it just may replace
> udev then the udev dev can screw up his own stuff on not bother other
> distros. I'm giving mdev some thought here. I want /usr on LVM which
> means it has to be sepa
On Mar 13, 2012 2:41 PM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, "Alan McKinnon"
wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
> >> Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >>
> >> > > The idea of trying to launch udevd and initi
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, "Alan McKinnon" wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
>> Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>
>> > > The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without
>> > > the software, installed in /usr, which is re
On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, "Alan McKinnon" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
> Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> > > The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without
> > > the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices
> > > is a configuration that causes pro
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
Pandu Poluan wrote:
> > The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without
> > the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices
> > is a configuration that causes problems in many real-world,
> > practical situations.
> >
> > Th
On Mar 13, 2012 9:05 AM, "Mike Edenfield" wrote:
>
> From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:23 PM
>
> > I like that quote. I may not be dev material but I know this /usr mess
> > is not right. The only reason it is happening is because of one or two
> > distr
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:23 PM
> I like that quote. I may not be dev material but I know this /usr mess
> is not right. The only reason it is happening is because of one or two
> distros that push it to make it easier for themselves.
If that's ho
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Dale wrote:
> Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol wrote:
>>
>>> Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
>>> removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> :wq
>>>
>>
>
Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
>
>
>
> On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol wrote:
>
>> Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
>> removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
>>
>>
>> --
>> :wq
>>
>
> Maybe you're not, but it only takes me a few minutes be
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:39:26 -0400 (EDT)
"Bruce Hill, Jr." wrote:
>
>
>
> On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol wrote:
>
> > Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
> > removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
> >
> >
> > --
> > :wq
> >
>
> May
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
wrote:
>
>
>
> On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol wrote:
>
>> Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
>> removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
>>
>>
>> --
>> :wq
>>
>
> Maybe you're not, but it o
On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:39:26 Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote:
> On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol wrote:
> > Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
> > removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > :wq
>
> Maybe you're not, but it o
On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol wrote:
> Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far
> removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves.
>
>
> --
> :wq
>
Maybe you're not, but it only takes me a few minutes being around chithead
and NeddySeagoon for me
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jorge Martínez López wrote:
> Hi!
>
> 2012/3/11 walt :
>> On 03/11/2012 05:16 AM, Jorge Martínez López wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>
>> Hi Jorge.
>>
>>> I had some struggle with a separate /usr on top of LVM
>>
>> I'm just curious why you use a separate /usr, and why you are
>
Hi!
2012/3/11 walt :
> On 03/11/2012 05:16 AM, Jorge Martínez López wrote:
>> Hi!
>
> Hi Jorge.
>
>> I had some struggle with a separate /usr on top of LVM
>
> I'm just curious why you use a separate /usr, and why you are
> willing to struggle to keep it that way. Several people have
> posted opi
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