On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 12:44 AM Jorge Almeida wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 5:29 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >
>
> > attached. Please start again from a gentoo-sources without any previous
> > traces of the scrollback patches, and apply that patch. _Surely_ it
> > should work this time.
>
On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 12:51 AM Dale wrote:
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> Jorge Almeida wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 6:24 PM antlists wrote:
> > Hello, Wol and Dale
> >> When you rebuild it, get a surge protector and then put a UPS behind
> >> that ... snag is that's all extra expense :-(
> >>
> Hope that info he
Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 6:24 PM antlists wrote:
> Hello, Wol and Dale
>> When you rebuild it, get a surge protector and then put a UPS behind
>> that ... snag is that's all extra expense :-(
>>
> Surge protectors: I googled it and mostly got bad reviews. Do they
> _really_wo
On 26/09/2021 22:22, Jorge Almeida wrote:
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 6:24 PM antlists wrote:
Hello, Wol and Dale
When you rebuild it, get a surge protector and then put a UPS behind
that ... snag is that's all extra expense :-(
Surge protectors: I googled it and mostly got bad reviews. Do th
On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 6:24 PM antlists wrote:
>
Hello, Wol and Dale
> When you rebuild it, get a surge protector and then put a UPS behind
> that ... snag is that's all extra expense :-(
>
Surge protectors: I googled it and mostly got bad reviews. Do they
_really_work? What would you recommend
antlists wrote:
> On 26/09/2021 13:36, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> Sure enough, the patch was succesful. Unfortunately, I cannot test it,
>>> because my computer is out of luck (big thunderstorm, crappy power
>>> provider, not-so-smart owner).
>
>> I'm sorry to hear it. I'm sure you've done it alrea
On 26/09/2021 13:36, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Sure enough, the patch was succesful. Unfortunately, I cannot test it,
because my computer is out of luck (big thunderstorm, crappy power
provider, not-so-smart owner).
I'm sorry to hear it. I'm sure you've done it already, but get a decent
backup fr
Hello, Jorge.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 23:44:51 +, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 5:29 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Alan
> > > $ patch -p0 <../patch_for_5.14.diff
> > > patching file ./drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
> > > Hunk #1 FAILED at 3208.
> > > 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- savi
On Friday, 24 September 2021 18:29:11 BST Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> To apply the patch (you surely know this already), cd to the top of the
> kernel tree, and use
>
> $ patch -p1 < 5.14.5-scroll-20210924.diff
[...]
> .. Please let me know again how it works out. Thanks!
Works for me, Alan, a
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 5:29 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
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Hejjo, Alan
> > $ patch -p0 <../patch_for_5.14.diff
> > patching file ./drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
> > Hunk #1 FAILED at 3208.
> > 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file ./drivers/tty/vt/vt.c.rej
>
> attached. Please start again from a
Hello, Jorge.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 09:22:45 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 6:03 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[ ]
> It still fails:
> $ patch -p0 <../patch_for_5.14.diff
> patching file ./drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
> Hunk #1 FAILED at 3208.
> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 6:03 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
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>
> As for the two(?) versions of my patch, they differed mainly in the
> aesthetics - diff.20210405.diff had lots of ugly maintainer comments in
> it. So, could I ask you please to try that 1-hunk patch I posted
> yesterday on top of the v
Hello, Jorge.
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 22:40:11 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:29 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hi Alan, thanks for the reply
> > I must confess that somebody told me by private email that it fails on
> > systems which change their screen geometry during boo
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:29 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> Hello, Jorge.
>
Hi Alan, thanks for the reply
> I must confess that somebody told me by private email that it fails on
> systems which change their screen geometry during boot-up. For example,
> a system which first boots into 80x25, then
Hello, Jorge.
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 21:40:46 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> Hello, gentooers in general and Alan in particular
> I've been using Alan Mackenzie's patch until kernel 5.13, with
> success. It failed with 5.14.4 --yes, I know, but it doesn't hurt to
> try :)
I'm happy to know my pa
Hello, Gentoo.
A new kernel, gentoo-sources-5.10.49-r1 has become current.
For those who wish to have console soft scrolling, the patch which worked
with 5.10.27 actually still works in 5.10.49-r1. But I've tidied that
patch up somewhat for 5.10.49-r1 and have attached the patch file to this
pos
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:12 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> How to get it working:
> (i) Extract the enclosed patch file to your /usr/src/linux-5.10.27-gentoo
> directory (or probably any 5.10 kernel's).
Works with 5.10.28-gentoo. Thanks again.
I finally can uninstall my 5.8.6 which still has the old
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:54 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Michael.
>
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 18:08:58 -0500, Michael Jones wrote:
>
> [ ]
>
> > Without looking at the patch itself:
>
> > Have you considered something like kmscon as a userland alternative?
>
> To be honest, no. I wasn'
Hello, John
On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 10:13:39 -0400, John Covici wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 09:14:23 -0400,
> Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 April 2021 19:13:18 BST Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > We'll see how people react to it here, first.
> > You're my hero!
> Would this patch work o
On Tue, 06 Apr 2021 09:14:23 -0400,
Peter Humphrey wrote:
>
> On Monday, 5 April 2021 19:13:18 BST Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> > We'll see how people react to it here, first.
>
> You're my hero!
Would this patch work on 5.4.96 and following?
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose
On Monday, 5 April 2021 19:13:18 BST Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> We'll see how people react to it here, first.
You're my hero!
--
Regards,
Peter.
On Monday, April 5, 2021 7:12:07 PM CEST Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Gentoo.
>
> Yes, console soft scrolling is back! That essential feature that was
> stripped out of the kernel at around 5.4.x has returned!
>
> Only this time, it's even better! Instead of one scrollback buffer
> shared bet
Hello, Karl.
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 21:58:37 +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie:
> > Yes, console soft scrolling is back! That essential feature that was
> > stripped out of the kernel at around 5.4.x has returned!
> It is commit 087b6cb17df5834d395ab72da3f937380470ba15,
> between
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:56 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just tested it with kernel 5.11.11. Seems fine.
>
> Thanks!
>
Thank _you_!
It is regrettable that console scrolling is out of the kernel. Even if
one doesn't use the console that much, it is used once in a while, and
those occasio
Hello, Jorge.
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 19:38:57 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 6:12 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > Hello, Gentoo.
> > Yes, console soft scrolling is back! That essential feature that was
> > stripped out of the kernel at around 5.4.x has returned!
> > Only t
Hello, Michael.
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 18:08:58 -0500, Michael Jones wrote:
[ ]
> Without looking at the patch itself:
> Have you considered something like kmscon as a userland alternative?
To be honest, no. I wasn't really aware of it when I starting working on
the Linux console.
Acco
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:12 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> Hello, Gentoo.
>
> Yes, console soft scrolling is back! That essential feature that was
> stripped out of the kernel at around 5.4.x has returned!
Thank you. I'll try to make this work in 5.10.28 once it's released.
--
konsolebox
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021, 13:13 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Wol.
>
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 18:44:15 +0100, antlists wrote:
> > On 05/04/2021 18:12, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > Bug reports and other comments are welcome, of course.
> > >
> > > If anybody would like the corresponding patch which wo
Alan Mackenzie:
> Yes, console soft scrolling is back! That essential feature that was
> stripped out of the kernel at around 5.4.x has returned!
It is commit 087b6cb17df5834d395ab72da3f937380470ba15,
between v5.4.65 and 66.
Perhaps also 0d123a8c64fde433a, cf5a7ded53652c3d63d72, and possible
othe
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 6:12 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> Hello, Gentoo.
>
> Yes, console soft scrolling is back! That essential feature that was
> stripped out of the kernel at around 5.4.x has returned!
>
> Only this time, it's even better! Instead of one scrollback buffer
> shared between all
Hello, Wol.
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 18:44:15 +0100, antlists wrote:
> On 05/04/2021 18:12, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > Bug reports and other comments are welcome, of course.
> >
> > If anybody would like the corresponding patch which works on 5.4.n, for n
> >> = 80, that is available, too.
> Why d
On 05/04/2021 18:12, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Bug reports and other comments are welcome, of course.
If anybody would like the corresponding patch which works on 5.4.n, for n
= 80, that is available, too.
Why did it get removed from the kernel?
If you want to get it back in, couldn't you ping G
Hello, Karl.
Thanks for the reply.
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 21:32:04 +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie:
> ...
> > I've now cobbled together a working console scroll on Linux
> > 5.4.80-gentoo-r1. In the end, I reused much of the old machinery which
> > was still present in 4.19.97.
Alex Mackenzie:
...
> I've now cobbled together a working console scroll on Linux
> 5.4.80-gentoo-r1. In the end, I reused much of the old machinery which
> was still present in 4.19.97. Once I've tidied it up, I hope that the
> resulting patch file will apply cleanly also to later versions than
Hello, Gentoo.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 19:59:09 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[Context: Scrolling on the Linux text console using the keys
and has been removed from the kernel. This
is not a Good Thing.]
> What I have in mind now is writing a Linux driver, a small piece of code
> which would p
Hello, Wol.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 09:32:13 +, Wols Lists wrote:
> On 20/01/21 19:59, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > I can understand the kernel maintainers not being enthusiastic about
> > the existing code. But that dates from, I believe, the 1990s, when
> > RAM was measured in megabytes, and p
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 12:40 PM Remco Rijnders wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 08:58:42AM +, Jorge wrote in
> :
> >On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 8:53 AM Wols Lists wrote:
> >>
> >
> >> https://lwn.net/Articles/842415/
> >>
> >> Take a read, as it's mentioned in this article.
> >>
> >Paywalled...
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 08:58:42AM +, Jorge wrote in
:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 8:53 AM Wols Lists wrote:
https://lwn.net/Articles/842415/
Take a read, as it's mentioned in this article.
Paywalled... :(
Try this link: https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/842415/5bc3e39b4d4f52fe/
On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 8:53 AM Wols Lists wrote:
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/842415/
>
> Take a read, as it's mentioned in this article.
>
Paywalled... :(
Jorge Almeida
On 20/01/21 19:59, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> I can understand the kernel
> maintainers not being enthusiastic about the existing code. But that
> dates from, I believe, the 1990s, when RAM was measured in megabytes, and
> processor speeds in megahertz. Optimisation for speed and store usage
> just
Hello, Laurence.
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 17:09:03 +, Laurence Perkins wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-01-17 at 05:17 +, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:01:48 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > I don't know what I'll be doing, long term. For the moment, I'll
> > > be hanging onto
On Sun, 2021-01-17 at 05:17 +, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:01:48 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> > Hello, Gentoo.
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 16:06:38 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 22:15:25 -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > > On 2021-01-13, A
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:01:48 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> I usually install Gentoo via ssh.
> The article I read about the removal of Linux console's backscrolling
> feature said it was mostly due to lack of a maintainer for that code,
> and that if somebody stepped forward to maintain it, it cou
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:01:48 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Gentoo.
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 16:06:38 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 22:15:25 -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > On 2021-01-13, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > > I think bringing up a new Gentoo system
Grant:
> On 1/13/21 2:56 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
...
> > Doing text work in X is s l u g g i s h. Changing from one
> > application to another, which would be achieved by, say Alt-F4 on a
> > console takes more key sequences in X, and is less than instantaneous.
I'm using fvwm set up with 9
Hello, Neil.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 18:44:15 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:14:39 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > > I see that the kernel code to scroll the console has been stripped out
> > > [1].
> > This is appalling. I do all my work on the console (apart from web
On 1/13/21 2:56 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hello, Grant.
Hi Alan,
Well, there's really not much that can't be done in a terminal
emulator. But it's the manner of the doing that's important.
Okay. I can appreciate and respect that response.
Doing text work in X is s l u g g i s h. Chang
Hello, Grant.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 12:32:28 -0700, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 1/13/21 11:14 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > This is appalling. I do all my work on the console (apart from web
> > browsing), and with this development, Linux effectively becomes
> > unusable to me. I will NOT be bu
On 1/13/21 11:14 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
This is appalling. I do all my work on the console (apart from web
browsing), and with this development, Linux effectively becomes
unusable to me. I will NOT be bullied into using second rate
alternatives like X-Windows terminals.
Wow. I don't thi
On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 18:14:39 GMT Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Peter.
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:30:19 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > I see that the kernel code to scroll the console has been stripped out
> > [1].
>
> This is appalling. I do all my work on t
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 18:14:39 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > I see that the kernel code to scroll the console has been stripped out
> > [1].
>
> This is appalling. I do all my work on the console (apart from web
> browsing), and with this development, Linux effectively becomes unusable
> to
Hello, Peter.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:30:19 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Hello list,
> I see that the kernel code to scroll the console has been stripped out
> [1].
This is appalling. I do all my work on the console (apart from web
browsing), and with this development, Linux effectively b
On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 11:21:54 GMT Andreas Fink wrote:
> How about this (works with bash, not sure about other shells):
> emerge |& less
>
> This should work with all shells:
> emerge 2>&1 | less
That's better; thanks Andreas.
--
Regards,
Peter.
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:55:18 +
Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 10:38:01 GMT Michael wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 10:30:19 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > Hello list,
> > >
> > > I see that the kernel code to scroll the console has been stripped out
> > > [1].
On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 10:38:01 GMT Michael wrote:
> On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 10:30:19 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > I see that the kernel code to scroll the console has been stripped out
> > [1]. What do people use instead?
> >
> > This loss is a nuisance while in
On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 10:30:19 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I see that the kernel code to scroll the console has been stripped out [1].
> What do people use instead?
>
> This loss is a nuisance while installing a new system, as I am still trying
> to do on my old laptop.
>
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