On 2013-09-04 2:49 AM, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Well in my point of view it boils down to that: someone wants to use ZFS
on Linux. Fine. This means you've got to be a good citizen and obey its
license, of course.
It is for those legal reasons that ZFS is not included into the Linux
kernel mainline s
The 04/09/13, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Linux does not contain code to boot AFAIK
Sure, it does. You can boot on the kernel directly without a boot
manager.
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Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> containing the kernel is
> also a zfs filesystem, then your grub needs a driver that can read
> that filesystem.
>
> Well sys-boot/grub-2.00 provides one. See /boot/grub/zfs.mod
You don't need grub2, a capable older grub does it also, see:
http://hg.berlios.de/repos/s
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Joerg Schilling
wrote:
> Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>
>> > > > the disk... OOPS. This is a classic "chicken and egg" situation.
>> > >
>> > > On Solaris no problem with loadable modules - everything is
>> > > dynamically loaded. ***YOU NEED A GRUB THAT UNDERSTANDS
Walter Dnes wrote:
> > Grub works this way:
> >
> > 1) It loads /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix
>
> Question... how does it read that file off a ZFS partition? OK, so
> ZFS code has to be installed statically into GRUB instead of statically
> into the kernel. Please stop the shell game.
Am 02.09.2013 10:47, schrieb Joerg Schilling:
Solaris is dynamic from the beginning:
Well in my point of view it boils down to that: someone wants to use ZFS
on Linux. Fine. This means you've got to be a good citizen and obey its
license, of course.
It is for those legal reasons that ZFS i
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 10:47:35AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
> Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> > At what point does grub "present a zfs interface for the kernel to use"?
>
> After it booted the kernel
>
> You may not know dynamic kernels as Linux is a static kernel that
> just may load additional
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> > > > the disk... OOPS. This is a classic "chicken and egg" situation.
> > >
> > > On Solaris no problem with loadable modules - everything is
> > > dynamically loaded. ***YOU NEED A GRUB THAT UNDERSTANDS ZFS AND THAT
> > > GIVES A ZFS INTERFACE TO THE KERNEL TO USE B
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 01:41:30PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote
> Case in point - do you enable all the ext4 options, like acls and
> whatnot? Let's say no.
>
> What if you suddenly have to mount an external hard disk to
> recover some system on your server and the hard disk uses those ext4
> o
On Sep 2, 2013 5:21 AM, "Walter Dnes" wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 09:49:23AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
> > Walter Dnes wrote:
> >
> > > You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT
> > > FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute. Gentoo reads modules off
> > > t
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 10:11:01AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote
> You don't, it is only *required* if you have a separate /usr... in fact
> that is what the whole argument was about.
>
> At least that is my understanding of the situation now... please don't
> tell me I'm wrong and there was another v
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 09:49:23AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
> Walter Dnes wrote:
>
> > You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT
> > FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute. Gentoo reads modules off
> > the disk. If the code for the root filesystem is a module,
On 2013-08-31 7:32 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
If this is not mainline, and it is not trivial gentoo kernels
maintainer patch, and you must have this as static, you can just put
the patch within/etc/portage/patches/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/, so
it will patch your kernel every time you emerge new on
On 2013-08-31 11:55 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
Also, I really wonder what the point is in having to use
initramfs on a system where /usr is part of /.
You don't, it is only *required* if you have a separate /usr... in fact
that is what the whole argument was about.
At least that is my understan
On 2013-08-31 7:29 AM, Joerg Schilling
wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
You must have missed the point that this is for*servers*, that most
people*disable modules* on. I*know* that it is available as a module.
Why, for security reasons?
Because if you don't need something, why enable it?
If modu
Walter Dnes wrote:
> You can get away with most stuff as modules; ***BUT NOT THE ROOT
> FILESYSTEM***. Think about it for a minute. Gentoo reads modules off
> the disk. If the code for the root filesystem is a module, Gentoo would
> have to read the module off the disk to enable it to read t
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> I usally use ext4 as filesystem.
>>
>> # lsmod|grep ext
>> ext3 100768 0
>> jbd39586 1 ext3
>> ext2 49572 0
>> ext4 263621 1
>> crc16 1255 2 ext4,bl
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> I usally use ext4 as filesystem.
>>
>> # lsmod|grep ext
>> ext3 100768 0
>> jbd39586 1 ext3
>> ext2 49572 0
>> ext4 263621 1
>> crc16 1255 2 ext4,b
> I usally use ext4 as filesystem.
>
> # lsmod|grep ext
> ext3 100768 0
> jbd39586 1 ext3
> ext2 49572 0
> ext4 263621 1
> crc16 1255 2 ext4,bluetooth
> mbcache 4450 3 ext2,ext3,ext4
> j
On Sep 1, 2013 7:51 AM, "Mark David Dumlao" wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
> >
> >> So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel
> >> with ZFS inside.
> >
> > See
http://www.gen
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
>
>> So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel
>> with ZFS inside.
>
> See
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
>
>> So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel
>> with ZFS inside.
>
> See
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_cha
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 02:19:56PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote
> So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel
> with ZFS inside.
See
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap7
> Now go to File Systems and select support for the filesys
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a "problem" that's already solved
>> by
>> installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running "module-rebuild rebuild"
>> after every kernel update, whic
Gregory Shearman wrote:
> In linux.gentoo.user, Mr Schilling wrote:
> >
> > On Solaris, you can disable loading unsigned modules, is this not
> > supported by
> > Linux?
>
> CONFIG_MODULE_SIG
So there seems to be no real need to create a static linux kernel with ZFS
inside.
Jörg
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In linux.gentoo.user, Mr Schilling wrote:
>
> On Solaris, you can disable loading unsigned modules, is this not supported
> by
> Linux?
CONFIG_MODULE_SIG
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On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
> On 2013-08-31 7:04 AM, Joerg Schilling
> wrote:
>>
>> Everything is dynamic, you would however put a lot of effort into the linux
>> kernel to get to that state...e.g. automated major device numbering.
>
>
> ??? I've been running my servers w
Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> > Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a "problem" that's already solved by
> > installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running "module-rebuild rebuild"
> > after every kernel update, which is how nvidia, broadcom, and othe
On 2013-08-31 7:04 AM, Joerg Schilling
wrote:
Everything is dynamic, you would however put a lot of effort into the linux
kernel to get to that state...e.g. automated major device numbering.
??? I've been running my servers without modules since... I started
running servers.
Servers are not
On 2013-08-31 1:10 AM, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
Sounds like an awful lot of trouble for a "problem" that's already solved by
installing sys-kernel/module-rebuild and running "module-rebuild rebuild"
after every kernel update, which is how nvidia, broadcom, and other
kernel modules are dealt pain
Pandu Poluan wrote:
> Well, if you follow Tanstaafl in the other thread, you'll see that he
> wants ZFS to be integrated into the kernel, not existing as a kernel
> module.
>
But why does someone want things to be inside a static kernel?
Since 1991/1992, Solaris does not have anything in the st
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Mick wrote:
>> On Friday 30 Aug 2013 15:44:35 Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> > On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> >> Why would there be a problem if someone
On Friday 30 Aug 2013 21:21:10 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Ahem, Mr Bothwick!
>
> Our friend with the thing about free lunches needs you to demonstrate
> your penmanship, considering you have some proven results in this area.
...and I'd happily act as editor...
:-) ;-)
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Regards,
Peter
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:16 AM, Mick wrote:
> On Friday 30 Aug 2013 15:44:35 Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> > On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> >> Why would there be a problem if someone decided to create a 3rd party
>> >> overlay *not* part of the off
On Friday 30 Aug 2013 15:44:35 Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote:
> >> Why would there be a problem if someone decided to create a 3rd party
> >> overlay *not* part of the official gentoo portage tree that contained
> >> *only*
On 30/08/2013 16:44, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> Why would there be a problem if someone decided to create a 3rd party
>>> overlay *not* part of the official gentoo portage tree that contained
>>> *only* the zfs stuff
On 2013-08-30 10:34 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 30/08/2013 16:29, Tanstaafl wrote:
Why would there be a problem if someone decided to create a 3rd party
overlay *not* part of the official gentoo portage tree that contained
*only* the zfs stuff, and when this overlay was installed combined with
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