On Monday 09 January 2006 02:07, a tiny voice compelled Abhay Kedia to write:
> On Monday 09 January 2006 02:28, Trenton Adams wrote:
> > Who says they know they have a fear of computers? You can be doing
> > something that you don't even know you're afraid of. Obviously if it
> > was total fear,
On Monday 09 January 2006 02:28, Trenton Adams wrote:
>
> Who says they know they have a fear of computers? You can be doing
> something that you don't even know you're afraid of. Obviously if it
> was total fear, they would know about it.
>
LOL!!! Unknown fear? I have heard about "Fear of unknow
On 1/8/06, Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 08 January 2006 03:23, a tiny voice compelled Trenton Adams to
> write:
> > Well, could be many things. I've found fear of computers to be one
> > blocker to being better at computers than one can be. Having fear
> > creates a mind bl
On Sunday 08 January 2006 03:23, a tiny voice compelled Trenton Adams to
write:
> Well, could be many things. I've found fear of computers to be one
> blocker to being better at computers than one can be. Having fear
> creates a mind block.
Why would someone with a fear of computers even consi
ROFL. :P I'm just saying that there's *always* room for improvement.
And this install thing is a good start. Automation, with flexibility
intact, is never a bad thing.
On 1/8/06, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 08 January 2006 14:33, Trenton Adams wrote:
> > http://www.gentoo
On Sunday 08 January 2006 14:33, Trenton Adams wrote:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/
>
Looks great to me. Just didn't see any discussion on gentoo-dev or may be I
missed it. So now what do you want then? You have a graphical based install
and once you have a working system, you
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/
On 1/8/06, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 08 January 2006 13:57, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >
> > > Menu of what? How will a Gentoo developer know what you want to install?
> > > If you are starting from Stage 3, you just need to choo
On Sunday 08 January 2006 13:57, Trenton Adams wrote:
>
> > Menu of what? How will a Gentoo developer know what you want to install?
> > If you are starting from Stage 3, you just need to choose what to install
> > and thats it. How will a menu help you in that? As far as graphics based
> > Gentoo
On 1/8/06, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 08 January 2006 06:36, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >
> > Here we go again, who says that you have to limit it to a menu? Give
> > a menu, but allow a graphical shell during install for those that want
> > to do extra packages, or whatever.
On 1/8/06, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 08 January 2006 03:25, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >
> > So, there's documentation that specifically explains that packages can
> > be split, and this can cause a conflict? I tried to find that, after
> >
> What? How is packages being split
On Sunday 08 January 2006 06:36, Trenton Adams wrote:
>
> Here we go again, who says that you have to limit it to a menu? Give
> a menu, but allow a graphical shell during install for those that want
> to do extra packages, or whatever. Or, even provide a dynamically
> extendable menu that can gr
On Sunday 08 January 2006 03:25, Trenton Adams wrote:
>
> So, there's documentation that specifically explains that packages can
> be split, and this can cause a conflict? I tried to find that, after
>
What? How is packages being split even comes in question and why does it need
"specific" docume
Sorry, I shouldn't have said, "Here we go again", as that can be
antogonizing, which doesn't help anything. :(
On 1/7/06, Trenton Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First off all, the install process is only a portion of making gentoo
> *easier*. At it is kind of a tangent to the original discuss
First off all, the install process is only a portion of making gentoo
*easier*. At it is kind of a tangent to the original discussion.
But, none the less, it is a good discussion.
On 1/7/06, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Trenton Adams schreef:
> > Interesting points, but
> >
> > On
Trenton Adams schreef:
> Interesting points, but
>
> On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote:
>>
>>> I like both that my car just works, and I don't have to know how
>>> the pistons go up and down, but that I can also look un
Interesting points, but
On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >
> > I'm just of the mind that we really should encourage it's use, while
> > encouraging people to also understand what's happening under the
> > hood.
> >
> ...a
On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote:
>
> I'm just of the mind that we really should encourage it's use, while
> encouraging people to also understand what's happening under the
> hood.
>
...and how do you suggest that should be done? There is tons of documentation
available fo
Interesting viewpoint, and some of the things you say do have
relevance Holly. Thanks. But, I still think things should be a
little easier for the average user. I'm really sick of the windows
admins who *think* linux is hard, when it's really not, and bash it
all the time because of that. I'm a
On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 07 January 2006 10:43, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >
> > which is what I mentioned in another post that I made. When I
> > originally started with gentoo linux, I read the part about why gentoo
> > linux came about. Basically it was all a
On Saturday 07 January 2006 10:43, Trenton Adams wrote:
>
> which is what I mentioned in another post that I made. When I
> originally started with gentoo linux, I read the part about why gentoo
> linux came about. Basically it was all about doing things the way you
> want. Well, I like the flex
Trenton Adams schreef:
> Oops, forgot to reply to everything.
>
> On 1/6/06, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Trenton Adams schreef:
>>
>>> On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
>>
Oops, forgot to reply to everything.
On 1/6/06, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Trenton Adams schreef:
> > On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >>
> >>
> something like
>
> if_blocked_by('openm
On 1/6/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:14:36 -0800, Zac Medico wrote:
>
> > | if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> > | ewarn "You must unmerge openmotif before proceeding"
> > |
> >
> > It would be icky to have to specify blocker logic/messages like that.
>
> Not i
On 1/6/06, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Trenton Adams schreef:
> > On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >>
> >>
> something like
>
> if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> ewarn "You must u
Trenton Adams schreef:
> On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
>>
>>
something like
if_blocked_by('openmotif')
ewarn "You must unmerge openmotif before proceeding"
>>>
>>>Yes, or as follows...
>>>
>>
On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
>
> > > something like
> > >
> > > if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> > > ewarn "You must unmerge openmotif before proceeding"
> >
> > Yes, or as follows...
> >
> > if_blocked_by('openmot
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:14:36 -0800, Zac Medico wrote:
> | if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> | ewarn "You must unmerge openmotif before proceeding"
> |
>
> It would be icky to have to specify blocker logic/messages like that.
Not in the sort of cases that come up most often, where functionality
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:57:07 +0530, Abhay Kedia wrote:
> > version _after_ the new version has been merged into place. One
> > possible solution would be to have a special feature that, when
> > enabled, allows portage to automatically unmerge an old version
> > _before_ the new one is installed (
On Friday 06 January 2006 06:44, Zac Medico wrote:
>
> version _after_ the new version has been merged into place. One possible
> solution would be to have a special feature that, when enabled, allows
> portage to automatically unmerge an old version _before_ the new one is
> installed (with prote
On 1/5/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/5/06, Trenton Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Calculating world dependencies |
> > emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=dev-perl/PodParser-1.22".
> > (dependency required by "mail-filter/spamassassin-3.1.0" [binary])
>
> This is s
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
> > something like
> >
> > if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> > ewarn "You must unmerge openmotif before proceeding"
>
> Yes, or as follows...
>
> if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> auto_unmerge('openmotif')
> # continue with merge which sh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Neil Bothwick wrote:
| On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:10:38 +, Tom Martin wrote:
|
|>> To the portage developers, how could this be handled? Perhaps emerge
|>> could somehow figure out the reason for such a conflict, and then
|>> automatically unmerge t
On 1/5/06, Trenton Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Calculating world dependencies |
> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=dev-perl/PodParser-1.22".
> (dependency required by "mail-filter/spamassassin-3.1.0" [binary])
This is something that sometimes occurs when you get an out-of-sync
por
Oh, and one other thing. This should also be done for packages that
get moved to different categories, because I've been getting errors
like the following lately...
Calculating world dependencies |
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=dev-perl/PodParser-1.22".
(dependency required by "mail-
On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:08:04 +, Tom Martin wrote:
>
> > > if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> > > ewarn "You must unmerge openmotif before proceeding"
> >
> > An error message like that doesn't really tell the user anything that he
> > doesn't a
On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:10:38 +, Tom Martin wrote:
>
> > > To the portage developers, how could this be handled? Perhaps emerge
> > > could somehow figure out the reason for such a conflict, and then
> > > automatically unmerge the original p
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:08:04 +, Tom Martin wrote:
> > if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> > ewarn "You must unmerge openmotif before proceeding"
>
> An error message like that doesn't really tell the user anything that he
> doesn't already know.
It may not say anything you or I don't know, but f
On 1/5/06, Tom Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would be more useful if some information was provided:
>
> if blocked_by >=x11-libs/openmotif-1.2.3 ; then
> eblockinfo "Due to changes with blah, it is recommended that"
> eblockinfo "you foobar. See http://bugs.gentoo.org/12345
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:41:22 +
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If would be nice is portage had a means for developers to handle these
> types of conflicts in the ebuild. A similar thing happened recently
> with xpdf/poppler, it happened with some FTP servers and the ftp-base
> packag
I ran into this a few days ago. Ah ha, I thought, I just need to update openmotif.Nope, openmotif depended on openmotif-config which was blocked by openmotif.I tried unmasking one, the other, then both all to noavail.
Finally, in frustation I did emerge unmerge openmotif, emerge openmotifand it jus
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:10:38 +, Tom Martin wrote:
> > To the portage developers, how could this be handled? Perhaps emerge
> > could somehow figure out the reason for such a conflict, and then
> > automatically unmerge the original package?
> Not really a question to the portage developers --
Trenton Adams schreef:
> On 1/5/06, Tom Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:29:57 -0700 Trenton Adams
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok, so I get the output below when trying to merge after a sync
>>> today. My guess is that the openmotif package was made into t
On 1/5/06, Tom Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:29:57 -0700
> Trenton Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ok, so I get the output below when trying to merge after a sync today.
> > My guess is that the openmotif package was made into two separate
> > packages, correct?
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 00:29:57 -0700
Trenton Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, so I get the output below when trying to merge after a sync today.
> My guess is that the openmotif package was made into two separate
> packages, correct?
>
> To the portage developers, how could this be handled?
Ok, so I get the output below when trying to merge after a sync today.
My guess is that the openmotif package was made into two separate
packages, correct?
To the portage developers, how could this be handled? Perhaps emerge
could somehow figure out the reason for such a conflict, and then
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