Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-08 Thread Martin Pittle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Justin Findlay wrote: > On AD 2007 January 07 Sunday 11:51:59 PM +0100, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: >> But *I*, as a user (this is -user, after all!) don't feel bothered by >> any kind of bureaucracy. Please explain first why I should take action >> at al

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-08 Thread b.n.
Justin Findlay ha scritto: I don't claim that everybody should contribute the same effort or work or any work at all, but rather that you ought to at least care. Since I am not nor I can be a dev, can you explain me (1)how could I care (2)what kind of effort could I contribute? Contributing no

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:15:43 -0700, Justin Findlay wrote: > You won't be bothered by bureacuracy untill the day you discover that > that package you want has been left months ago to fall into ignominious > forgottenness among the thicket of bugzilla ebuild requests or the day > you discover your fa

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2007 January 07 Sunday 11:51:59 PM +0100, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: > But *I*, as a user (this is -user, after all!) don't feel bothered by > any kind of bureaucracy. Please explain first why I should take action > at all at the moment. And why I shouldn't just go and take the next > distro th

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Dale
b.n. wrote: > Dale ha scritto: > >> He did post this to the dev list. He posted it there first, well, I got >> it there first. I guess he could have sent it to both at the same time. >>> < snip > > > Yes, but why inflaming us? > >>> Me too, but I'm really unsure you're really helping. >>> >>> m.

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Markus Schönhaber
Ivan Sakhalin wrote: > I apologize for intruding onto your mailinglist, but what I wish to say > is > of great enough importance to me. Just my thoughts: if you think you have something important to say, why don't you simply say it but instead start with thoughts about life, universe and

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread b.n.
Dale ha scritto: He did post this to the dev list. He posted it there first, well, I got it there first. I guess he could have sent it to both at the same time. < snip > Yes, but why inflaming us? Me too, but I'm really unsure you're really helping. m. Oh, I just bit the flamebait :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Dale
b.n. wrote: > As a user -not a dev, both because I have not the required knowledge > nor the sparing time- these are my answers: > > < snip > >> These removals even went outside the ranks of developers - the >> hostile >> takeover of some IRC channels has caused unneeded tension between >> grou

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread b.n.
As a user -not a dev, both because I have not the required knowledge nor the sparing time- these are my answers: I apologize for intruding onto your mailinglist, but what I wish to say is of great enough importance to me. You don't "intrude onto my mailing list" with people for something

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:14:26 +0100 "Ivan Sakhalin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > Now, you that have read this far may wonder, what is my point? Quite > simple, > comrades. It is a warning I bring you, and I ask you to stop for a moment and > reflect upon the situation we have rig

[gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Ivan Sakhalin
Dear friends and fellow Gentooists, I apologize for intruding onto your mailinglist, but what I wish to say is of great enough importance to me. My contributions are not much to speak of, and I've been silent for a long time. So I guess, like many before me, I will be stoned as a heretic