Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 09:41:58 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > This isn't a rescue partition, it's just a GRUB menu entry and a copy ¬ > > f the ISO in /boot, so far less maintenance even than making sure a > > USB stick stays put. Plus it is much faster to boot. >

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-23 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Sun, July 21, 2013 01:45, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 07:02:35 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > >> > Yes, and it's mounted ro to minimise the risk of such damage. > >> I used to do this (keeping a rescue partitio) ... but found it was >> useful only some of the time. Nowadays I

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 23.07.2013 00:22, schrieb Paul Hartman: > >> I personally use "discard" with ext4 and btrfs, but I have not done >> tests or have evidence that it is the best choice for me. It's simply >> what I chose and never changed it. :) > > T

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 23.07.2013 00:22, schrieb Paul Hartman: > I personally use "discard" with ext4 and btrfs, but I have not done > tests or have evidence that it is the best choice for me. It's simply > what I chose and never changed it. :) Thanks, Paul! More of a "I do it MY way" than a generic "best practice

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 19.07.2013 21:02, schrieb Paul Hartman: > >> Old SSDs that did not support TRIM would suffer write amplification >> after a certain amount of data had been written to them, but any >> modern SSD and modern OS will keep it nice and t

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Randy Barlow
Stroller wrote: I wouldn't have bothered making this distinction, but I think: 1TB = 1000GB 1Tb = 125GB There are also TiBs[0]: 1 TiB = 1024 GiB Similarly, there are MiB, etc. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tebibyte -- R

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 19.07.2013 21:02, schrieb Paul Hartman: > Old SSDs that did not support TRIM would suffer write amplification > after a certain amount of data had been written to them, but any > modern SSD and modern OS will keep it nice and tidy. What's the "best practice" now for TRIM? I changed to manual

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 21.07.2013 01:45, schrieb Neil Bothwick: > This sin't a rescue partition, it's just a GRUB menu entry and a > copy f the ISO in /boot, so far less maintenance even than making > sure a USB stick stays put. Plus it is much faster to boot. Yep, I got that set up as well when I did my GRUB2-learn

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 20.07.2013 05:32, schrieb luis jure: > on 2013-07-20 at 09:51 William Kenworthy wrote: > >> You have to map the drive so grub can find it: > > no, i don't think that's the problem. > > the problem is that with GPT disks you need a BIOS Boot Partition since > they don't have a MBR. is that cor

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 21 Jul 2013 10:21:45 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:14:22 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > What a lot of work! > > Yes, probably too much. > > > Oh, or I could sacrifice (part of) a swap partition to expand /boot > > into. > > That would be easier, you could always add m

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 04:50:42 -0500, Dale wrote: > > That's the one with Mel Gibson? > > > > > > It starts with a B. Ironic huh? Actually, his surname appears to mean "son of a GibiBit" ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Hm..what's this red button fo|'».'NO CARRIER signature.asc Description: PGP sign

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:57:24 +0100, Mick wrote: > > Actually, portage looks for enough space before even starting and > > still does. However, when I force it to ignore it, it stops and says > > it ran out of space. I'd just rather it didn't use swap anyway. > > Either way, OOo and LOo used to n

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Sunday 21 Jul 2013 10:40:11 Dale wrote: Actually, portage looks for enough space before even starting and still does. However, when I force it to ignore it, it stops and says it ran out of space. I'd just rather it didn't use swap anyway. Either way, OOo and LOo used to need l

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Mick
On Sunday 21 Jul 2013 10:40:11 Dale wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Saturday 20 Jul 2013 06:12:40 Dale wrote: > >> Bruce Hill wrote: > >>> If 16GB of RAM wasn't enough, ydiw. I've used that line of 7G forever, > >>> and run app-office/libreoffice, as well as firefox and some other big > >>> app (forget

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:50:29 -0500, Dale wrote: Neil, you know how payback is right? ROFL That's the one with Mel Gibson? It starts with a B. Ironic huh? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:02:48 -0500, Dale wrote: I also keep the last two versions of sysrescue for my USB stick. How do you copy one to a stick when you need to rescue an unbootable system? I prefer to keep the ISO in /boot, no need for a USB stick then. It's hard to p

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Saturday 20 Jul 2013 06:12:40 Dale wrote: Bruce Hill wrote: If 16GB of RAM wasn't enough, ydiw. I've used that line of 7G forever, and run app-office/libreoffice, as well as firefox and some other big app (forget it's name) and _never_ had a problem. Well, a while back, OOo and

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 10:14:22 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > This sin't a rescue partition, it's just a GRUB menu entry and a copy > > f the ISO in /boot, so far less maintenance even than making sure a > > USB stick stays put. Plus it is much faster to boot. > > An interesting idea you presen

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 21 Jul 2013 00:45:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 07:02:35 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > > > Yes, and it's mounted ro to minimise the risk of such damage. > > > > I used to do this (keeping a rescue partitio) ... but found it was > > useful only some of the time. Nowad

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-21 Thread Mick
On Saturday 20 Jul 2013 06:12:40 Dale wrote: > Bruce Hill wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:34:27PM -0500, Dale wrote: > >>> Stop using disk and build in RAM: > >>> > >>> tmpfs /var/tmp/portagetmpfs > >>> size=7000M,nr_inodes=1M 0 0 tmpfs /

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 07:02:35 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > > Yes, and it's mounted ro to minimise the risk of such damage. > I used to do this (keeping a rescue partitio) ... but found it was > useful only some of the time. Nowadays I just leave a sysrescuecd USB > key on top of the case :)

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread William Kenworthy
On 21/07/13 06:42, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:38:59 -0500, Bruce Hill wrote: > >>> A known, good kernel is not much help if your root filesystem is >>> damaged, although I do make sure I always have at least one such >>> kernel in /boot. > >> Thanks. I assume you must have a se

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:38:59 -0500, Bruce Hill wrote: > > A known, good kernel is not much help if your root filesystem is > > damaged, although I do make sure I always have at least one such > > kernel in /boot. > Thanks. I assume you must have a separate /boot partition in case "your > root fil

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:20:30PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > Would you mind a short HOW-TO for that, including {lilo,grub}.conf? > > http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_Easy_install_SystemRescueCd_on_harddisk#Boot_the_ISO_image_from_the_disk_using_Grub2 > > > And would this on

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:00:21 -0500, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 10:43:39PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > How do you copy one to a stick when you need to rescue an unbootable > > system? I prefer to keep the ISO in /boot, no need for a USB stick > > then. > > Would you mind

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 10:43:39PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > How do you copy one to a stick when you need to rescue an unbootable > system? I prefer to keep the ISO in /boot, no need for a USB stick then. Would you mind a short HOW-TO for that, including {lilo,grub}.conf? And would this on

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:50:29 -0500, Dale wrote: > Neil, you know how payback is right? ROFL That's the one with Mel Gibson? -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 35: Legally drunk signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:26:04 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Remember, he's an Englishman and they don't do slapstick humour, they do > clever and subtle humour. Have you never seen Monty Python or The Goodies? PS, let me know when you think this is getting off-topic... -- Neil Bothwick If at

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:50:47 -0500, Dale wrote: > Changing the case of the b around is not going to change what space my > data consumes or what a drive can hold. No, but it does change the meaning of what you are saying it uses, and invalidates your sig in the process :) Remember *nix is case-

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:02:48 -0500, Dale wrote: > I > also keep the last two versions of sysrescue for my USB stick. How do you copy one to a stick when you need to rescue an unbootable system? I prefer to keep the ISO in /boot, no need for a USB stick then. -- Neil Bothwick By the time you

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Dale
pk wrote: On 2013-07-20 13:59, luis jure wrote: the average home user has lots of useless crap. i know *i* do... Yes, I do too... So the answer is smaller disks in order not to accumulate so much crap! ;-) Best regards Peter K I have to say, most of mine is useful stuff. I have smaller

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 20 Jul 2013 12:26:04 Alan McKinnon wrote: Neil is jerking your chain :-) Remember, he's an Englishman and they don't do slapstick humour, they do clever and subtle humour. I'm another, and I've been tempted to make the same observation as Neil did, but I woul

Re: SSDs, VM SANs & RAID - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Jul 20, 2013 9:27 PM, "Tanstaafl" wrote: > > On 2013-07-19 3:02 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: >> >> I think you are. Unless you are moving massive terabytes of data >> across your drive on a constant basis I would not worry about regular >> everyday write activity being a problem. > > > I have a que

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread pk
On 2013-07-20 13:59, luis jure wrote: >the average home user has lots of useless crap. i know > *i* do... Yes, I do too... So the answer is smaller disks in order not to accumulate so much crap! ;-) Best regards Peter K

SSDs, VM SANs & RAID - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-07-19 3:02 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: I think you are. Unless you are moving massive terabytes of data across your drive on a constant basis I would not worry about regular everyday write activity being a problem. I have a question regarding the use of SSDs in a VM SAN... We are consider

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 20 Jul 2013 12:26:04 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Neil is jerking your chain :-) > > Remember, he's an Englishman and they don't do slapstick humour, they do > clever and subtle humour. I'm another, and I've been tempted to make the same observation as Neil did, but I wouldn't have been s

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-20 at 09:42 pk wrote: > On 2013-07-20 01:23, luis jure wrote: > > > hehe... i guess neil meant that in average for each Tb you have in your > > disk, only 125Mb is really important or useful. the rest is crap that > > just piles up... > > > > No, 1Tb = 125GB (note the difference betw

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 20/07/2013 01:03, Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: >> >>> My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying >>> one big enough for all that. >> 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P >> >> Switching to an SSD, partic

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-20 Thread pk
On 2013-07-20 01:23, luis jure wrote: > hehe... i guess neil meant that in average for each Tb you have in your > disk, only 125Mb is really important or useful. the rest is crap that just > piles up... > No, 1Tb = 125GB (note the difference between Tb = Tbit and TB=TByte)... Best regards Pete

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-19 Thread Thomas Mueller
from luis jure : > on 2013-07-20 at 09:51 William Kenworthy wrote: > You have to map the drive so grub can find it: > no, i don't think that's the problem. > the problem is that with GPT disks you need a BIOS Boot Partition since > they don't have a MBR. is that correct?

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:34:27PM -0500, Dale wrote: Stop using disk and build in RAM: tmpfs /var/tmp/portagetmpfs size=7000M,nr_inodes=1M 0 0 tmpfs /dev/shmtmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0 wo

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-20 at 09:51 William Kenworthy wrote: > You have to map the drive so grub can find it: no, i don't think that's the problem. the problem is that with GPT disks you need a BIOS Boot Partition since they don't have a MBR. is that correct? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Instal

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Stroller
On 19 July 2013, at 19:58, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:45:36 +0100, Mick wrote: > >> I have a MUCH smaller /home than Dale and on a new box I was thinking >> of having it on a HDD, along with all things portage related. >> … /home is written all the >> time with mail and vario

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:34:27PM -0500, Dale wrote: > > Stop using disk and build in RAM: > > > > tmpfs /var/tmp/portagetmpfs > > size=7000M,nr_inodes=1M 0 0 > > tmpfs /dev/shmtmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec > > 0 0 >

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Stroller
On 20 July 2013, at 00:03, Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: >> >>> My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying >>> one big enough for all that. >> >> 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P >> ... > > Mine is m

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-19 Thread William Kenworthy
On 20/07/13 07:44, luis jure wrote: > > > from my recent experience, a caveat if you're using GPT to partition your > disk and intend to boot from it: grub won't install on the disk (at least > if you have an old plain BIOS system, i understand this doesn't happen with > UEFI ??? ). > > when i t

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:58:59PM -0300, luis jure wrote: i had a 30Tb partition for my system in my old HDD, and the breathing space wasn't quite "plenty". often i found myself with less than the 6Gb free required by libreoffice to compile, and i had to clean up a bit. other

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Mick
On Friday 19 Jul 2013 17:43:39 Dale wrote: > luis jure wrote: > > on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: > >> Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? > > > > well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm > > not sure yet, i might keep /home on a HDD and mount the partition o

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bruce Hill wrote: > I won't buy any SATA > mechanical drives except Hitachi. Hitachi's storage division was sold off and split up last year. Their 2.5" HDD and SDD lines now belong to Western Digital (who continue to sell the *Star models under the "HGST" brand n

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:58:59PM -0300, luis jure wrote: > > i had a 30Tb partition for my system in my old HDD, and the breathing > space wasn't quite "plenty". often i found myself with less than the 6Gb > free required by libreoffice to compile, and i had to clean up a bit. > other than that

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:34:31PM -0300, luis jure wrote: > on 2013-07-19 at 17:11 Bruce Hill wrote: > > > Do some meaningful benchmark... > > > > emerge -ajv app-benchmarks/bonnie++ && bonnie++ -d /tmp -u root > > > > then post us your output. > > mmm... /tmp is on the root partition that's o

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying one big enough for all that. 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P Switching t

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 18:39 Dale wrote: > Ahh, that makes sense. Thing is, I can't get rid of family photos or my > videos. Nope, just ain't happening. yeah, the same here... my 2Tb HD was almost full, so i bought a new 4Tb disk. and it's a nice feeling having all that space free... > I think I c

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: >> >>> My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying >>> one big enough for all that. >> >> 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P >> >> Switchin

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 18:39 Dale wrote: I think I could get my OS on a 30Gb SSD with no problem and plenty of breathing room. i had a 30Tb partition for my system in my old HDD, and the breathing space wasn't quite "plenty". often i found myself with less than the 6Gb free require

[gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
from my recent experience, a caveat if you're using GPT to partition your disk and intend to boot from it: grub won't install on the disk (at least if you have an old plain BIOS system, i understand this doesn't happen with UEFI ??? ). when i tried to run grub2-install i got this error message:

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 18:03 Dale wrote: Mine is mostly videos and some smaller amount of pics. 1 Tb is 125Gb? 1Tb is 1,000Gb or so. hehe... i guess neil meant that in average for each Tb you have in your disk, only 125Mb is really important or useful. the rest is crap that just pi

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 12:47 Bruce Hill wrote: The OCZs I've purchased have 3-5 year warranty, also. Most of the mechanical hard drives you purchase today only have one year. I won't buy any SATA mechanical drives except Hitachi. i got 5 years on a 4Tb western digital caviar black i

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 17:11 Bruce Hill wrote: > Do some meaningful benchmark... > > emerge -ajv app-benchmarks/bonnie++ && bonnie++ -d /tmp -u root > > then post us your output. mmm... /tmp is on the root partition that's only about 40 Gb (in my old HDD / was 30Gb, and that was enough, but sometimes

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 18:03 Dale wrote: > Mine is mostly videos and some smaller amount of pics. 1 Tb is 125Gb? > 1Tb is 1,000Gb or so. hehe... i guess neil meant that in average for each Tb you have in your disk, only 125Mb is really important or useful. the rest is crap that just piles up...

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 06:29:21AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: > > One "odd" condition I ran into twice with the ssd + btrfs were > filesystems about half full but cant write to because the filesystem was > full! > > After messy crashes it seemed like btrfs would "lose" some > files/sectors/w

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying one big enough for all that. 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P Switching to an SSD, particularly on a laptop where you can't add a second driv

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread William Kenworthy
On 20/07/13 00:43, Dale wrote: > luis jure wrote: >> on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: >> >>> Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? >> well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm >> not >> sure yet, i might keep /home on a HDD and mount the partition on the >> SSD as

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
hi, i just booted my "new" system. migration using rsync was smooth. i had to fight a little with grub2 and gpt, but now it seems everything is working fine. the system has been up just a few minutes, so i haven't had time to do much. but i tried eix-sync and it seemed to me it went much faster.

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 07:00:59PM -0300, luis jure wrote: > > the system has been up just a few minutes, so i haven't had time to do > much. but i tried eix-sync and it seemed to me it went much faster. also > libreoffice opened in i think less than 2 seconds, instead of several > seconds like in

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 12:47 Bruce Hill wrote: > The OCZs I've purchased have 3-5 year warranty, also. Most of the > mechanical hard drives you purchase today only have one year. I won't > buy any SATA mechanical drives except Hitachi. i got 5 years on a 4Tb western digital caviar black i bought a coup

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm not sure yet, i might keep /home on a HDD and mount the partition on the SSD as a directory under /home for some special uses. or

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Mick wrote: > On Friday 19 Jul 2013 17:43:39 Dale wrote: >> luis jure wrote: >> > on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: >> >> Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? >> > >> > well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm >> > not sure yet,

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Dale wrote: > My /home is over 1Tb, that is Tb too. I'm not buying > one big enough for all that. 1Tb is only 125GB, well within the capacity of current SSDs :P Switching to an SSD, particularly on a laptop where you can't add a second drive, really helps you

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 19:45:36 +0100, Mick wrote: > I have a MUCH smaller /home than Dale and on a new box I was thinking > of having it on a HDD, along with all things portage related. I > typically resync 3 -4 times a week but I am not sure how much > erase/write cycles this represents. Also, /h

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 03:55:37AM -0500, Dale wrote: > > Now I really feel about better getting one. That was my concern and > reason for the question. I'm sure /home gets its share of reads and > writes and was thinking the writes would cause a problem over time. > Maybe they are better now

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-19 at 01:56 Dale wrote: > Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? well, not actually the whole /home, the SSD is too small for that. i'm not sure yet, i might keep /home on a HDD and mount the partition on the SSD as a directory under /home for some special uses. or the other way aro

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Dale wrote: > Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? My first step into SSD on my desktop was to put everything-but-home onto it. I left home on a HDD. Speedup was very noticeable! Especially portage-related things were very much faster (accessing thousands of

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Helmut Jarausch
On 07/19/2013 11:33:33 AM, Randolph Maaßen wrote: 2013/7/19 Dale > > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> SSDs are not like USB flash drives, and it's been years since I managed >> to wear one of those out (mainly due to a kernel bug). They have >> lifetimes similar to spinny disks these days. Perhaps t

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Randolph Maaßen
2013/7/19 Dale > > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:22:11 -0500, Dale wrote: >> > Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? Why not? /home is the most frequently-read directory on most systems, and SSD is ideal for that. If you are concerned

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:22:11 -0500, Dale wrote: Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? Why not? /home is the most frequently-read directory on most systems, and SSD is ideal for that. If you are concerned about wear-levelling, /home is not the danger point Interestin

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:22:11 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> Do you really want to put /home on a SSD? > > > > Why not? > > > > /home is the most frequently-read directory on most systems, and SSD > > is ideal for that. > > > > If you are concerned about wear-levelling, /home is not the danger > > point

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 19/07/2013 08:56, Dale wrote: luis jure wrote: hello list, i want to migrate my system, currently in a HD, to a new SSD. i thought it would be easy, but i decided to read a little before partitioning the disk (my first SDD) and now i'm really confused... i intend to ha

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 19/07/2013 08:56, Dale wrote: > luis jure wrote: >> >> hello list, >> >> i want to migrate my system, currently in a HD, to a new SSD. i >> thought it >> would be easy, but i decided to read a little before partitioning the >> disk >> (my first SDD) and now i'm really confused... >> >> i intend

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-18 Thread Dale
luis jure wrote: hello list, i want to migrate my system, currently in a HD, to a new SSD. i thought it would be easy, but i decided to read a little before partitioning the disk (my first SDD) and now i'm really confused... i intend to have only two partitions in the SSD: one for / and the ot

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-18 Thread Davide De Prisco
2013/7/19 luis jure > on 2013-07-18 at 23:40 Davide De Prisco wrote: > > > > I created partitions with fdisk and then I usually push all in with dd > > from the old disk. For the grub you can install it like a normal disk. > > did you use GPT or plain old MBR? so there's nothing special with grub

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-18 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-18 at 17:23 Paul Hartman wrote: > Hi! hi paul, thanks for your detailed answer! > 1. partition SSD (start sector at a multiple of 1MB to ensure proper > alignment) 2. format new partitions using discard-capable filesystem > like ext4, xfs, btrfs yes and yes (using ext4) > 4. rsync

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-18 Thread William Kenworthy
On 19/07/13 06:23, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:22 PM, luis jure wrote: >> >> >> hello list, > > Hi! > >> i want to migrate my system, currently in a HD, to a new SSD. i thought it >> would be easy, but i decided to read a little before partitioning the disk >> (my first SDD)

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-18 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:22 PM, luis jure wrote: > > > hello list, Hi! > i want to migrate my system, currently in a HD, to a new SSD. i thought it > would be easy, but i decided to read a little before partitioning the disk > (my first SDD) and now i'm really confused... > > i intend to have o

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-18 Thread luis jure
on 2013-07-18 at 23:40 Davide De Prisco wrote: > I created partitions with fdisk and then I usually push all in with dd > from the old disk. For the grub you can install it like a normal disk. did you use GPT or plain old MBR? so there's nothing special with grub and gpt partitioned disks? than

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-18 Thread Davide De Prisco
I used ssd from workstation to server. I created partitions with fdisk and then I usually push all in with dd from the old disk. For the grub you can install it like a normal disk. If you want you can install a new system and then copy the home directory. The only directory that you can put on a no

[gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-18 Thread luis jure
hello list, i want to migrate my system, currently in a HD, to a new SSD. i thought it would be easy, but i decided to read a little before partitioning the disk (my first SDD) and now i'm really confused... i intend to have only two partitions in the SSD: one for / and the other for /home. i h