Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-08-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:46:04 -0500, »Q« wrote: > > "Everything is a file", nor does the man page say anything about not > > using it to mask out directories. Bearing in mind that this is the > > means chosen by the devs, it is reasonable to assume that it is > > practicable. > > Elsewhere, man m

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-08-01 Thread »Q«
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:15:28 +0100 Neil Bothwick w > On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 06:24:17 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > You can use it to prevent ebuilds from installing unit files > > > or open-rc scripts from doing so (based on what you want to > > > opt-out of). > > > > From the man page...

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread walt
On 07/31/2013 11:09 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > There's an idea floating around that openrc could use systemd unit files > but it's still just an idea. I must have crossed the line into grumpy-old-man-hood. That idea is insane. Someone is willing to re-write udev to use Lennart's config files but

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 06:31:36PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: > > In standard, formal English, that's correct. > > However, in some English dialects, a double-negatve does not equate to > a positive. A double negative is simply a stronger negative. For > example, "don't do nothing" is a strong

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-07-31, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Pel?ez Vald?s wrote: >>> >>> Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly >>> some of the statements made here about systemd - that there will be >>> files installed to /etc/init.d/ that don't a

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 30/07/2013 17:04, Pavel Volkov wrote: It is reliable, but for now I'll suggest adding "-consolekit" line into /etc/portage/profile/use.force (at least if you use default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/kde profile like me) Good news, we will be making changes with KDE 4.11 so that we no longer fo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:36:31 -0500, »Q« wrote: > > If this really is 'the one true way' to 'totally opt out of systemd', > > then in my opinion there should be a very thorough example of *how* > > to 'opt out of systemd' included in the man page. > > I'd rather not see man make.conf cluttered

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread »Q«
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:24:09 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-07-31 8:41 AM, Yohan Pereira wrote: > > On 31/07/13 at 08:30am, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> So, how should this be used to 'opt out of systemd completely'? > > > > from main make.conf > > "Use this variable if you want to selectively

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 31/07/13 18:26, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many packages will install systemd unit files in /urs/lib/systemd/system. Th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-30 Thread Pavel Volkov
On Monday 29 July 2013 14:04:38 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 28/07/13 11:22, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > Basically, systemd is now a first class citizen in Gentoo (on par with > > OpenRC) > > This is great. Thanks to everyone involved! > > Does someone know whether a KDE system can work relia

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-29 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 28/07/13 11:22, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: Basically, systemd is now a first class citizen in Gentoo (on par with OpenRC) This is great. Thanks to everyone involved! Does someone know whether a KDE system can work reliably with systemd, or there still issues?

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-28 Thread »Q«
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 03:22:02 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Basically, systemd is now a first class citizen in Gentoo (on par with > OpenRC), and therefore there is no need at all for using my overlay. > Thanks to all the people who helped me with pull requests and > comments; the deprecation