[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-12-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-26, Gevisz wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:02:49 + (UTC) Grant Edwards > wrote: > >> On 2014-11-25, Maxim Wexler wrote: >> >> >> >> No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible >> >> in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really >> >> *forc

[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 03:46:06PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > It sounds really cool Sabayon, I should probably try it one of these days. I'd say it's my favorite distro. Sadly, equo still doesn't know how to "depclean". -- Nicolas Sebrecht

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Gevisz wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:02:49 + (UTC) Grant Edwards >> wrote: > > >>> I prefer Gentoo over Ubuntu for a host of other reasons, but switching >>> from Ubuntu to Gentoo just to get a different des

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Gevisz wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:02:49 + (UTC) Grant Edwards > wrote: >> I prefer Gentoo over Ubuntu for a host of other reasons, but switching >> from Ubuntu to Gentoo just to get a different desktop seems like >> overkill. > > Strange enough but acc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-27 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Some devs take this stuff too personally. Only the devs? LOL

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:02:49 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-11-25, Maxim Wexler wrote: > >> > >> No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible > >> in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really > >> *forced* their users to accept the new place

[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-25, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 25/11/2014 18:35, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2014-11-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> There is only the one that portage will happen to install should you not >>> specify a preference. >> >> If "default" doesn't mean "what will happen should you not speci

[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-25, Maxim Wexler wrote: >> >> No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible >> in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really >> *forced* their users to accept the new place of the closing window >> frame button and have argued that it is more ergon

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/11/2014 18:35, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-11-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> There is only the one that portage will happen to install should you not >> specify a preference. > > If "default" doesn't mean "what will happen should you not specify a > preference", then what _does_ "default

[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: > There is only the one that portage will happen to install should you not > specify a preference. If "default" doesn't mean "what will happen should you not specify a preference", then what _does_ "default" mean? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwar

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/11/2014 23:45, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/23/2014 4:21 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> There is no such thing as the "default init system". >> >> There is only the one that portage will happen to install should you not >> specify a preference. > > Lol! > > That is what I would call a 'default'..

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/23/2014 4:21 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > There is no such thing as the "default init system". > > There is only the one that portage will happen to install should you not > specify a preference. Lol! That is what I would call a 'default'...

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/11/2014 22:25, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/23/2014 2:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> The current Gentoo policy is that maintainers cannot block other devs >> from adding support for systemd/openrc/etc to their packages if they >> lack such support. Gentoo policy does NOT require maintainers to >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/11/2014 20:35, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/23/2014 1:00 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:44:12PM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> Since OpenRC is the *default* - for now at least - it is *king*, and >>> systemd is the red-headed step-child, and as such OpenRC is and will be

[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 02:34:52PM -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > Oh my. So it's the name of the project and (one) author? All the > design and ideas behind it are irrelevant then? > > You just gave me the most perfect justification to never ever take you > seriously in this subject. > > Go

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:25:07 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > The current Gentoo policy is that maintainers cannot block other devs > > > from adding support for systemd/openrc/etc to their packages if they > > > lack such support. Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:25:07 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > > The current Gentoo policy is that maintainers cannot block other devs > > from adding support for systemd/openrc/etc to their packages if they > > lack such support. Gentoo policy does NOT require maintainers to > > support any particular i

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/23/2014 2:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > The current Gentoo policy is that maintainers cannot block other devs > from adding support for systemd/openrc/etc to their packages if they > lack such support. Gentoo policy does NOT require maintainers to > support any particular init system. > > I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Irrelevant. Since OpenRC is the default init system, any package that > doesn't work properly with it would, by definition, be a bug that must > be fixed - if the maintainer wants their package to be marked as > stable/usable by 99.99% of gento

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/23/2014 1:00 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:44:12PM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: >> Since OpenRC is the *default* - for now at least - it is *king*, and >> systemd is the red-headed step-child, and as such OpenRC is and will be >> 100% fully supported. >> >> With that in

[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-23 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:44:12PM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > This is really an incorrect (and even borderline arrogant) answer... > > To answer the OPs question correctly... > > Since OpenRC is the *default* - for now at least - it is *king*, and > systemd is the red-headed step-child, and as su