On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Barry Jibb wrote:
> On 22/05/10 21:26, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Nikos Chantziaras
> > wrote: [snip]
> >
> >> I don't do professional audio. I have a normal PC. And just like I
> >> sometimes use a synth in Windows (I'm just a hobbyi
On 22/05/10 21:26, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
[snip]
I don't do professional audio. I have a normal PC. And just like I
sometimes use a synth in Windows (I'm just a hobbyist), I'd like to do the
same in Linux.
You can; but y
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
[snip]
> I don't do professional audio. I have a normal PC. And just like I
> sometimes use a synth in Windows (I'm just a hobbyist), I'd like to do the
> same in Linux.
You can; but you have to use special software, because yours is a
s
On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 05/22/2010 07:59 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Nikos Chantziaras
wrote:
> >> Latency is the delay between giving the order to play a sound and the
> >> sound actually being played. It's usually around 30m
On 05/22/2010 07:59 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Latency is the delay between giving the order to play a sound and the sound
actually being played. It's usually around 30ms here with ALSA/dmix, and
around 10ms with OSS/vmix. It's not
On Samstag 22 Mai 2010, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> [...]
>
> > because you're not using software that needs good latency, like software
> > synthesizers) but I do.
>
> Then you're doing it wrong. If you are doing professional audio (a
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Latency is the delay between giving the order to play a sound and the sound
> actually being played. It's usually around 30ms here with ALSA/dmix, and
> around 10ms with OSS/vmix. It's not funny trying to play something in a
> software
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
[...]
> because you're not using software that needs good latency, like software
> synthesizers) but I do.
Then you're doing it wrong. If you are doing professional audio (a
little fact, that, by the way, you *NEVER* mentioned; you talked
On 05/21/2010 10:38 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Freitag 21 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
You don't mind the lag (there is lag, no way around it, you just don't
mind because you're not using software that needs good latency, like
software synthesizers) but I do. So stop trying to co
On Freitag 21 Mai 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 05/21/2010 09:26 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Nikos Chantziaras
wrote:
> >> Then why does dmix lag?
> >> Then why does dmix lag?
> >
> > I don't know; I don't care. I don't use dmix, I use PulseAudio, an
On 05/21/2010 09:26 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Then why does dmix lag?
Then why does dmix lag?
I don't know; I don't care. I don't use dmix, I use PulseAudio, and it
takes care of everything in user space and I don't have to worry
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Then why does dmix lag?
> Then why does dmix lag?
I don't know; I don't care. I don't use dmix, I use PulseAudio, and it
takes care of everything in user space and I don't have to worry about
anything.
> I've tried it 6 days ago. Ubunt
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Jonathan
wrote:
[snip]
> Windows "works" for many people it does not make it the best OS or the only
> one.
> In Ubuntu they went from oss to PulseAudio.
> I bet that 90% of Ubuntu users do not know that PulseAudio uses Alsa.
What it has to do with anthing? I'm n
On 05/21/2010 02:03 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Because as soon as you disable ALSA dmix and/or Pulse, suddenly you get
acceptable sound latency.
With OSS4, which has in-kernel mixing, it doesn't matter if you enable the
mixer or dis
>Sorry, but I believe the you are the one being pretentious; how long
>has been since you tried PulseAudio? It has come a lng way, and I
>haven't seen any real flames against PulseAudio in many months (and
>it's enabled in all major distributions). And that is because it's
>working (I repeat my
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Because as soon as you disable ALSA dmix and/or Pulse, suddenly you get
> acceptable sound latency.
>
> With OSS4, which has in-kernel mixing, it doesn't matter if you enable the
> mixer or disable it; sound always has acceptable latency.
On 05/20/2010 10:25 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
[snip]
What doesn't work is PulseAudio, actually. Too many problems with it. Pulse
is simply broken by design; it's too far from the kernel to be any good.
If I may use (most of) your
On Thursday 20 May 2010 21:25:36 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > What doesn't work is PulseAudio, actually. Too many problems with it.
> > Pulse is simply broken by design; it's too far from the kernel to be any
> > good.
>
> If I may use (most of) your words: "Well, it works here. It's been
> ro
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
[snip]
> What doesn't work is PulseAudio, actually. Too many problems with it. Pulse
> is simply broken by design; it's too far from the kernel to be any good.
If I may use (most of) your words: "Well, it works here. It's been
rock-solid
On 05/20/2010 09:44 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/20/2010 08:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Don't
even mention OSS4; the sound architecture goes in user space, not the
kernel.
I don't care where they go (why the hell sho
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
[snip
> (And doesn't really matters, but I haven't heard that it's possible to
> switch audio from internal speakers to bluetooth headset with OSS4, so
> as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't work.)
With just a few clicks, I should add.
R
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 05/20/2010 08:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> Don't
>> even mention OSS4; the sound architecture goes in user space, not the
>> kernel.
>
> I don't care where they go (why the hell should I?), for as long as they
> work.
You
On 05/20/2010 08:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Don't
even mention OSS4; the sound architecture goes in user space, not the
kernel.
I don't care where they go (why the hell should I?), for as long as they
work.
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
[snip]
> Like an earlier poster suggested, PulseAudio looks like a hammer in search of
> a nail.
I have a bluetooth headset. I set it up with gnome-bluetooth, and with
PulseAudio I can dynamically redirect the output in my laptop from the
spea
On Thursday 20 May 2010 10:40:33 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 05/20/2010 11:15 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Wednesday 19 May 2010 23:56:39 walt wrote:
[snip]
> >> Well, since I'm first to answer I get to inject my prejudices first :)
> >>
> >> I think pulse is a very long answer to a very s
> I think pulse is a very long answer to a very short question and so I did
> away with it months ago. And I haven't regretted it.
>
> Truly, I think very few people need pulse outside of professionals who work
> in film or music. The main reason others have disagreed with my opinion is
> becaus
On 05/20/2010 11:15 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Wednesday 19 May 2010 23:56:39 walt wrote:
On 05/19/2010 12:59 PM, Fabian Köster wrote:
Hi *,
I am currently trying to use Phonon and PulseAudio and have the following
problem:
When I play some Video with a Non-KDE application like VLC everythin
On Wednesday 19 May 2010 23:56:39 walt wrote:
> On 05/19/2010 12:59 PM, Fabian Köster wrote:
> > Hi *,
> >
> > I am currently trying to use Phonon and PulseAudio and have the following
> > problem:
> >
> > When I play some Video with a Non-KDE application like VLC everything is
> > perfectly dire
On 05/19/2010 12:59 PM, Fabian Köster wrote:
Hi *,
I am currently trying to use Phonon and PulseAudio and have the following
problem:
When I play some Video with a Non-KDE application like VLC everything is
perfectly directed to the local PulseAudio running on my machine and i have
the expected
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