Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2011-01-01 Thread Grant
>> The only advice I've got is to do things in increments as small as >> possible.  Don't do "big bang" integration.  Make sure there is a >> runnable testable program after the first week of development. Maybe >> it doesn't implement any significant features, but you must have >> something runnabl

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-12-29 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Grant Edwards wrote: > The only advice I've got is to do things in increments as small as > possible. Don't do "big bang" integration. Make sure there is a > runnable testable program after the first week of development. Maybe > it doesn't implement any significant features, but you must have

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-14 Thread Francesco Talamona
On Saturday 13 November 2010, Grant wrote: > I don't need encouragement, I need advice. :) In the end it isn't a technical problem, it is a question of trust. > > The questions are: > > > > 1) The relative sizes of the problems? > > No problems really. It's just kind of a never-ending project

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-13 Thread Grant
>> Great advice from everyone, thank you.  By hiring coders, the >> intention is to save myself time and effort but it sounds like I would >> only be replacing one problem with another. > > I hope I wasn't too discouraging, but you're definitely replacing one > problem with another. I don't need e

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-13 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-11-13, Grant wrote: Have you ever managed a programming team before? >>> >>> I haven't. ?Any pointers? >> >> Not really. ?Just be prepared for the programmers to misunderstand the >> specification at every turn. ?And once they've understood the spec, be >> prepared for them to just p

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-13 Thread Grant
Should I only hire coders I can sit in the same room with? >>> >>> That will probably work best, but it will cost more. >>> >>> Have you ever managed a programming team before? >> >> I haven't.  Any pointers? > > Not really.  Just be prepared for the programmers to misunderstand the > specific

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-12 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 11/09/2010 06:52 AM, Grant wrote: This is OT, but you guys have proven extremely insightful over the years and I would love to hear what you think. I've been working on a particular software project for a long time. I'd like to hire a team of developers to take over the project, but I conside

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-11-11, Grant wrote: >>> Should I only hire coders I can sit in the same room with? >> >> That will probably work best, but it will cost more. >> >> Have you ever managed a programming team before? > > I haven't. Any pointers? Not really. Just be prepared for the programmers to misunder

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-12 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 11 November 2010 17:33:25 Grant wrote: > > Have you ever managed a programming team before? > > I haven't. Any pointers? Good grief! The literature is full of weighty tomes on the subject, and copious advice is available in multiple news groups - and no doubt e- mail lists too by n

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-11 Thread Grant
>>> Grant, you need to stop being paranoid. ?I am surprised you even >>> worked up the courage to let slip on here, in public, that you even >>> have a sooper dooper sekrit project. >> >> This seems to be the general consensus.  You see, I don't have a >> computer science degree and about 75% of wh

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-11-11, Grant wrote: >> Grant, you need to stop being paranoid. ?I am surprised you even >> worked up the courage to let slip on here, in public, that you even >> have a sooper dooper sekrit project. > > This seems to be the general consensus. You see, I don't have a > computer science deg

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-10 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 10.11.2010 06:56, schrieb Grant Edwards: > On 2010-11-09, Florian Philipp wrote: > >> Well, there are two ways to go here: > >> 1. Modularize what you have. Give every developer only the source he >>is supposed to work on and binary interfaces (libs + header files >>for C/C++) and doc

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-11-09, Mark Knecht wrote: >> I don't mind system administration but I don't want to be a programmer >> any more. ??I'd like to hire programmers to work in the manner >> described above. ??They would each work on modules and not know about >> the system as a whole. ??How can something like

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-11-09, Florian Philipp wrote: > Well, there are two ways to go here: > 1. Modularize what you have. Give every developer only the source he >is supposed to work on and binary interfaces (libs + header files >for C/C++) and documentation for everything else. > >Then the devs w

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-11-09, Grant wrote: >> So is your question really "how do I modularize my code"? > > I'm most interested in the part about developers not knowing about > the system as a whole. I'd like developers to work on my code, but > prevent them from selling the code or using it themselves. Have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 09.11.2010 19:08, schrieb Grant: >>> "Theoretically, a modularized software project will be more easily >>> assembled by large teams, since no team members are creating the whole >>> system, or even need to know about the system as a whole. They can >>> focus just on the assigned smaller task."

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:08 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, Grant did opine thusly: > It sounds like I'm really going against the grain here. Is it > standard practice to hire a developer on the internet from any given > country, never meet him or her, have them fax a signed NDA, and turn

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
On 9 November 2010 10:08, Grant wrote: > It sounds like I'm really going against the grain here.  Is it > standard practice to hire a developer on the internet from any given > country, never meet him or her, have them fax a signed NDA, and turn > over your biggest asset to them? :-) No way. :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Jacob Todd
Only expose the teams to what they need, give them prototypes and discriptions to the other parts. Like a man page. On Nov 9, 2010 12:16 PM, "Grant" wrote: >> Read the OP again. He wants to obsfuscate the code to make it >> unreadable for the people he's hiring to work on it. >> >> It would be si

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Grant wrote: >> Read the OP again.  He wants to obsfuscate the code to make it >> unreadable for the people he's hiring to work on it. >> >> It would be simpler and cheaper to hire developers who don't >> understand programming language in question, computers, progr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Grant
>> "Theoretically, a modularized software project will be more easily >> assembled by large teams, since no team members are creating the whole >> system, or even need to know about the system as a whole. They can >> focus just on the assigned smaller task." >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modul

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
On 9 November 2010 09:14, Grant wrote: > "Theoretically, a modularized software project will be more easily > assembled by large teams, since no team members are creating the whole > system, or even need to know about the system as a whole. They can > focus just on the assigned smaller task." > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Grant
> Read the OP again.  He wants to obsfuscate the code to make it > unreadable for the people he's hiring to work on it. > > It would be simpler and cheaper to hire developers who don't > understand programming language in question, computers, programming in > general, or even english. > > Then don'

[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code

2010-11-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-11-09, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 09.11.2010 05:52, schrieb Grant: >> This is OT, but you guys have proven extremely insightful over the >> years and I would love to hear what you think. >> >> I've been working on a particular software project for a long time. >> I'd like to hire a team