On Tuesday 14 March 2006 04:18, Walter Dnes wrote:
> HT is being phased out *ACCORDING TO INTEL*. See article at...
> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30087
Err...
"Never let it be said that facts will get in the way of a fun story - Mike
Magee"
I call bull on that story.
--
Mike William
On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 11:44:56PM +1300, Glenn Enright wrote
> I apreciate that AMD certainly seem to have the memory
> bandwidth/throughput thing nailed, and their processors stand tall as
> a result. but I doubt that a p4 would perform near as well without a
> large part of the enginered parale
On Monday 13 March 2006 19:14, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about
'Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo/proc combination':
> On 152923032 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > (I haven't validated this, but it *shouldn't* break
On 152923032 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (I haven't validated this, but it *shouldn't* break your system. If you
> are using LVM and have a little extra space, it might just be better to do
> a chroot install, then boot into it and remove your old install [don't
> re
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 07:37 -0500, Denis wrote:
> Iain,
>
> So are you saying that a P4 is actually faster with HT disabled, or
> simply that you don't have much to gain by using HT?
Well, I had read (in a previous HT thread on gentoo-user) that it did
indeed degrade performance in many cases, bu
On Monday 13 March 2006 16:01, Mike Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about
'Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo/proc combination':
> On Monday 13 March 2006 21:09, Jim wrote:
> > Is there a how-to on going 64-bit with Gentoo? Anything special to do
> > with/for the kernel to
On Monday 13 March 2006 15:09, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about
'Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo/proc combination':
> On 164593240 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Better memory architecture and microcode, larger caches, etc.; you
> &g
On Monday 13 March 2006 21:09, Jim wrote:
> Is there a how-to on going 64-bit with Gentoo? Anything special to do
> with/for the kernel to go 64-bit?
Reinstall.
You need a 64bit toolchain to compile a 64bit kernel, and getting a 64bit
toolchain is no mean feat.
Just reinstall. Do it in a chroot
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On 164593240 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Better memory architecture and microcode, larger caches, etc.; you might
> even get a Hz bump; in the near future, you'll get hw virtualization.
> There are lot of reasons to choo
On Monday 13 March 2006 14:10, "Hemmann, Volker Armin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user]
Mobo/proc combination':
> > My recommendations are:
> > <1G RAM : 32-bit kernel and userland
> > <4G RAM : 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userlan
On Monday 13 March 2006 19:31, Jim wrote:
> On 163692080 "Hemmann, Volker Armin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> > There is no good reason to buy intel today.
> >
> > But... emm... I bought a Venive S939, 3200+ 1000MHZ HT for less than 130¤
> > or so just 5Month ago. so you should get a much b
On Monday 13 March 2006 20:28, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Monday 13 March 2006 12:31, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about
>
> 'Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo/proc combination':
> > Did you do AMD64 for gentoo or just x86? I just finished getting
> > everythi
On Monday 13 March 2006 12:31, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about
'Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo/proc combination':
> Did you do AMD64 for gentoo or just x86? I just finished getting
> everything compiled and setup where I like it. I won't mind doing it
> again if runnin
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On 163692080 "Hemmann, Volker Armin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is no good reason to buy intel today.
>
> But... emm... I bought a Venive S939, 3200+ 1000MHZ HT for less than 130¤ or
> so just 5Month ago. so you should get a much better CPU
On Monday 13 March 2006 05:23, JimD wrote:
> Hey group,
>
> My trusty old computer died tonight :( I am stuck with my winders laptop
> for a few days until I can get in a new mobo and processor. I am looking
> at getting something like an AMD 64 or a Pentium D dual core. I can get
> one of the t
On Monday 13 March 2006 04:44, Glenn Enright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo/proc combination':
> On Monday 13 March 2006 21:47, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > Hyper-Transport is a way for CPUs to exchange data directly rather
> > than go
> processing unit. If the thread on one input wants all the cpu power, it gets
> it and the other input stalls and starves. It's easy to see by running top on
> a busy P4 with HT computer.
Never seen my dual Xeon machine starve :) And that's with 4 Monte
Carlo codes running at the same time and m
On Monday 13 March 2006 07:37, Denis wrote:
> Iain,
>
> So are you saying that a P4 is actually faster with HT disabled, or
> simply that you don't have much to gain by using HT?
I have a laptop and a desktop the sport p4's with HT. I don't see any
difference whether HT is turned on or turned of
On 3/13/06, JimD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey group,
>
> My trusty old computer died tonight :( I am stuck with my winders laptop
> for a few days until I can get in a new mobo and processor. I am looking at
> getting something like an AMD 64 or a Pentium D dual core. I can get one of
> the
Iain,
So are you saying that a P4 is actually faster with HT disabled, or
simply that you don't have much to gain by using HT? I've had a
dual-Xeon machine with 4 logical processors running Gentoo for a
couple years now, and I like being able to run 4 threads of
simulations at the same time. The
On Tuesday 14 March 2006 00:53, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
> there may even be some intentional slowdown when you do a bios / chip
> based disable
>
lol
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On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 23:44 +1300, Glenn Enright wrote:
> I can certainly tell you that compiling (as an example) *wihtout* HT enabled
> on my P4 is a bad idea, takes nearly 4 times as long.
I would hesitate to say, the reason for this is more likely to do with
the way HT is turned off. I've no
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 01:59 -0500, JimD wrote:
> Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > Whatever you do, don't go HT. It's not worth the effort.
>
> By HT do you mean AMD 64 Hyper-Transport or Pentium Hyper-Threading?
don't bother with Hyper threading. Hyper transport I know nothing
about.
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Iain Buchanan
On Monday 13 March 2006 04:23, JimD wrote:
> AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 800MHz HT Socket 754
> or
> Intel Pentium D 805 Smithfield 533MHz FSB 2 x 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Dual
> Core,EM64T Processor
I'm very surprised Intel can knock out dual core processors for under $150!
I would go for the AMD thou
On Monday 13 March 2006 21:47, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> Hyper-Transport is a way for CPUs to exchange data directly rather than
> going through a memory controller, thus allowing limited resources (L1/2/3
> cache) to be used more effectively. In particular, process migration
> causes fewer
On Monday 13 March 2006 02:12, Ash Varma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo/proc combination':
> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 01:51 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > On Monday 13 March 2006 00:59, "JimD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > w
On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 01:51 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
On Monday 13 March 2006 00:59, "JimD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo/proc combination':
> > Whatever you do, don't go HT. It's not worth the effort.
>
On Monday 13 March 2006 00:59, "JimD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Mobo/proc combination':
> > Whatever you do, don't go HT. It's not worth the effort.
>
> By HT do you mean AMD 64 Hyper-Transport or Pentium Hyper-Threading?
Iain Buchanan wrote:
I wish mine would die, then I could justify an upgrade ;) Maybe it
will have an ... accident!
Just spill a little coffe and you should be all set :)
I just bought an Pentium D 830 (Dual core 3.0 GHz, seems nicely fast
:) for a friend's upgrade. It went with an Asrock 77
On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 23:23 -0500, JimD wrote:
> Hey group,
>
> My trusty old computer died tonight :(
I _wish_ mine would die, then I could justify an upgrade ;) Maybe it
will have an ... accident!
> Intel Pentium D 805 Smithfield 533MHz FSB 2 x 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Dual
> Core,EM64T Processo
Hey group,
My trusty old computer died tonight :( I am stuck with my winders laptop
for a few days until I can get in a new mobo and processor. I am looking at
getting something like an AMD 64 or a Pentium D dual core. I can get one of
the two models below for a really good price on newegg.
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