Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread hasufell
On 08/23/2013 08:09 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: > On 23.08.2013 19:58, hasufell wrote: >> On 08/23/2013 05:48 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote: >>> Am 23.08.2013 12:50, schrieb the: >>> [ ... ] >>> The point for Skype, last time I am going to repeat that, is that it >>> works out of the box for the normal us

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 23.08.2013 19:58, hasufell wrote: On 08/23/2013 05:48 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote: Am 23.08.2013 12:50, schrieb the: >> [ ... ] The point for Skype, last time I am going to repeat that, is that it works out of the box for the normal user and the large user base. And that is still wrong. If it

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/23/13 19:48, Marc Stürmer wrote: > Am 23.08.2013 12:50, schrieb the: >> Does that mean that I should buy hardware to match software >> requirements? > > Do you really want to tell me that you are still working on a > Pentium 133 with maybe 64 MB

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread hasufell
On 08/23/2013 05:48 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote: > Am 23.08.2013 12:50, schrieb the: >> Does that mean that I should buy hardware to match software requirements? > > Do you really want to tell me that you are still working on a Pentium > 133 with maybe 64 MB of RAM? > > I mean it has always been like

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 23.08.2013 12:50, schrieb the: Does that mean that I should buy hardware to match software requirements? Do you really want to tell me that you are still working on a Pentium 133 with maybe 64 MB of RAM? I mean it has always been like that: people buy indeed hardware to match software re

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 23.08.2013 15:21, schrieb Alan McKinnon: tr 'A-Z' 'a-z' I think your keyboard is broken. Your Shift key is doing odd things and typing CAPS when you obviously didn't intend More like of my virtual keyboard on my smartphone, anyways... nice to be back on my real keyboard once more again. Yeah.

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/23/13 15:25, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: > On 23.08.2013 13:42, the wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 08/23/13 13:21, Stroller wrote: >>> >>> On 22 August 2013, at 17:08, hasufell wrote: … I was arguing from both

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/08/2013 15:18, Marc Stürmer wrote: > No IT simply means that you are overwxaggerating the RAM usage and its > importance a Lot. Most gentoo Users are Used to Compile their own > Binaries. A Task which Uses quite some time, horse Power and RAM. Which > means that the average computer running g

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Marc Stürmer
No IT simply means that you are overwxaggerating the RAM usage and its importance a Lot. Most gentoo Users are Used to Compile their own Binaries. A Task which Uses quite some time, horse Power and RAM. Which means that the average computer running gentoo also should have enough Power to Run Skype.

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/23/13 15:10, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: > On 23.08.2013 14:50, the wrote: >> On 08/23/13 14:39, Marc Stürmer wrote: >>> Well... Nowadays RAM is so cheap that this is really no issue. >>> Most recent Computers ship at last with 4 GB so what the Heck

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 23.08.2013 13:42, the wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/23/13 13:21, Stroller wrote: On 22 August 2013, at 17:08, hasufell wrote: … I was arguing from both sides. It is buggy, crashes a lot, consumes a lot of ressources and is able to slow down your whole desktop,

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Neil Bothwick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:50:27 +0400, the wrote: > Does that mean that I should buy hardware to match > software requirements? Hasn't that always been the case? What other reason would you have for buying hardware? The point is, Skype is there. no one

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Yuri K. Shatroff
On 23.08.2013 14:50, the wrote: On 08/23/13 14:39, Marc Stürmer wrote: Well... Nowadays RAM is so cheap that this is really no issue. Most recent Computers ship at last with 4 GB so what the Heck. Does that mean that I should buy hardware to match software requirements? Has it ever been diff

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/23/13 14:39, Marc Stürmer wrote: > Well... Nowadays RAM is so cheap that this is really no issue. > Most recent Computers ship at last with 4 GB so what the Heck. Does that mean that I should buy hardware to match software requirements? - -- St

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Marc Stürmer
Well... Nowadays RAM is so cheap that this is really no issue. Most recent Computers ship at last with 4 GB so what the Heck. That aside, jitsi runs on Java and the Java vm is not really leightweight either. the schrieb: >> My granny never had these problems, using Skype on her PC. >I can

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/23/13 13:21, Stroller wrote: > > On 22 August 2013, at 17:08, hasufell wrote: >> … I was arguing from both sides. It is buggy, crashes a lot, >> consumes a lot of ressources and is able to slow down your whole >> desktop, mess with audio setting

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-23 Thread Stroller
On 22 August 2013, at 17:08, hasufell wrote: > … I was arguing from both sides. It is buggy, crashes a lot, consumes a > lot of ressources and is able to slow down your whole desktop, mess with > audio settings and whatnot. My granny never had these problems, using Skype on her PC. She uses it t

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-22 Thread hasufell
On 08/22/2013 06:11 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote: > Am 22.08.2013 18:08, schrieb hasufell: > >> I was arguing from both sides. It is buggy, crashes a lot, consumes a >> lot of ressources and is able to slow down your whole desktop, mess with >> audio settings and whatnot. > > Well, your opinion. > Pr

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-22 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 22.08.2013 18:08, schrieb hasufell: I was arguing from both sides. It is buggy, crashes a lot, consumes a lot of ressources and is able to slow down your whole desktop, mess with audio settings and whatnot. Well, your opinion. In my opinion the ease of use out of the box for the end user i

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-22 Thread hasufell
On 08/22/2013 06:05 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote: > Am 22.08.2013 17:58, schrieb hasufell: > >> You probably missed those hundreds of bugs we devs and also users were >> faced with, including linkage against non-existing sonames, random >> crashes and breakage when the binary is stripped. >> >> So this

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-22 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 22.08.2013 17:58, schrieb hasufell: You probably missed those hundreds of bugs we devs and also users were faced with, including linkage against non-existing sonames, random crashes and breakage when the binary is stripped. So this is somewhat wrong information. It's like saying windows work

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-22 Thread hasufell
On 08/22/2013 05:49 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote: > And why not? Because most users just want a program that works right out > of the box for them without problems and Skype is just that. It went > great lengths to achieve this goal. > You probably missed those hundreds of bugs we devs and also users w

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-22 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 20.08.2013 17:12, schrieb Randy Westlund: For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that it's not in the portage tree. Well, there's always been something being called a Skype killer over the last few year

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-22 Thread Randy Westlund
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Jean-Christophe Bach wrote: > Well, it depends on what you call a replacement: Jitsi and Ekiga can do > the work as well as Skype, but not with the Skype protocol and > "network". But if your contacts do not care about it, it's ok. > I tried Jitsi last year

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-21 Thread Pavel Volkov
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 18:17:53 hasufell wrote: > The average java application is buggy, bloated and hard to maintain. And > that is a fact you have to realize as a distributor. Okay, then do you consider Jitsi average or not? I'm about to try it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-21 Thread hasufell
On 08/21/2013 05:59 PM, Jean-Christophe Bach wrote: > * hasufell [21.08.2013. @16:48:10 +0200]: > >> On 08/20/2013 05:12 PM, Randy Westlund wrote: >>> I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that >>> it's not in the portage tree. >>> >> >> Jitsi is written in java and

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-21 Thread Jean-Christophe Bach
* hasufell [21.08.2013. @16:48:10 +0200]: > On 08/20/2013 05:12 PM, Randy Westlund wrote: > > I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that > > it's not in the portage tree. > > > > Jitsi is written in java and thus by design buggy, bloated and hard to > maintain. Wh

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-21 Thread hasufell
On 08/20/2013 05:12 PM, Randy Westlund wrote: > I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that it's > not in the portage tree. > Jitsi is written in java and thus by design buggy, bloated and hard to maintain. If you care a lot, you can propose it in sunrise user overla

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-21 Thread Marc Joliet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:35:09 +0400 schrieb the : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 08/20/13 19:12, Randy Westlund wrote: > > For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've > > heard several people mention jitsi

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread Jean-Christophe Bach
* the [21.08.2013. @09:35:09 +0400]: > On 08/20/13 19:12, Randy Westlund wrote: > > For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've > > heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that > > it's not in the portage tree. > > > > Is jitsi being actively maintained

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/20/13 19:12, Randy Westlund wrote: > For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've > heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that > it's not in the portage tree. > > Is jitsi being actively maintained in a

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread Pavel Volkov
On Tuesday 20 August 2013 11:12:32 Randy Westlund wrote: > For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've heard > several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that it's not in > the portage tree. > > Is jitsi being actively maintained in an overlay somewhere? Are there

Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/20/13 19:12, Randy Westlund wrote: > For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. Fun fact. When I installed Syser (mustdie kernel debugger), Skype began to complain about it. - -- Stop talking and start compiling. Linux user #557

[gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

2013-08-20 Thread Randy Westlund
For a multitude of reasons, I'd like to get rid of skype. I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that it's not in the portage tree. Is jitsi being actively maintained in an overlay somewhere? Are there plans to put jitsi in the main tree? Are there other other goo