Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2011-01-02 Thread William Kenworthy
Reply inline On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 21:06 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 10:31:42AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote > > > I use "dirvish" for backups which creates a LOT of hardlinks which can > > be very hard on a file system. ext2 typically lasts only a few cycles, > > while

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2011-01-02 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 10:31:42AM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote > I use "dirvish" for backups which creates a LOT of hardlinks which can > be very hard on a file system. ext2 typically lasts only a few cycles, > while ext3 is only a little better even with full journalling. Coupled > to the fa

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2011-01-01 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 03:09:24AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote > > Total corruptions in 5 years with reiserfs-3.6 > > and NO ups in that environment = zero. > > Same here: I've used Reiserfs since 2003 & never had a problem; Me too . Reiserfs 3 for several years and no lost data. -- Walter Dn

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2011-01-01 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 19:12 -0600, Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Apparently, though unproven, at 00:27 on Saturday 01 January 2011, Dale did > > opine thusly: > > > > > > > >>> It's my opinion that reiser is in security-fix-only mode from whoever is > >>> maintaining it. If everything

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2011-01-01 Thread Dale
Philip Webb wrote: 110101 Philip Webb wrote: typically in the very early morning when their doing maintenance: Sorry, it's early in my day: that sb "they're" (red face). That's OK. I got a cell phone too. I do pretty good with text speak. lol Dale :-) :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2011-01-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Hi, there is one scenario that is troublesome: mldonkey temp files. If you don't use mldonkey/amule/$whatever you should be fine.

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2011-01-01 Thread Mick
On Friday 31 December 2010 22:11:37 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > reiser4 is fully atomic. A transactions happens completely or it doesn't. > > Unlike ext4 or btrfs or xfs. > > reiser4 also uses barriers (the others use them too, but), when barriers > are not available for some reason or another,

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2011-01-01 Thread Philip Webb
110101 Philip Webb wrote: > typically in the very early morning when their doing maintenance: Sorry, it's early in my day: that sb "they're" (red face). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] []

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2011-01-01 Thread Philip Webb
101231 Alan McKinnon wrote: > 101231 Dale wrote: >> What is a good file system that recovers well from a improper shutdown? > Down here we have Africa power. > Africa power makes post-Katrina power look tame. We get brief power outages here regularly in downtown Toronto, typically in the very ear

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Adam Carter
. > > Total corruptions in 5 years with reiserfs-3.6 and NO ups in that > environment > = zero. > > > Same - havent moved from reiser3 for ages. Originally I used ext2 then reiser3 then started trying out ext3, but after a failure to come up clean with ext3 i just went back to reiser3 and stayed.

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Dale
Duong "Yang" Ha Nguyen wrote: On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I'm not subscribed to one and didn't know it had one. I just get conflicting comments. Some say it is active, some say it is not. I'm sure Hans, or whatever his first name is, isn't doing much wor

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Duong "Yang" Ha Nguyen
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, Dale wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > I'm not subscribed to one and didn't know it had one. I just get conflicting > comments. Some say it is active, some say it is not. I'm sure Hans, or > whatever his first name is, isn't doing much work on it although he has a lo

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 31 December 2010 19:15:49 Dale wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Friday 31 December 2010 16:27:02 Dale wrote: > >> I'm not sure I EVER saw a update to reiserfs. I was hoping it was > >> just > >> that good. lol > > > > you are obviously not subscribed to the reiserfs ml. Ther

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Dale wrote: Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My brother does not have a UPS. I may can talk hi

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Jacob Todd
On Dec 31, 2010 8:18 PM, "Dale" wrote: > I'm not subscribed to one and didn't know it had one. I just get conflicting comments. Some say it is active, some say it is not. I'm sure Hans, or whatever his first name is, isn't doing much work on it although he has a lot of time on his hands to do i

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Friday 31 December 2010 16:27:02 Dale wrote: I'm not sure I EVER saw a update to reiserfs. I was hoping it was just that good. lol you are obviously not subscribed to the reiserfs ml. There are the occasional fixes and lately even some (minor) updates.

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:27 on Saturday 01 January 2011, Dale did opine thusly: It's my opinion that reiser is in security-fix-only mode from whoever is maintaining it. If everything else around it stays the same, the fs will obviously continue working just a

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 31 December 2010 16:27:02 Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > When was the last time portage offered you a reiser update? > > > > The reiser4progs ebuild has 13 Changelog entries in 2.5 years, 8 of them > > are stabilisation toe various arches. Current version is 1.0.7 and has > > bee

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:27 on Saturday 01 January 2011, Dale did opine thusly: > > It's my opinion that reiser is in security-fix-only mode from whoever is > > maintaining it. If everything else around it stays the same, the fs will > > obviously continue working just as it always did

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: When was the last time portage offered you a reiser update? The reiser4progs ebuild has 13 Changelog entries in 2.5 years, 8 of them are stabilisation toe various arches. Current version is 1.0.7 and has been there for 23 months. reiserfsprogs is similar, on 3.6.21 for 23

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
reiser4 is fully atomic. A transactions happens completely or it doesn't. Unlike ext4 or btrfs or xfs. reiser4 also uses barriers (the others use them too, but), when barriers are not available for some reason or another, it complains in dmesg and goes into sync mode. This combined makes it p

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:22 on Friday 31 December 2010, Dale did opine thusly: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Apparently, though unproven, at 22:12 on Friday 31 December 2010, Dale > > did > > > > opine thusly: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Dale wrote: > Hi, > > I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long.  I know > there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience > information on this.  My brother does not have a UPS.  I may can talk him > into getting

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:12 on Friday 31 December 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My br

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Dale
Arthur Britto wrote: Hi, If you don't use a UPS, what you want is journaling file system that is configured to do a lot of syncing. However, the syncing will make writing really slow. Ext4 has the latest features. Especially, if you want to use an SSD. To really be reliable you must use a UP

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:12 on Friday 31 December 2010, Dale did opine thusly: > Hi, > > I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I > know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal > experience information on this. My brother does not ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Arthur Britto
Hi, If you don't use a UPS, what you want is journaling file system that is configured to do a lot of syncing. However, the syncing will make writing really slow. Ext4 has the latest features. Especially, if you want to use an SSD. To really be reliable you must use a UPS which can signal when

[gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.

2010-12-31 Thread Dale
Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My brother does not have a UPS. I may can talk him into getting one but not sure. What is a good file system that re