Hello,
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, hw wrote:
>David Haller schrieb:
[..]
>> Yep. BTDT. I had a then 4-4.5 year old gentoo quite broken by being
>> partly updated until portage/emerge broke and much else didn't work
>> anymore (gcc/make/python/emerge). So, I booted something else, mounted
>> gentoo somewh
On 16/08/2016 18:40, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Peter Humphrey
> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 16:58:20 hw wrote:
>>
>>> The messages are cryptic, and you have to guess what they are trying to
>>> tell you.
>>
>> *Guess?* Good God, man. You don't guess - you use yo
On 16/08/2016 20:04, Mick wrote:
> The longest I've taken to update a server was around 6 months - I was
> planning
> to retire it, but plans changed. If anything it tested my memory, because I
> came across each and every problem I had come across when I was updating my
> other systems in the
On 08/16/2016 10:58 AM, hw wrote:
>
> Three months is not "ridiculously outdated", yet the update doesn´t work.
> 1.5 years isn´t "ridiculously outdated", either --- maybe a bit old, but
> what´s the problem?
>
>> Of course, you'll have to deal with new/renamed/moved/gone packages
>> and such stu
On Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 12:24:40 Michael Mol wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:19:27 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> > > My workstation updates on a cron job every day at 6PM. I check my email
> > > in
> > > the morning to see if it ran into a
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 16:58:20 hw wrote:
>
>> The messages are cryptic, and you have to guess what they are trying to
>> tell you.
>
> *Guess?* Good God, man. You don't guess - you use your experience and your
> logical reasoning to deduce
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:19:27 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
> > My workstation updates on a cron job every day at 6PM. I check my email in
> > the morning to see if it ran into any trouble, correct whatever it
> > complained about, and let it
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:29:45 +0200, hw wrote:
> >> About 1.5 years --- not really a long time.
> >
> > You're kidding, right? You're running a production server without the
> > last 18 months' worth of security updates?
>
> What can you do when you don´t have the time to do the updates,
On a
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:58:20 +0200, hw wrote:
> Perhaps you can do that when you´re an expert user of the packagage
> management and have lots of time on your hands. I just need to update.
This is what makes us think Gentoo is not the right choice for you.
> It would already be much easier if e
On Tuesday 16 Aug 2016 16:58:20 hw wrote:
> Three months is not "ridiculously outdated", yet the update doesn´t work.
Three months *is* a dangerously long time to leave a Gentoo system, whether
you like it or not, and just asking for trouble. Eighteen months is worse
than ridiculous - it's impo
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Michael Mol wrote:
>
> My workstation updates on a cron job every day at 6PM. I check my email in the
> morning to see if it ran into any trouble, correct whatever it complained
> about, and let it try again the next evening.
>
I think you're better-off building
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 04:29:45 PM hw wrote:
> Neil Bothwick schrieb:
> > On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 +0200, hw wrote:
> >>> If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a
> >>> long time...
> >>
> >> About 1.5 years --- not really a long time.
> >
> > You're kidding,
james schrieb:
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote:
Hi,
I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and
apparently one of the packages (de
David Haller schrieb:
Hello,
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Andreas K. Hüttel wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2016, 12:54:37 schrieb hw:
I?m trying to upgrade portage because I?m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
[..]
If you see this now, yo
On 08/16/2016 07:29 AM, hw wrote:
> Neil Bothwick schrieb:
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 +0200, hw wrote:
>>
If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a
long time...
>>>
>>> About 1.5 years --- not really a long time.
>>
>> You're kidding, right? You're running
Neil Bothwick schrieb:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 +0200, hw wrote:
If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a
long time...
About 1.5 years --- not really a long time.
You're kidding, right? You're running a production server without the
last 18 months' worth of
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:13 AM, hw wrote:
>
> Every three months is not infrequently.
>
>...
>
> Seriously, update every day?
>
As Neil has mentioned, there seems to be a mismatch in expectations.
Every day updates are probably fairly typical for Gentoo users. I
don't update all my containers e
On 16/08/2016 14:13, hw wrote:
> So after all, Gentoo seemed the least-bad choice with some arguments for
> it.
> Now it turns out that you can´t update it without running into problems all
> the time, and currently not at all.
No, that is absolutely not true.
You have to understand that you mus
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:13:38 +0200, hw wrote:
> Since someone said I should use the same python target for everything,
> I set one globally. Why wouldn´t that target be used?
It will, unless overridden per-package, but existing software will still
be installed with the old settings.
> Even if
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:13:16 +0200, hw wrote:
> > You're probably always running into problems like this because you
> > infrequently update Gentoo.
>
> Every three months is not infrequently.
It is considered so for Gentoo.
> > If you ran it every day you'd probably only run into issues eve
Rich Freeman schrieb:
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:08 AM, hw wrote:
I infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems
like this. 'Infrequently' means about every 3 months at home, and not
since, IIRC, 2015-02 here at work. The last update at home got stalled
because perl
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:23 AM, hw wrote:
> Neil Bothwick schrieb:
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:08:34 +0200, hw wrote:
>>
>>> infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems
>>> like this.
>>
>> Every time, or is that just hyperbole?
>
> every time
Keep in mind that your
Neil Bothwick schrieb:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:08:34 +0200, hw wrote:
infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems
like this.
Every time, or is that just hyperbole?
every time
'Infrequently' means about every 3 months at home, and not
since, IIRC, 2015-02 here
Fernando Rodriguez schrieb:
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On 08/13/2016 09:40 AM, hw wrote:
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On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote:
Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when upd
On 08/15/2016 09:12 AM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> On 08/13/2016 09:40 AM, hw wrote:
>> Fernando Rodriguez schrieb:
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>>> On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote:
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On 08/13/2016 09:40 AM, hw wrote:
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>> On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote:
>>> Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when updating portage?
>
On 08/13/2016 10:09 AM, hw wrote:
>>
>> Not the whole system, only portage. It should still be your last resort,
>> but on the bad-idea scale it's only a 1 or a 2.
>
> And how would I know which of all the files affect only portage and nothing
> else, and what about the dependencies of portage?
>
Hello,
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016, Andreas K. Hüttel wrote:
>Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2016, 12:54:37 schrieb hw:
>> I?m trying to upgrade portage because I?m getting a message that it
>> needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
[..]
>If you see this now, your production server
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:08 AM, hw wrote:
>
> I infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems
> like this. 'Infrequently' means about every 3 months at home, and not
> since, IIRC, 2015-02 here at work. The last update at home got stalled
> because perl cannot be update
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:08:34 +0200, hw wrote:
> infrequently update Gentoo because I´m *always* running into problems
> like this.
Every time, or is that just hyperbole?
> 'Infrequently' means about every 3 months at home, and not
> since, IIRC, 2015-02 here at work. The last update at home g
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 +0200, hw wrote:
> > If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a
> > long time...
>
> About 1.5 years --- not really a long time.
You're kidding, right? You're running a production server without the
last 18 months' worth of security updat
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote:
Hi,
I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and
apparently one of the packages (dev-python/cryptog
On 08/13/2016 10:22 AM, hw wrote:
james schrieb:
On 08/12/2016 07:26 AM, hw wrote:
Michael Orlitzky schrieb:
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote:
Hi,
I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
I´m r
Am Samstag, 13. August 2016, 16:26:21 schrieb hw:
>
> Interesting idea :) I´d be afraid that this version of portage might
> find files of the regular installation and get confused and kill the
> kittens ...
Well this is essentially how portage team (to my knowlegde) tests git HEAD
version of p
On Saturday 13 Aug 2016 16:26:21 hw wrote:
> Andreas K. Hüttel schrieb:
> > If you see this now, your production server hasn't been updated for a
> > long time...
>
> About 1.5 years --- not really a long time.
Au contraire. In a Gentoo world, this is comparable with the age of the
universe. And
Andreas K. Hüttel schrieb:
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Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2016, 12:54:37 schrieb hw:
Hi,
I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
I´m running into merge co
james schrieb:
On 08/12/2016 07:26 AM, hw wrote:
Michael Orlitzky schrieb:
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote:
Hi,
I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
I´m running into merge conflicts when tr
Michael Orlitzky schrieb:
On 08/12/2016 08:26 AM, hw wrote:
Try the other suggestions first -- but as a last resort -- you can
always grab a new stage3 that should contain an updated version of
portage and simply overwrite the portage files on your machine. A
quickpkg from another Gentoo machin
Rich Freeman schrieb:
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote:
Hi,
I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
I´m running into merge conflicts wh
Fernando Rodriguez schrieb:
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On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote:
Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when updating portage?
Since that version of gentoolkit doesn't depend on a specific version of portage
but does depend
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Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2016, 12:54:37 schrieb hw:
> Hi,
>
> I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
> needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
>
> I´m running into merge conflicts when tryin
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On 08/12/2016 08:44 AM, Jeroen Mathon wrote:
> Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when updating portage?
Since that version of gentoolkit doesn't depend on a specific version of portage
but does depend on portage with the same pyth
On 08/12/2016 07:26 AM, hw wrote:
Michael Orlitzky schrieb:
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote:
Hi,
I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update p
On 08/12/2016 08:26 AM, hw wrote:
>>
>> Try the other suggestions first -- but as a last resort -- you can
>> always grab a new stage3 that should contain an updated version of
>> portage and simply overwrite the portage files on your machine. A
>> quickpkg from another Gentoo machine (or the liveC
PS: Sorry, I tried it in a container. Here´s what I get on the host:
emerge -1a portage
[...]
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/install-xattr-0.5
[ebuild N ] dev-python/packaging-15.3-r2 USE="{-test}"
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_4 (-pypy) (-pypy3) -python3_3 (-python3_5)"
[ebuild U ]
Is it perhaps an idea to mask the gentoolkit package when updating portage?
On 12-08-16 14:42, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:16:25 +0200, hw wrote:
sys-apps/portage:0
(sys-apps/portage-2.2.28:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument)
On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:16:25 +0200, hw wrote:
> sys-apps/portage:0
>
>(sys-apps/portage-2.2.28:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> pulled in by sys-apps/portage (Argument)
>
>(sys-apps/portage-2.2.14:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>
> sys-apps/portage[python_targets_py
Michael Orlitzky schrieb:
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote:
Hi,
I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and
apparently one of the p
Neil Bothwick schrieb:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:54:37 +0200, hw wrote:
emerge -a portage --newuse --update
That tries to updates deps too, try this
emerge -1a portage
or even, if that still fails
emerge -1a --nodeps portage
emerge -1a portage
[...]
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebui
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
>> needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
>>
>> I´m running into merge conflicts when try
On 08/10/2016 06:54 AM, hw wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
> needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
>
> I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and
> apparently one of the packages (dev-
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:54:37 +0200, hw wrote:
> emerge -a portage --newuse --update
That tries to updates deps too, try this
emerge -1a portage
or even, if that still fails
emerge -1a --nodeps portage
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Hello.
Try to install first lower version of cryptography:
emerge -av1 =cryptography-1.1.2
This version require at least cffi-1.2.1, which don't need EAPI 6.
Next try to install portage:
emerge -av =portage-2.2.28
Hi,
I´m trying to upgrade portage because I´m getting a message that it
needs to be able to work with EAPI 6 packages and can only do EAPI 5.
I´m running into merge conflicts when trying to update portage, and
apparently one of the packages (dev-python/cryptography) I could try
to update first
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