Matthias Bethke wrote:
> Hi Hemmann,,
> on Sunday, 2005-10-30 at 19:05:20, you wrote:
>
>>>Oh, no doubt that they can recover from burned platters.
>>>But have you ever seen, that they can recover overwritten
>>>data?
>>
>>not seen, but read about it. They can recover overwritten data.
>
>
> May
Alexander Skwar, who happens to be smarter than you, thinks:
> Dale schrieb:
>
> > Those forensics folks sure are good though. I have heard they can get
> > it back even after you have wrote alternating 1's and 0's to the drive a
> > dozen times.
>
> Where have you heard that? I don't think they
Hi Hemmann,,
on Sunday, 2005-10-30 at 19:05:20, you wrote:
> > Oh, no doubt that they can recover from burned platters.
> > But have you ever seen, that they can recover overwritten
> > data?
>
> not seen, but read about it. They can recover overwritten data.
Maybe those overwritten once with a s
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:57, Glenn Enright wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:33, Mike Williams wrote:
> > On Sunday 30 October 2005 09:08, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > > With the right hardware, forensics are *far* beyond this.
> >
> > The NSA *crush* old hardware.
> > You ever seen a car crushed? Complete car
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:33, Mike Williams wrote:
> On Sunday 30 October 2005 09:08, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > With the right hardware, forensics are *far* beyond this.
>
> The NSA *crush* old hardware.
> You ever seen a car crushed? Complete car, engine, drive train, interior,
> wheels, everything, crush
It was a true story. It really hapened. Maybe you have just not
watched the show before? Most of the shows I watch are real. I don't
care much for fake stuff like Star Wars.
They did it whether you believe it or not.
Dale
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Stroller wrote:
> I've just tried `shred` on a file in a ResierFS partition and it
> certainly appears to work.
$ man shred >file
$ ls -l file
-rw-r--r-- 1 ben users 3685 Oct 31 00:11 file
$ shred file
$ ls -l file
-rw-r--r-- 1 ben users 131072 Oct 31 00:11 file
Hmm, would that mean that the "b
Qian Qiao schrieb:
> On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well, but how does it work in a DBMS? Does a transaction
>> log there save you from a 'DELETE FROM table; COMMIT;'?
>> I mean, I suppose you could see - thanks to the transaction
>> log - that a 'DELETE FROM table;' wa
On Sunday 30 October 2005 17:26, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Oh, no doubt that they can recover from burned platters.
> But have you ever seen, that they can recover overwritten
> data?
not seen, but read about it. They can recover overwritten data.
>
> I've only heard the opposite - that they CANN
On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Qian Qiao schrieb:
>
> > Ah, I see. I was thinking that the journal is working in a similar
> > fashion as the transaction logs in DBMS, seems I'm quite wrong. :)
>
> Well, but how does it work in a DBMS? Does a transaction
> log there save
I've just tried `shred` on a file in a ResierFS partition and it
certainly appears to work. `shred` is part of sys-apps/coreutils so
there should already be a manpage on your system if you're interested
in this utility.
Stroller.
On Oct 30, 2005, at 4:17 am, Dale wrote:
It may also be of n
Qian Qiao schrieb:
> Ah, I see. I was thinking that the journal is working in a similar
> fashion as the transaction logs in DBMS, seems I'm quite wrong. :)
Well, but how does it work in a DBMS? Does a transaction
log there save you from a 'DELETE FROM table; COMMIT;'?
I mean, I suppose you could
On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Qian Qiao schrieb:
> > On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> dd if=/dev/zero of=file && rm file
> >
> > I'm a noob on journaling file systems, won't the file be recovered if
> > the journal is re-played? When we eras
Qian Qiao schrieb:
> On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> dd if=/dev/zero of=file && rm file
>
> I'm a noob on journaling file systems, won't the file be recovered if
> the journal is re-played? When we erase a file like that, don't we
> have to figure out a way to erase the
Mike Williams schrieb:
> On Sunday 30 October 2005 04:17, Dale wrote:
>> Those forensics folks sure are good though. I have heard they can get
>> it back even after you have wrote alternating 1's and 0's to the drive a
>> dozen times. I wonder how they do that?
>
> Magnetic remnants.
Any RECENT
Dale schrieb:
> Scroll down, I'm bottom feeding now. LOL
What's so funny about you being unable to properly
quote? Is it funny, because you make it hard to
read what you wrote on purpose?
> I saw that on one of those forensic shows.
Those on TV? Those commercials turned into a report?
> They
On Sunday 30 October 2005 09:08, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> With the right hardware, forensics are *far* beyond this.
The NSA *crush* old hardware.
You ever seen a car crushed? Complete car, engine, drive train, interior,
wheels, everything, crushed into a cube less than a meter cubed. I'd use one
of th
On Sunday 30 October 2005 04:17, Dale wrote:
> Those forensics folks sure are good though. I have heard they can get
> it back even after you have wrote alternating 1's and 0's to the drive a
> dozen times. I wonder how they do that?
Magnetic remnants.
I don't imagine there would be a whole lot
Scroll down, I'm bottom feeding now. LOL
Alexander Skwar wrote:
Dale schrieb:
Those forensics folks sure are good though. I have heard they can get
it back even after you have wrote alternating 1's and 0's to the drive a
dozen times.
Where have you heard that? I don'
On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rob schrieb:
>
> > Is there a gentoo port that does this kind of stuff?
>
> dd if=/dev/zero of=file && rm file
I'm a noob on journaling file systems, won't the file be recovered if
the journal is re-played? When we erase a file like that, d
Dale schrieb:
> Those forensics folks sure are good though. I have heard they can get
> it back even after you have wrote alternating 1's and 0's to the drive a
> dozen times.
Where have you heard that? I don't think they can do that.
> I wonder how they do that?
Me too.
>
> Dale
>
> P.S.
Rob schrieb:
> Is there a gentoo port that does this kind of stuff?
dd if=/dev/zero of=file && rm file
Alexander Skwar
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On 30 October 2005 06:05, Glenn Enright wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:42, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > app-misc/secure-delete
> >
> > Description: Secure file/disk/swap/memory erasure utilities
>
> Just out of interest, I understand ext3 is pretty good at eliminating old
> data during delet
It may also be of note that if you use reiserfs, you're out of luck. I
emerge secure-delete and it does not work on reiserfs. I'm not usre
about ext3 but it does journal so it may not work or may not work well.
Those forensics folks sure are good though. I have heard they can get
it back ev
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:42, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> app-misc/secure-delete
>
> Description: Secure file/disk/swap/memory erasure utilities
>
Just out of interest, I understand ext3 is pretty good at eliminating old data
during delete, because the data structure is so abstract? So in this
On Sunday 30 October 2005 02:05, Rob wrote:
> I noticed the "rm" command doesn't have any options for secure erasing
> of files. Maybe I saw that before on one of the BSD's. I am also
> interested in "wiping" unused disk space.
>
> Is there a gentoo port that does this kind of stuff?
>
> Thanks,
>
I noticed the "rm" command doesn't have any options for secure erasing
of files. Maybe I saw that before on one of the BSD's. I am also
interested in "wiping" unused disk space.
Is there a gentoo port that does this kind of stuff?
Thanks,
Rob.
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