On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:26:40PM +0300, Consus wrote:
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:22:32PM +0300, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:
> > Yes and no. Funtoo use portage like gentoo - yes. But this is a
> > different distro. Without systemd and GLEP 81.
>
> Does this distro have any users aside from Angry
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:10:44PM +0300, Consus wrote:
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:45:51AM +0300, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:
> > And, of course, funtoo ;-).
>
> That's basically rebrended Gentoo with some additional packages.
Yes and no. Funtoo use portage like gentoo - yes. But this is a diffe
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:35:51AM +0300, Consus wrote:
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 09:30:49AM +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote:
> > systemd, and Lennart Poettering (the anti-Christ of open-source) in
> > general,
> > have a history of placing "hard" dependencies on stupid things,
> > sometimes to
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 03:33:58AM +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
> Only Torvalds can write Segfault free code.
>
> Everyone else tries hard, and eventually get beaten into submission by
> GCC and UB.
>
> ( Yes, I'm being a little hyperbolic, but the test of time has shown
> how hard it is to write s
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:31:57PM +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:14:55 +0300
> lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:
>
> > portage must be in C and statically linked.
>
> Do you want Segfaults?
Certainly no :-). Like any other :-).
> Because that's how you get segfaults :p.
No-no :
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 05:07:48PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> I might believe you about speed, but not about RAM. Memory usage goes up
> with static linking because you've got multiple copies of the same thing
> loaded into memory.
No. I told about RAM :-). Several years ago i had some resea
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 06:46:43PM -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2020-04-24, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:
> > I don't have such experience. I use gentoo/funtoo for a less period, but
> > on more machines(servers and desktops). And i catched one or two
> > (don't remember exactly) situations where
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 06:30:25PM +0200, inasprecali wrote:
> There is no rational reason for the core of Portage to be written in
> C.
There are more than one rational reasons to do so.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 01:34:39PM -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2020-04-24, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:
> > The core of portage should be in C, imho.
>
> Why? I've been running Gentoo on multiple machines (generally at
> least 4 or 5) for 15+ years now. I've never seen any problems that
> co
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 03:27:16PM -0500, Steven Lembark wrote:
>
> > portage must be in C and statically linked.
>
> Seems to argue in favor of a statically-linked dynamic language: The
> runtime compiler can be static with install scripts being a bit more
> malleable.
The core of portage s
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 05:20:23PM +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On 23 April 2020 11:26:08 CEST, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:
> >I know about it. I didn't understand why in usual case we need to
> >do everytime emerge -e, instead of emerge -uND. But if we talk about os
> >developer - it's clear(but wh
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 04:44:10AM -0500, Dale wrote:
> You ever think that developers may have to do things us users don't?
Oh... Dale, that was a joke ;-).
> All we do is use portage/emerge to update our systems. They have to
> write or update ebuilds, test them, push them to the tree and the
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 04:02:13AM -0500, Dale wrote:
> lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:
> > Just interesting, why you need to sync every day?
> > And why you need emerge -e, if you can use emerge -auND?
>
> Might be because Michael is a Gentoo developer. They have to sync a lot
> as they make changes
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:59:46AM +0300, Consus wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:52:52AM +0300, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:
> > Nobody talk about "everything is statically linked".
> > However, this is a good idea ;-), but this is a topic for another
> > conversation :-).
>
> No wonder Yandex c
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 03:19:26PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> It's not that everything depends on OpenSSL, but that everything depends
> on /something/. If everything is statically linked, then any update of
> any package sets off a chain reaction of other packages that trigger
> rebuilds of
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 03:24:07PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> FWIW, I do know there are situations where static linking is the right
> thing to do.
If you project require strong security, than it would be simpler to use static
linking.
If you have many instances of the same program or have
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 02:22:02PM -0500, Michael Jones wrote:
> But I don't generally want my entire system statically linked, only a few
> things.
But who said that *entire* system should be statically linked?
The conversation is so far only about such a critical thing as portage.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 02:33:45PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> If you statically link more than a few things, this is emerge -e @world
> twenty times a day.
Hm :-D. And why it should be so? I run emerge one time in a week.
If there are any changes in a dependancy of some package, why
it can'
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 02:19:19PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> How do you plan to update all of your programs when there's a security
> vulnerability in, say, OpenSSL?
Hm. And why we need every package to be statically linked? I told just
that static linking is a good and useful feature. More
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 07:48:01PM +0200, Alessandro Barbieri wrote:
> Whatever, but QA is by my side and I'm helping removing static libraries
> from gentoo packages.
Man, this is not a technical argument. Sorry :-). You are wrong from a
technical point of view. And the fact above says just:
- s
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:32:49AM -0500, Michael Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 11:30 AM wrote:
> > No-no. C++ is a nightmare. A few people want to use it.
>
> C++ is an extremely widespread language with millions of lines of code
> written daily world wide.
C is more widespread, th
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:16:20PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 4/22/20 12:14 PM, lego12...@yandex.ru wrote:
> > Yes. And yes again :-). +1
> > portage must be in C and statically linked.
> > python is a strange dependency.
>
> Paludis was a C++ package manager, but is dead now. No on
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 06:17:52PM +0200, Alessandro Barbieri wrote:
> Nothing should be statically linked, please stop spreading the disease.
You are wrong ;-).
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Олег Неманов (Oleg Nemanov)
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 04:07:52PM +, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote:
> in fact, i think portage sucks so much it must be
> rewritten from scratch, in such a way that it has
> least run-time dependencies, so we stop worrying
> about upgrading other packages, such as python.
Yes. And yes again :-
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