[gentoo-user] Re: Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2017-07-30, Rich Freeman wrote: > In my experience the people who are most likely to give you the most > helpful replies tend to also be the first people to hit mute on a > thread when the person asking for help seems determined to make this > as painful as possible. They're also likely (in a

[gentoo-user] Re: Necessity of installer and complete documentation.

2017-07-30 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2017-07-30 17:40, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Just be careful about uninstalling sets. For whatever reason portage > >> doesn't manage dependencies when you do this. > > > > Do you mean that depclean doesn't remove them? > > The opposite. If you uninstall a set, portage will remove everything >

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 30 Jul 2017 23:19:11 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:03:45 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > [...] point releases tend to contain manly bug fixes > > > > That's all right then. As long as there aren't too many feminist ones... > > That's because the men, in particular the

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 30 Jul 2017 23:19:11 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:03:45 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > [...] point releases tend to contain manly bug fixes > > > > That's all right then. As long as there aren't too many feminist ones... > > That's because the men, in particular th

Re: [gentoo-user] Necessity of installer and complete documentation.

2017-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:40:19 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> >> Another option to consider is creating your own overlay with some >> meta-packages in it. Then when you do a new install the first thing >> you do is pull in that overlay and yo

Re: [gentoo-user] Necessity of installer and complete documentation.

2017-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:40:19 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Just be careful about uninstalling sets. For whatever reason portage > >> doesn't manage dependencies when you do this. > > > > Do you mean that depclean doesn't remove them? > > > > The opposite. If you uninstall a set, portage w

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:03:45 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > [...] point releases tend to contain manly bug fixes > > That's all right then. As long as there aren't too many feminist ones... That's because the men, in particular the husbands, are the ones always getting it wrong, so they have

Re: [gentoo-user] what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 30 Jul 2017 17:38:21 Rich Freeman wrote: > The one thing I will say about git is that you'll never appreciate it > until you understand how it works. In many ways git is a data model > masquerading as a version control system. The data model is very > elegant, but also very different t

Re: [gentoo-user] Necessity of installer and complete documentation.

2017-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:54:58 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> > If you want to install the same group of packages on multiple >> > machines, create a set and copy it to /etc/portage/sets. I have a >> > base set that I install on everything, co

Re: [gentoo-user] what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday 30 Jul 2017 11:02:41 Rich Freeman wrote: > >> The general sense is that Changelogs represent the old way of doing >> things. Most projects have gone away from having them, or they just >> auto-generate them from git. I don't thin

Re: [gentoo-user] Necessity of installer and complete documentation.

2017-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:54:58 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > If you want to install the same group of packages on multiple > > machines, create a set and copy it to /etc/portage/sets. I have a > > base set that I install on everything, containing all the things I > > always fond useful, and a deskt

Re: [gentoo-user] what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 30 Jul 2017 11:02:41 Rich Freeman wrote: > The general sense is that Changelogs represent the old way of doing > things. Most projects have gone away from having them, or they just > auto-generate them from git. I don't think most projects routinely > distribute them either - they just

[gentoo-user] Re: Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2017-07-30 16:03, Rich Freeman wrote: > In my experience the people who are most likely to give you the most > helpful replies tend to also be the first people to hit mute on a > thread when the person asking for help seems determined to make this > as painful as possible. This :-) -- Please

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 30 Jul 2017 20:50:58 Neil Bothwick wrote: > [...] point releases tend to contain manly bug fixes That's all right then. As long as there aren't too many feminist ones... -- Regards Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Ста Деюс wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:07:31 +0100, among other, you wrote: > >> >> This is what was asked for from the start, and as soon as you provided >> it, several people identified a potential problem. It's no use saying >> "this doesn't work" if you don

Re: [gentoo-user] Necessity of installer and complete documentation.

2017-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:35:02 +0700, Ста Деюс wrote: > > If you want to install the same group of packages on multiple machines, > create a set and copy it to /etc/portage/sets. I have a base set that I > install on everything, containing all

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:03:06 +0700, Ста Деюс wrote: > > Except it's not the same bash, you stated that they are different > > versions. > > I do not suppose that versions, that differ just in .1 are too great > for syntax. I may err, and may get into 0.1 % of probability that > it is the ca

Re: [gentoo-user] Necessity of installer and complete documentation.

2017-07-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:35:02 +0700, Ста Деюс wrote: > But i still do not understand why there is no choice of the desired > packages but profiles only. A profile is only a starting point, a default set of packages and USE flags for common scenarios. It is up to the user/admin to decide which pack

[gentoo-user] Re: maim screenshooting

2017-07-30 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 30/07/17 21:04, tu...@posteo.de wrote: Hi, I am shootin around the screen...experimenting... From here: https://github.com/naelstrof/maim I found this: "This is a basic, but useful command that simply screenshots the current active window. $ maim -i $(xdotool getactivewindow)

[gentoo-user] Re: maim screenshooting

2017-07-30 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2017-07-30 20:04, tu...@posteo.de wrote: > $ maim -i $(xdotool getactivewindow) ~/mypicture.jpg [...] > Giving this via commandline it always shoots the terminal window (I > see no way to edit a commandline without activateing the terminal > window). Clearly the -i parameter is for the

[gentoo-user] maim screenshooting

2017-07-30 Thread tuxic
Hi, I am shootin around the screen...experimenting... >From here: https://github.com/naelstrof/maim I found this: "This is a basic, but useful command that simply screenshots the current active window. $ maim -i $(xdotool getactivewindow) ~/mypicture.jpg " Giving this via command

Re: [gentoo-user] Necessity of installer and complete documentation.

2017-07-30 Thread Ста Деюс
Hi, R0b0t1. On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:44:10 -0500, among other, you wrote: > > Not to get away from OP's question, but how good would the installer > need to be before it held the interest of any developers that manage > the website or handbook? > > I ask because the much simpler thing I suggested

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2017-07-29 06:25, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> IMO unless you really need to read them offline it is probably just as >> easy to just browse the git repository. I find github provides the >> nicest viewer > > But which one? There is gentoo/

[gentoo-user] Re: what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2017-07-29 06:25, Rich Freeman wrote: > IMO unless you really need to read them offline it is probably just as > easy to just browse the git repository. I find github provides the > nicest viewer But which one? There is gentoo/gentoo _and_ gentoo-mirror/gentoo. TBH the existence of both doe

Re: [gentoo-user] what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 10:53 AM, John Covici wrote: > > Thanks. clone-depth seems not to be available, so I amnot sure whats > best here. I thinkI like the history, so I will see how to do a git > clone. I do havethe type as git in the gentoo.conf, but I don't know > what happened to clone-d

Re: [gentoo-user] what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread John Covici
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:53:18 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:36 AM, John Covici wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:07:03 -0400, > > Rich Freeman wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 10:58 PM, John Covici > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Well, clone-depth = 0 gave me a synta

Re: [gentoo-user] what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:36 AM, John Covici wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:07:03 -0400, > Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 10:58 PM, John Covici wrote: >> > >> > Well, clone-depth = 0 gave me a syntax error >> >> Can you provide the entire contents of your repos.conf, and the e

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with printer after system update

2017-07-30 Thread Andrew Savchenko
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:36:55 -0300 Raphael MD wrote: > Hi! > > After a system update, my printer only print documents from internet like > sites. > When a send .pdf to print, cups return this error: No Pages Found. > > Did anyone see this error? Look into cups logs, you may increase log verbosit

Re: [gentoo-user] what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread John Covici
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:07:03 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 10:58 PM, John Covici wrote: > > > > Well, clone-depth = 0 gave me a syntax error > > Can you provide the entire contents of your repos.conf, and the error > it gives you? > > I wouldn't use a manual checkout fo

Re: [gentoo-user] what about dracut and systemd?

2017-07-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 10:58 PM, John Covici wrote: > > Well, clone-depth = 0 gave me a syntax error Can you provide the entire contents of your repos.conf, and the error it gives you? I wouldn't use a manual checkout for /usr/portage. You can of course do a checkout elsewhere but your permiss

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Ста Деюс
Hi, Ian. On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:37:49 -0700, among other, you wrote: > > PROMPT='Enter device (like /dev/sd(a1,b1,...): ' > read -p $PROMPT device On "Debian" it does not work: Entera1 ./об: строка 6: read: «(like»: это недопустимый идентификатор > To the OP: How do you run the script? Are y

Re: [gentoo-user] Postgresql upgrade

2017-07-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Jul 2017 00:44:27 Peter Humphrey wrote: > They are trying though. Daniel Vratil wrote this on the KDE-PIM list > > yesterday: > > If you use KMail (or Kontact), please help us, the KDE PIM developers, to > > get a better picture of how you use it so that we know which parts of the >

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Ста Деюс
Hi, Vadim. On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 19:13:17 +0700, among other, you wrote: > > > read 'Enter device (like /dev/sd(a1,b1,...): ' device > > AFAIK, this is not valid syntax for `read` in any shell (even on > Debian. I just checked) Now i see this too even on "Debian" and i can't explain that, sinc

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Ста Деюс
Hi, Peter. On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 00:10:41 +0100, among other, you wrote: > > > read 'Enter device (like /dev/sd(a1,b1,...): ' device > > > > Until i remove the brackets, "Gentoo's" bash keeps error > > messaging. > > Which brackets? They aren't matched. I know, but i say what i see. Thank y

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Ста Деюс
Hi, Alexander. On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 15:08:37 +0300, among other, you wrote: > > Alright. Here is an example of the problematic line from the point > of view of "Gentoo's" bash: > > read 'Enter device (like /dev/sd(a1,b1,...): ' device > > Until i remove the brackets, "Gentoo's" bash keeps error

Re: [gentoo-user] Why bash script, that works in "Debian", does not work on "Gentoo" install CD?

2017-07-30 Thread Ста Деюс
Hi, Neil. On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:07:31 +0100, among other, you wrote: > > > Mathematics (mother of computers) answers: 1+1=2. -- Meaning: same > > script w/ the same bash gets same execution. > > Except it's not the same bash, you stated that they are different > versions. I do not suppose t