Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make.conf bindist

2015-08-30 Thread Matthew Marchese
Rich, This is an excellent explanation of the flag. Will you give me permission to use it or re-word it for a wiki page concerning bindist? I see lot blockers where either openssl or openssh need it, when the other does not... Matthew On 8/5/2015 5:29 PM, James wrote: Rich Freeman gentoo.

[gentoo-user] a few blockers I can't figure out

2015-08-30 Thread covici
Hi. On my latest update of world, I have a few blockers which I am unable to figure out how to solve -- I will put the related output below with inserted comments. I am using "unstable" gentooand I have masked ncurses-6 for the time being. Portage also wants to downgrade my systemd from 221(0/2)

Re: [gentoo-user] LXQT (~0.9.0-r2)

2015-08-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 3:28:28 PM James wrote: > Hello, > > So on a recently upgraded system, I removed KDE and I'm attempting to > install LX!T-meta-0.9.0-r2. Any advise on that is most welcome. The system > had not been upgraded for several years (an old laptop) but all > seems fine now wi

Re: [gentoo-user][SOLVED] emerge --oneshot portage - conflict

2015-08-30 Thread thelma
I always do "emerge -uDNavq world" I think it should be OK Thelma On 08/30/2015 05:58 PM, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > On Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:41:04 AM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: >> All it was needed was in portage.use >> >> # required by app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2 >> # required by

Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Monday, August 31, 2015 12:50:04 AM Thomas Mueller wrote: > > > * Fernando Rodriguez [150829 12:59]: > > On Friday, August 28, 2015 2:24:37 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > > > Those who wish to use git can do so, and I'd encourage people to try. > > > It really does have a lot of advantages. Oh, and

Re: [gentoo-user] ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-30 Thread Thomas Mueller
> * Fernando Rodriguez [150829 12:59]: > On Friday, August 28, 2015 2:24:37 PM Rich Freeman wrote: > > Those who wish to use git can do so, and I'd encourage people to try. > > It really does have a lot of advantages. Oh, and it makes it really > > easy to contribute patches/etc (just edit whate

[gentoo-user] python tool:: turbogears-2.3.6 ?

2015-08-30 Thread James
Hello, Well is looks like Gentoo supported turbogears on the past, at least as an overlay (2.0.3). I'm posting to see if anybody knows of an overlay I'm just not finding on the the net. Any recent version would be keen. TIA, James http://www.turbogears.org/current-status.html

Re: [gentoo-user][SOLVED] emerge --oneshot portage - conflict

2015-08-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:41:04 AM the...@sys-concept.com wrote: > All it was needed was in portage.use > > # required by app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2 > # required by app-portage/gentoolkit (argument) > =sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 python_targets_python3_3 > > Thelma Now you'll probably ru

Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x

2015-08-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 6:11:00 PM Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > On Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:51:57 PM Peter Weilbacher wrote: > > Hi Fernando, > > > > On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > > > > > 1. Add loglevel=7 to your kernel parameters and see what it prints before > it > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x

2015-08-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:51:57 PM Peter Weilbacher wrote: > Hi Fernando, > > On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > > > 1. Add loglevel=7 to your kernel parameters and see what it prints before it > > hangs. > > That helped, it showed me something about drm, so... > > > 3. From

[gentoo-user] Re: Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x

2015-08-30 Thread James
Peter Weilbacher Weilbacher.org> writes: > > 1. Add loglevel=7 to your kernel parameters and see what it prints > > before it hangs. > Any more suggestions? >Peter. Hello Peter, Here is a great boot debugging resource that may help [1] It's an Arch doc, but there is plenty of informatio

Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x

2015-08-30 Thread Peter Weilbacher
Hi Fernando, On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > 1. Add loglevel=7 to your kernel parameters and see what it prints before it > hangs. That helped, it showed me something about drm, so... > 3. From your kernel parameters I assume you're using the radeon free driver > right? If that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 6:13:30 PM Dale wrote: > Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > > On Saturday, August 29, 2015 10:48:16 AM Dale wrote: > >> Todd Goodman wrote: > >>> * Philip Webb [150828 18:35]: > 150828 Rich Freeman wrote: > > To really appreciate git you should understand git objects

Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x

2015-08-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 6:40:01 PM Peter Weilbacher wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > On Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Peter Weilbacher wrote: > > > > > > after successfully using kernel 4.0.5 (vanilla-sources) for a while, I > > > upgraded to 4.

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Terry Z.
I personally find it beneficial to backup to an online source locally or in an online storage service (as long as encryption incurs etc). DVD are indeed limited in life. You are still better off with other offline storage mediums such as an external hdd or tape indeed. I've found crashplans unli

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: > On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 18:05:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 30/08/2015 19:00, Dale wrote: >>> >>> Don't forget the clothes dryer to, if you have one. Mine is electric >>> and it pulls as much as my water heater does. I just don't use it as >>> much is all. >> I forgot about that :-) >

[gentoo-user] Re: CD ripper that generates song titles?

2015-08-30 Thread James
Neil Bothwick digimed.co.uk> writes: > It does raise the question of what is the point of the Performer field if > it's always the same as the Albumperformer. Dubbing? :: as in voice over, professionally, extra comments on the sound track, karaoke and such? Your dubs over a Grand Funk Railroa

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 18:05:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 30/08/2015 19:00, Dale wrote: > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: > >>> On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: > How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between > re

Re: [gentoo-user] Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory

2015-08-30 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-30 12:41, wraeth a écrit : I wonder if there is some advantage to leaving things as my installation has created them or should I revert to the old way where package.use is file... not a directory. There's no specific advantage to using separate files within a directory to using a sing

[gentoo-user] Re: Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory

2015-08-30 Thread Harry Putnam
Alan McKinnon writes: [...] >> I tried the later like so: >>/etc/portage/package.use/app-editors/emacs-vcs >> where emacs-vcs contains: >> >>emacs-vcs Xaw3d athena gnutls imagemagick toolkit-scroll-bars >> >> and this way: >> >>>=app-editors/emacs-vcs-25.0.50_pre20150731 Xaw3d ath

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge fails with `Suspicious PERL5LIB setting's

2015-08-30 Thread Harry Putnam
Stroller writes: > On Sun, 30 August 2015, at 7:37 am, Harry Putnam wrote: >> ... >> I've been building cpan packages and have them installed at the locations >> mentioned above. Then, to get perl to include them in `@INC', I've utilized >> the PERL5LIB variable in one of my login scripts, just

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-30 11:56, Peter Humphrey a écrit : On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting a

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2015 19:00, Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long be

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: >>> How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? >>> How long between power off/on's ? >>> >>> I've long been in the habit of switching everything o

Re: [gentoo-user] Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory

2015-08-30 Thread wraeth
I'd already typed up this response when I saw the one from Alan come in; figured I'd send it anyway - two responses that essentially agree are better than one, right? On 08/31/2015 02:15 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: > I see there have been a change in how we list our specific use > flags. > > I'm seei

Re: [gentoo-user] Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory

2015-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2015 18:15, Harry Putnam wrote: > I see there have been a change in how we list our specific use flags. It's been around for 5+ years or so > I'm seeing /etc/portage/package.use/ pkg1 pkg2 ... etc rather than > package.use as a file that contains the specific pkgs and use flags. > > I w

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge fails with `Suspicious PERL5LIB setting's

2015-08-30 Thread Stroller
On Sun, 30 August 2015, at 7:37 am, Harry Putnam wrote: > ... > I've been building cpan packages and have them installed at the locations > mentioned above. Then, to get perl to include them in `@INC', I've utilized > the PERL5LIB variable in one of my login scripts, just as it appears in the >

[gentoo-user] Advantages or disadvantages of use package.use as directory

2015-08-30 Thread Harry Putnam
I see there have been a change in how we list our specific use flags. I'm seeing /etc/portage/package.use/ pkg1 pkg2 ... etc rather than package.use as a file that contains the specific pkgs and use flags. I wonder if there is some advantage to leaving things as my installation has created them o

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force > approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a > backup to external disk. I have a multi-tier strategy. Anything I'm going to complain

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Technically, we should do a power down test every 6 months or so, but > that turns out not to be a yes/no test in real life; it's a yes/destroy > test and no-one wants to make a decision either way. So we all sit in > limbo and wait for some

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: >> How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? >> How long between power off/on's ? >> >> I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, >> then re

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: > How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? > How long between power off/on's ? > > I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, > then restarting after I've woken & got going again mysel

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2015 17:24, Daniel Frey wrote: > On 08/30/2015 06:24 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: >> >> As for shutdowns there are several arguments for and against. What often >> kills electronic is the shock between hot and cold so there is an >> argument about keeping the system on. >> Whether it is alway

Re:[gentoo-user][SOLVED] emerge --oneshot portage - conflict

2015-08-30 Thread thelma
All it was needed was in portage.use # required by app-portage/gentoolkit-0.3.0.9-r2 # required by app-portage/gentoolkit (argument) =sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 python_targets_python3_3 Thelma On 08/30/2015 08:43 AM, Mick wrote: > On Saturday 29 Aug 2015 20:36:04 neu pat wrote: >> I emerge python

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Daniel Frey
On 08/30/2015 06:24 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: > > As for shutdowns there are several arguments for and against. What often > kills electronic is the shock between hot and cold so there is an > argument about keeping the system on. > Whether it is always safe to keep the computer on all the time re

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.08.2015 um 15:26 schrieb Alan Mackenzie: > Hello, Philip. > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? >> How long between power off/on's ? > I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.08.2015 um 06:04 schrieb Philip Webb: > How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? > How long between power off/on's ? > > I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, > then restarting after I've woken & got going again myself. > Howev

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --oneshot portage - conflict

2015-08-30 Thread Mick
On Saturday 29 Aug 2015 20:36:04 neu pat wrote: > I emerge python3.4 set as active: > eselect python list > Available Python interpreters: > [1] python2.7 > [2] python3.3 > [3] python3.4 * > but it still complain about Multiple package instances > > [ebuild U ] sys-apps/portage-2.

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 14:26:36 Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Philip. > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > > How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? > > How long between power off/on's ? > > I switch my PC on in the morning when I wa

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? >> How long between power off/on's ? > > I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start using

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? > How long between power off/on's ? I generally power off whenever I won't be using my desktop for more than 7-8 hours, since it has a big CPU, lots of RAM, dece

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Philip. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? > How long between power off/on's ? I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start using it. I switch it off before going to bed, or goin

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-30 00:04, Philip Webb a écrit : How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken & got going again myself. However recentl

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: > On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 08:54:16 Dale wrote: >> cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: >>> Dale wrote: >>> >>> >>> The biggest reason I shutdown, power failure. I use checkrestart to see >>> if/when I need to restart something after doing updates. If for example >>> I update something in the @

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 08:54:16 Dale wrote: > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > Dale wrote: > > > > > > The biggest reason I shutdown, power failure. I use checkrestart to see > > if/when I need to restart something after doing updates. If for example > > I update something in the @system area,

[gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-dev] Better way to direct upstream bugs upstream?

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: > We've had to accept that upstream were being unreasonable, and fork > the problem and manage it ourselves. > > And now we have eudev. > > This is a very good example of "Gentoo standing in between upstream > and our users to protect our users

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 5:41 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 30/08/2015 06:04, Philip Webb wrote: >> How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? >> How long between power off/on's ? >> > > Mine depends. I typically do a deliberate reboot only when wanting a new > kernel

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ripper that generates song titles?

2015-08-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:20:45 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > How do you handle compilation/multi-artist CDs? > > Please re-read the message you're replying to. An example .inf file is > attached. That's what I was missing... > There are 3 fields that my algorithm looks at... > > Albumperform

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 17:17:29 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > > $ sudo emerge -lp portage > > > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > > > Calculating dependencies... done! > > [ebuild R] sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > I gues

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2015 06:04, Philip Webb wrote: > How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? > How long between power off/on's ? > > I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, > then restarting after I've woken & got going again myself. > However

Re: [gentoo-user] Problems booting vanilla kernel 4.1.x

2015-08-30 Thread Peter Weilbacher
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > You probably did look into this yourself, but did you double-check > your /etc/lilo.conf? Is everything fine there? At least it's identical between 4.0.5 and 4.1.6: image=/boot/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-4.0.5 label=Linux405 read-only # read-onl

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Dale
cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Dale wrote: > > > The biggest reason I shutdown, power failure. I use checkrestart to see > if/when I need to restart something after doing updates. If for example > I update something in the @system area, then I just logout of the GUI, > go to boot runlevel, run c