Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 25.11.2014 um 18:44 schrieb Gevisz: It usually took me from 10 to 20 minutes to download my daily updates in Ubuntu. For big packages - about 40 minutes or even more. That's the time saving aspect lol :) Not "lol", it is like I told you. Binary distributions are a big, big time saver c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:02:49 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-11-25, Maxim Wexler wrote: > >> > >> No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible > >> in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really > >> *forced* their users to accept the new place

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:56:58 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:35:18 +0100, Emanuele Rusconi wrote: > > > > The point was that it could be changed. […] > > > > > > […] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP. > > > > No, the point was that sometimes even a small annoyan

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:35:18 +0100 Emanuele Rusconi wrote: > On 25 November 2014 at 23:42, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > The point was that it could be changed. […] > > > > […] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP. > > No, the point was that sometimes even a small annoyance is plenty > e

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:35:18 +0100, Emanuele Rusconi wrote: > > The point was that it could be changed. […] > > > > […] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP. > > No, the point was that sometimes even a small annoyance is plenty > enough to drive people away. Well, if you put it like th

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Emanuele Rusconi
On 25 November 2014 at 23:42, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > The point was that it could be changed. […] > > […] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP. No, the point was that sometimes even a small annoyance is plenty enough to drive people away. The point was that when you feel that the distro

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:24:34 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > > > Can you, please, help me? :) > > > > I did, I told you about UbuntuTweak, but here's a link > > http://bit.ly/1rpmTbK > > Yes, but this simply does not work. OK, so it doesn't work. The point was that it could be changed. I neither re

[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-25, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 25/11/2014 18:35, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2014-11-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> There is only the one that portage will happen to install should you not >>> specify a preference. >> >> If "default" doesn't mean "what will happen should you not speci

[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-25, Maxim Wexler wrote: >> >> No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible >> in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really >> *forced* their users to accept the new place of the closing window >> frame button and have argued that it is more ergon

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:49:53 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:55:07 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > > > > > Please, give me the link. I will check if it is correct on my old > > > > Ubuntu 12.04 partition (yes, I still have it) and report the result > > > > here. > > > > > > Why not G

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:56:05 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 25/11/2014 19:03, Gevisz wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:45:50 +0200 Alan McKinnon > > wrote: > > > >> On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote: > I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was > > logical, ergon

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/11/2014 19:03, Gevisz wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:45:50 +0200 Alan McKinnon > wrote: > >> On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote: I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was > logical, ergonomic and saved screen space. >>> Only now, I have realized that, logicall

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/11/2014 18:35, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-11-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> There is only the one that portage will happen to install should you not >> specify a preference. > > If "default" doesn't mean "what will happen should you not specify a > preference", then what _does_ "default

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:55:07 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > > > Please, give me the link. I will check if it is correct on my old > > > Ubuntu 12.04 partition (yes, I still have it) and report the result > > > here. > > > > Why not Google it yourself? > > Because it is very hard to google a link if it d

Re: Re: [gentoo-user] cups-filters failing to build

2014-11-25 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Dienstag 25 November 2014, 12:56:00 schrieb Alec Ten Harmsel: > I am just wondering, though, > why aren't all internal variables prefixed with PORTAGE_ or the like to > prevent this sort of thing? > it's not really internal, just defined in an eclass... and these are regular environment vari

Re: [gentoo-user] dependencies for media-libs/phonon-vlc

2014-11-25 Thread Joseph
On 11/25/14 14:04, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: On 11/25/2014 01:13 PM, Joseph wrote: I'm getting a message for: media-libs/phonon-vlc Calculating dependencies / !!! Problem resolving dependencies for media-libs/phonon-vlc ... done! !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "media-libs/phonon-vlc" has u

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-25 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Montag 24 November 2014, 18:13:56 schrieb James: > > If you want java to prosper at Gentoo, it's gonna take an "inner-circle" > gentoo-dev to at least cheerlead for java within gentoo, imho. > I'm not really sure what this "inner-circle" stuff is supposed to mean. You need a gentoo-dev who

Re: [gentoo-user] dependencies for media-libs/phonon-vlc

2014-11-25 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:13:25AM -0700, Joseph wrote > I'm getting a message for: media-libs/phonon-vlc > > Calculating dependencies / > > !!! Problem resolving dependencies for media-libs/phonon-vlc > ... done! > > !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "media-libs/phonon-vlc" has unmet > requir

Re: [gentoo-user] dependencies for media-libs/phonon-vlc

2014-11-25 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On 11/25/2014 01:13 PM, Joseph wrote: > I'm getting a message for: media-libs/phonon-vlc > > Calculating dependencies / > > !!! Problem resolving dependencies for media-libs/phonon-vlc > ... done! > > !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "media-libs/phonon-vlc" has unmet > requirements. > - media-li

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:21:06 -0700 Maxim Wexler wrote: > > > > No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible > > in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really > > *forced* their users to accept the new place of the closing window > > frame button and have ar

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:37:48 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:09:08 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > I do recall that one way of doing it is with UbuntuTweak. Unity-tweak-tool cant move window buttons to the right in 14.04 as of September 3, 2014: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sou

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Maxim Wexler
> > No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible > in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really > *forced* their users to accept the new place of the closing window > frame button and have argued that it is more ergonomic. > > There was not any possibility t

[gentoo-user] dependencies for media-libs/phonon-vlc

2014-11-25 Thread Joseph
I'm getting a message for: media-libs/phonon-vlc Calculating dependencies / !!! Problem resolving dependencies for media-libs/phonon-vlc ... done! !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "media-libs/phonon-vlc" has unmet requirements. - media-libs/phonon-vlc-0.7.2::gentoo USE="-debug -qt4 (-qt5)" A

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:37:48 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:09:08 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > > > > It was possible, Google has hits on this dated from shortly after the > > > time Unity was released. > > > > Please, give me the link. I will check if it is correct on my old >

Re: [gentoo-user] cups-filters failing to build

2014-11-25 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On 11/25/2014 10:41 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >>> You could check (before running emerge) if you see the "3.2.10" anywhere >>> in >>> your environment ("set|less")... or if maybe $PV or $S is set outside >>> emerge somewhere. >> Wow, incredible. I never thought to check my environment, but the

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:13:53 +0100 Marc Stürmer wrote: > Am 24.11.2014 um 19:25 schrieb Gevisz: > > > I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing > > window button "x" to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of > > Ubuntu 12.04 while I used to look for it in the

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:09:08 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > > It was possible, Google has hits on this dated from shortly after the > > time Unity was released. > > Please, give me the link. I will check if it is correct on my old > Ubuntu 12.04 partition (yes, I still have it) and report the result >

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:41:10 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:53:14 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > > > > Wouldn't it have been easier to use the simple configuration option to > > > move the button back to where you expected it? Far less effort than > > > switching distros. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Gevisz
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:45:50 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote: > >> I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was > >> > logical, ergonomic and saved screen space. > > Only now, I have realized that, logically, it was possible > > to rearrange all t

[gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: > There is only the one that portage will happen to install should you not > specify a preference. If "default" doesn't mean "what will happen should you not specify a preference", then what _does_ "default" mean? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwar

Re: Re: [gentoo-user] cups-filters failing to build

2014-11-25 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
> > You could check (before running emerge) if you see the "3.2.10" anywhere > > in > > your environment ("set|less")... or if maybe $PV or $S is set outside > > emerge somewhere. > > Wow, incredible. I never thought to check my environment, but these: > > MODULE_VERSION=3.2.10 > MODULE_V

Re: [gentoo-user] cups-filters failing to build

2014-11-25 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On 11/25/2014 04:49 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Hi Alec, > >> I've been having a really strange issue with net-print/cups-filters for >> the last few weeks, wondering whether or not it's a bug or I just have >> something configured wrong. Somehow ${S} is defined as: >> >> /var/tmp/portage/

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: new thinkpad with Gentoo

2014-11-25 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Friday, November 21, 2014 08:06:25 PM Peter Weilbacher wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, thegeezer wrote: > > On 20/11/14 18:19, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > > > But I like that trackpoint > > > > yeah at first it's odd, but then when you start getting used to > > navigating without removing

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 25 November 2014 11:45:50 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote: > >> I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was > >> > >> > logical, ergonomic and saved screen space. > > > > Only now, I have realized that, logically, it was possible > > to rearr

Re: [gentoo-user] cups-filters failing to build

2014-11-25 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Hi Alec, > I've been having a really strange issue with net-print/cups-filters for > the last few weeks, wondering whether or not it's a bug or I just have > something configured wrong. Somehow ${S} is defined as: > > /var/tmp/portage/net-print/cups-filters-1.0.53/work/cups-filters-3.2.10 >

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote: >> I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was >> > logical, ergonomic and saved screen space. > Only now, I have realized that, logically, it was possible > to rearrange all the elements of Unity in such a way that > it was logical, ergonomic,

Re: [gentoo-user] Iron penguin on usb?

2014-11-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:17:07 -0500, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > You can also make a multiboot USB (for most live CDs) like that, Just > use syslinux as your bootloader, to install a new live CD (in a > nutshell): > > 1. Create a FAT partition big enough to store the Live CD. If the CD > has a vol

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:53:14 +0200, Gevisz wrote: > > Wouldn't it have been easier to use the simple configuration option to > > move the button back to where you expected it? Far less effort than > > switching distros. > > No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible > in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: cups-filters failing to build

2014-11-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:35:26 +1100, wraeth wrote: > I just had a look through the man pages of emerge, portage and ebuild, > plus at the Gentoo Devmanual and couldn't find anything; however I'm > reasonably certain that in the context of an ebuild, a use flag > defined as "+flag" means that it is

Re: [gentoo-user] Iron penguin on usb?

2014-11-25 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:15:38 PM James wrote: > Hello, > > Ok the latest release of livedvd is here: > > https://www.gentoo.org/news/20140826-livedvd.xml > > So my understanding is you can put this on a usb stick. Run > gentoo live, download packages, set flags, install packages > and