Hello,
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote:
>David Haller wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote:
>> Yeah. Oh, and I had a "clean" smart until a few days ago, luckily I
>> alread had a WD Red (WD40EFRX) drive waiting when this attrib jumped
>> from 0 to: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 087 087 036 P
On Thursday 26 Jun 2014 06:56:26 Mick wrote:
> Sort out access rights to 0604
Oops! Potentially dangerous typo! Should be: "0640" of course.
--
Regards,
Mick
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On Thursday 26 Jun 2014 03:15:54 Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >> I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread
> >> going to the Doctor. It's just something I really don't want to add to
> >> my system unless I have to.
> >
> > Which is why I suggesting something
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Rich Freeman wrote:
>> I don't have anything on the cloud to backup too. That would likely be
>> a good idea but I can't afford anything pricey, which is why I hadn't
>> bought a backup drive before now either. Plus, somethin
Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than
> usual.
>
> I don't have a clue what might have changed ... aside from usual
> updating. I rebuilt and restarted openssh down there without a change.
>
> This is a bit annoying when logging in and
Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 06/25/2014 10:44 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports
>> that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when
>> run 24x7.
>>
> Anecdotal, but...
>
> In 2008 I bought four 24x7 drives (500GB) and e
J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 01:44:23 PM Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
ANY hard drive can fail the day
after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though
obviously the probability of a particular dri
David Haller wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote:
> Yeah. Oh, and I had a "clean" smart until a few days ago, luckily I
> alread had a WD Red (WD40EFRX) drive waiting when this attrib jumped
> from 0 to: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 087 087 036 Pre-fail Always
> 17688 Other Seagat
Bill Kenworthy wrote:
> On 26/06/14 06:16, Dale wrote:
>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote:
>>>
> Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron
> and friends sent to your ISP mailbox.
... and when you find out please tel
Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
>> I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread
>> going to the Doctor. It's just something I really don't want to add to
>> my system unless I have to.
> Which is why I suggesting something like ssmtp, which you can't call a
> server, it just for
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Dale wrote:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
> I don't have anything on the cloud to backup too. That would likely be
> a good idea but I can't afford anything pricey, which is why I hadn't
> bought a backup drive before now either. Plus, something I'd prefer to
> keep und
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Dale wrote:
>> I'm going to bet this drive is out of warranty. I'm pretty sure it is
>> over 2 years since I bought it.
>>
>> Once I replace that drive, I'll dd the thing and see what it does then.
>> It'll either break it or give me a fresh
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Dale wrote:
>> What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so
>> that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then
>> again, that will take time as well. Also takes money.
> Keep in mind that RAID is
On Tue, Jun 24 2014, Marc Joliet wrote:
> Am Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:39:13 -0400
> schrieb gottl...@nyu.edu:
>
>> I think I had first misinterpreted the news msg, but want to be sure I
>> do understand it correctly now.
>>
>> The message ends with
>>
>> All non-systemd users are recommended to cho
On 06/25/2014 10:44 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>
> Like I said, I'm certainly interested in any actual data that supports
> that drives sold to run 24x7 last any longer than desktop drives when
> run 24x7.
>
Anecdotal, but...
In 2008 I bought four 24x7 drives (500GB) and eight regular drives to be
Hello,
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Dale wrote:
>thegeezer wrote:
>> On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote:
>>> Device Model: ST3000DM001-9YN166
I have (had sort of) the same disc, with the same FW.
>>> see the following Seagate web pages:
>>> http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en
>>
On 26/06/14 06:16, Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote:
>>
Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron
and friends sent to your ISP mailbox.
>>> ... and when you find out please tell us:
>>>
>
> What I really
Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 25.06.2014 23:45, schrieb cov...@ccs.covici.com:
>
> > I had a problem like that and solved it by changine UseDNS no
> > because it is trying to look for reverse dns pointers. This is done on
> > the hosts /etc/ssh/sshd_config .
>
> Tried/tested a few hours ag
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:16:17 -0500, Dale wrote:
> >>> Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from
> >>> cron and friends sent to your ISP mailbox.
> I have to say, I dread setting up a mail server about as bad as I dread
> going to the Doctor. It's just something I really
Am 26.06.2014 00:20, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> pam_systemd is (or seems to be) the reason, see my other posting.
maybe it would be also solved by upgrading to the (in terms of gentoo)
unstable version 214 of systemd:
# equery b pam_systemd.so
* Searching for pam_systemd.so ...
sys-apps/s
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Dale wrote:
> What I really need to do, set up a RAID or some other backup method so
> that even if this happens again, I don't risk losing anything. Then
> again, that will take time as well. Also takes money.
Keep in mind that RAID is more about speed of recov
Am 25.06.2014 23:45, schrieb cov...@ccs.covici.com:
> I had a problem like that and solved it by changine UseDNS no
> because it is trying to look for reverse dns pointers. This is done on
> the hosts /etc/ssh/sshd_config .
Tried/tested a few hours ago. No change.
pam_systemd is (or seems to b
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote:
>
>>> Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron
>>> and friends sent to your ISP mailbox.
>> ... and when you find out please tell us:
>>
>> 1) What syntax is appropriate to allow the use of mail a
James wrote:
> Stefan G. Weichinger xunil.at> writes:
>
>
> > When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than
> > usual.
> > Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix that?
>
>
> ssh has an ordered array of negotiations between systems that are related
> to the v
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 22:10:42 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 25.06.2014 21:49, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> > I've also noticed slowdowns recently, I think it's the new ciphers likes
> > ecdsa. Try this:
> >
> > Connect using ssh -vvv and examine the output to find which of the
> > various ciphe
Am 25.06.2014 23:31, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> Am 25.06.2014 23:10, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
>
>> I will see if I can figure out what to do ...
>
> To me it looks as if my issue is related to this line in the logs:
>
> Jun 25 23:30:45 mythtv sshd[5387]: pam_systemd(sshd:session): Fail
Am 25.06.2014 23:31, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> Because the openssh developers have no idea what you set up and cannot
> possibly know. The phrase "as good as possible" has no meaning here as
> the options out there in the wild as whatever they happen to be.
Having users installing their software w
Am 25.06.2014 23:10, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> I will see if I can figure out what to do ...
To me it looks as if my issue is related to this line in the logs:
Jun 25 23:30:45 mythtv sshd[5387]: pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed to
create session: Connection timed out
hmm ...
On 25/06/2014 23:10, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 25.06.2014 21:49, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
>
>> I've also noticed slowdowns recently, I think it's the new ciphers likes
>> ecdsa. Try this:
>>
>> Connect using ssh -vvv and examine the output to find which of the
>> various ciphers and algorithm
On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 01:44:23 PM Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> >> ANY hard drive can fail the day
> >>
> >> after you buy it, a month after you buy it, and so on, though
> >> obviously the probability of a particular drive failing at any poin
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 19:54:51 Joseph wrote:
> On 06/25/14 18:30, Mick wrote:
> >On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 17:42:01 Joseph wrote:
> >> On 06/24/14 17:25, walt wrote:
> >> >On 06/24/2014 08:25 AM, Joseph wrote:
> >> >> On 06/23/14 18:08, Mick wrote:
> >> >>> On Sunday 22 Jun 2014 22:52:40 Joseph w
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> so without looking that drive up - you are using a desktop part for
> non-stop setup?
If I recall correctly, the last drive that died was a more expensive
type of drive, intended for a server setup. So far, the "cheaper"
drives are the ones that have lasted until I
Am 25.06.2014 21:49, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> I've also noticed slowdowns recently, I think it's the new ciphers likes
> ecdsa. Try this:
>
> Connect using ssh -vvv and examine the output to find which of the
> various ciphers and algorithms are used once connection is achieved. On
> the client,
On 25/06/2014 20:41, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 25.06.2014 20:30, schrieb James:
>> Stefan G. Weichinger xunil.at> writes:
>>
>>
>>> When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than
>>> usual.
>>> Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix that?
>>
>>
>> ssh has an
On 06/25/14 18:30, Mick wrote:
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 17:42:01 Joseph wrote:
On 06/24/14 17:25, walt wrote:
>On 06/24/2014 08:25 AM, Joseph wrote:
>> On 06/23/14 18:08, Mick wrote:
>>> On Sunday 22 Jun 2014 22:52:40 Joseph wrote:
I run a server and have two firefox profiles.
I have s
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
>
> You're going to want to cron a 'scrub' and have it email you. There's no
> background daemon that I'm aware of to handle this. ZFS just introduced
> 'zed' and it would be nice if BTRFS would do the same
Actually, I think that for seriou
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> I don't think anybody makes a monitor for btrfs, though my boot is
> mirrored across all my btrfs drives using mdadm so a drive failure
> should be detected in any case. I need to check up on that, though -
> I'd like an email if something g
Am 25.06.2014 20:30, schrieb James:
> Stefan G. Weichinger xunil.at> writes:
>
>
>> When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than
>> usual.
>> Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix that?
>
>
> ssh has an ordered array of negotiations between systems that are
Stefan G. Weichinger xunil.at> writes:
> When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than
> usual.
> Does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix that?
ssh has an ordered array of negotiations between systems that are related
to the version numbers of ssh and the other
On 25/06/2014 17:30, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer wrote:
>>> On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I got a drive picked out at Newegg.
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
> Am 25.06.2014 19:06, schrieb Rich Freeman:
>> Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant
>> setup than to try to avoid faults by spending more on the parts. I've
>> only run desktop hard drives on my 24x7 RAID
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 17:42:01 Joseph wrote:
> On 06/24/14 17:25, walt wrote:
> >On 06/24/2014 08:25 AM, Joseph wrote:
> >> On 06/23/14 18:08, Mick wrote:
> >>> On Sunday 22 Jun 2014 22:52:40 Joseph wrote:
> I run a server and have two firefox profiles.
> I have ssl enabled.
>
>
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:44:48 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have all mails from cron
> > and friends sent to your ISP mailbox.
>
> ... and when you find out please tell us:
>
> 1) What syntax is appropriate to allow the use of mail account passwds
> which
Am 25.06.2014 19:06, schrieb Rich Freeman:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> wrote:
>> so without looking that drive up - you are using a desktop part for
>> non-stop setup?
> Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant
> setup than to try to avoid
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
>
> so without looking that drive up - you are using a desktop part for
> non-stop setup?
Honestly, I think it makes far more sense to build a fault-tolerant
setup than to try to avoid faults by spending more on the parts. I've
only r
Am 25.06.2014 09:49, schrieb Dale:
> thegeezer wrote:
>> this is pretty bad. enough to really go and get a replacement asap,
>> and turn that disk off if you can. the self test stops at the first
>> error it comes to and in this case it is LBA#2905482560 for
>> calculation of where the error is che
On Wednesday 25 Jun 2014 17:09:52 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:54:51 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > I'm using lvm here. I also don't have a mail server set up which is why
> > I run them manually.
>
> Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have al mails from cron and
> friends sen
On 06/24/14 17:25, walt wrote:
On 06/24/2014 08:25 AM, Joseph wrote:
On 06/23/14 18:08, Mick wrote:
On Sunday 22 Jun 2014 22:52:40 Joseph wrote:
I run a server and have two firefox profiles.
I have ssl enabled.
When I open one profile I it opens my web-page in "https" instead of "http"
When I
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Dale wrote:
> I'm going to bet this drive is out of warranty. I'm pretty sure it is
> over 2 years since I bought it.
>
> Once I replace that drive, I'll dd the thing and see what it does then.
> It'll either break it or give me a fresh start to play with and see
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:30 AM, wrote:
>
> Is it not true that you cannot run raid on consumer drives because of
> timing errors?
>
Yes, it is not true. :)
I've never had issues running RAID on consumer drives.
Sure, devices certified for RAID might spend less time trying to
recover data w
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:54:51 -0500, Dale wrote:
> I'm using lvm here. I also don't have a mail server set up which is why
> I run them manually.
Install a simple forwarding MTA like ssmtp to have al mails from cron and
friends sent to your ISP mailbox.
--
Neil Bothwick
Beware! The end is...
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Dale wrote:
>> thegeezer wrote:
>>> On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote:
thegeezer wrote:
>>> this says there are 104 pending sectors i.e. bad blocks on the drive
>>> that have not been reallocatd yet
>> Wonder why it hasn't? Isn't it sup
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:33:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them -
>>> alarmingly often, actually.
>> Do you have a UPS? I used to get similar levels of f
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer wrote:
> > On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote:
> >
> >
> > I got a drive picked out at Newegg.
> >
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
> >
> >
> > slightly offtopic - i notice that the driv
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:33:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them -
> alarmingly often, actually.
Do you have a UPS? I used to get similar levels of failure, and not just
drives,then I bought a UPS and things got much better. It seems the
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 08:33:37 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> Typically drives tend to die for me about a year after I buy them -
>> alarmingly often, actually.
>
> Do you have a UPS? I used to get similar levels of failure, and not just
> dr
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Dale wrote:
> thegeezer wrote:
>> On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote:
>>> thegeezer wrote:
>> this says there are 104 pending sectors i.e. bad blocks on the drive
>> that have not been reallocatd yet
>
> Wonder why it hasn't? Isn't it supposed to do that sort of
Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> On 06/25/2014 12:55:08 PM, thegeezer wrote:
> > On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote:
> > >
> > > I got a drive picked out at Newegg.
> > >
> > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
> >
> > slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive h
thegeezer wrote:
> On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote:
>> thegeezer wrote:
>>> this is pretty bad.
>> Here is the output:
>>
>> root@fireball / # smartctl -a /dev/sdc
>> smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build)
>> Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:55 AM, thegeezer wrote:
> On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote:
>
>
> I got a drive picked out at Newegg.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
>
>
> slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty
>
> has any
Dale wrote:
>
>
> I got a drive picked out at Newegg.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
>
>
>
Drive is ordered. Be here tomorrow. Yay Newegg.
Dale
:-) :-)
On 06/25/2014 12:55:08 PM, thegeezer wrote:
On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote:
>
> I got a drive picked out at Newegg.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited
warranty
has anyone managed to
On 06/25/2014 11:05 AM, Dale wrote:
>
> I got a drive picked out at Newegg.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844
slightly offtopic - i notice that the drive has a 2year limited warranty
has anyone managed to get anything from hard drive warranties ?
On 06/25/2014 08:49 AM, Dale wrote:
> thegeezer wrote:
>> this is pretty bad.
> Here is the output:
>
> root@fireball / # smartctl -a /dev/sdc
> smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build)
> Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
>
When I ssh into a server in my basement, this takes way more time than
usual.
I don't have a clue what might have changed ... aside from usual
updating. I rebuilt and restarted openssh down there without a change.
This is a bit annoying when logging in and using git to pull/push stuff
from/to th
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 00:05:03 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> That's a 3TB drive. I don't have anything big enough to back it up to.
>
> Then either your data is not important to you or you need to get another
> drive ASAP. Meanwhile, you could start backing up the most important dat
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 00:05:03 -0500, Dale wrote:
> That's a 3TB drive. I don't have anything big enough to back it up to.
Then either your data is not important to you or you need to get another
drive ASAP. Meanwhile, you could start backing up the most important data.
> Is there anyway to find
thegeezer wrote:
> this is pretty bad. enough to really go and get a replacement asap,
> and turn that disk off if you can. the self test stops at the first
> error it comes to and in this case it is LBA#2905482560 for
> calculation of where the error is check out the smartcl [1] site which
> will
J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> There are some options with smartctl you could try to force the drive
>> to swap that bad sector with a spare one. A full disk read could also
>> force that. Eg. Try ' dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/null '. But, I usually
>> order a replacement when Smart tests start throwing errors.
On 06/25/2014 06:05 AM, Dale wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On 25 June 2014 01:09:03 CEST, Dale wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this:
>>>
>>> root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc
>>> smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo]
Am Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:09:03 -0500
schrieb Dale :
> Howdy,
>
> I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this:
>
> root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc
> smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-gentoo] (local build)
> Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian F
On 25 June 2014 07:05:03 CEST, Dale wrote:
>J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On 25 June 2014 01:09:03 CEST, Dale wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> I run this test every once in a while. How bad is this:
>>>
>>> root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdc
>>> smartctl 6.1 2013-03-16 r3800 [x86_64-linux-3.14.0-
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