On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:08:43 -0600 Daniel Campbell wrote:
> It's marginally clever, but so clearly obvious at the same time. It's
> sad (to me) that the community didn't see it coming. Those who did have
> been written off as conspiracy theorists or FUDders. Time will reveal all.
Indeed time revea
Thanks a lot.
On 2014年02月21日 02:41, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> Original Message
>> Subject: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production
>> environment?
>> Date:Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:41:28 +0800
>> From:Franklin Wang
>> To: gentoo-ser...@lists.gentoo
Thanks for your help. The choice for HPC can be more free. I prepare to
try it in datacenter, for FTP first, and then web server, mail server
and so forth. Of course, I still think it's better to use rhel or suse
for database, CRM and others.
On 2014年02月20日 22:35, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
20.02.2014 19:24, Alan McKinnon пишет:
On 20/02/2014 13:53, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
I don't need such 'solutions' to non-existent problems. But if there
were a *real* necessity to pretty-print a log's tail in service status,
I think it would have been a matter of a proper setup (i.e. the servi
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:36:15 +0800 Mark David Dumlao wrote:
[...]
> > So, please, don't take it as an insult. In fact you have done a very good
> > job of patiently spelling out the advantages of systemd, to the point I'm no
> > longer afraid of it taking over and devouring the linux world.
>
> If
Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> If udev wants systemd, and you don't, but you want to continue using
> udev, it's _your_ job to look for a method or patch or package or
> script that makes it work.
That's already done. It's called eudev. :-D
Dale
:-) :-)
--
I am only responsible for what I sai
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 12:43 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Tanstaafl
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2014-02-19 2:04 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be cho
On 02/20/2014 08:53 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
> On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Dan
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>>> On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> The social
> tactics at wor
On 02/20/2014 07:42 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
>>> On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
The social
tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
projects
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Michael Higgins wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:37:09 -0800
> Michael Higgins wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll go re-wire my tin hat now. Hope someone found this amusing.
>
> One other thought I'd has was, well, as long as systemd doesn't, like,
> implement some kind of net
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
>> On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>>> The social
>>> tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
>>> projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Michael Higgins wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:38:46 -0600
> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Tanstaafl
>> wrote:
>> > On 2014-02-20 4:04 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> No, actually, I think whatever is defined as t
On 21 Feb 2014 06:33, "Facundo Curti" wrote:
>
> > the advantage of clustering servers though is you can take one out and
update it. if you use a distributed compliation [1] and tell portage to
keep the binaries [2] you can take a few out and do them together, then the
remainder do not require c
> the advantage of clustering servers though is you can take one out and
update it. if you use a distributed compliation [1] and tell portage to
keep the binaries [2] you can take a few out and do them together, then the
remainder do not require compilation as the compile has been
It is True. I
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:59:39 -0500, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> > It seems the systemd profile masks the static and static-libs USE
> > flags, which are needed by crytsetup and lvm for my initramfs, which
> > mounts / from a LUKS partition. Forcing an unmask of these flags in
> > /etc/portage/profile di
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:37:09 -0800
Michael Higgins wrote:
> Okay, I'll go re-wire my tin hat now. Hope someone found this amusing.
One other thought I'd has was, well, as long as systemd doesn't, like,
implement some kind of net protocol, so to make it possible to ship
logs from systemdjournalc
On 02/15/2014 08:09 PM, walt wrote:
> On 02/15/2014 12:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>> The social
>> tactics at work from the systemd team (and verily, other Red Hat
>> projects like GNOME) are reminiscent of Microsoft through the use of the
>> "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" methodology.
>
> I cer
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:38:46 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Tanstaafl
> wrote:
> > On 2014-02-20 4:04 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No, actually, I think whatever is defined as the current default
> >>> should dictate which group should be requi
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:48:01 +, Neil Bothwick
wrote:
> I thought I'd have another look at systemd, so switched profiles, made
> sure I had all the kernel options needed and then did an emerge -uN
> world.
>
> It seems the systemd profile masks the static and static-libs USE
> flags, which are
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> I thought I'd have another look at systemd, so switched profiles, made
> sure I had all the kernel options needed and then did an emerge -uN world.
>
> It seems the systemd profile masks the static and static-libs USE flags,
> which are neede
ons 2014-02-19 klockan 21:14 +0100 skrev Stefan G. Weichinger:
> Am 19.02.2014 20:02, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
>
> > Yes, it can. But not in the obvious way.
> >
> > Video cards and GPUs are complex devices implementing numerous
> > features. It is possible that your GPU/video card hardware is brok
I thought I'd have another look at systemd, so switched profiles, made
sure I had all the kernel options needed and then did an emerge -uN world.
It seems the systemd profile masks the static and static-libs USE flags,
which are needed by crytsetup and lvm for my initramfs, which mounts /
from a L
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:06:45 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
> Does anyone know of any software that can create a bootable CD/DVD or
> USB stick, that has a customizable menu that will let you boot pretty
> much any ISO file you copy to the disk and point to with the menu?
I tried something called Mult
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 4:04 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>
>>> No, actually, I think whatever is defined as the current default should
>>> dictate which group should be required to do the work.
>
>
>> I think this is where we think differently (regar
On 2014-02-20 4:04 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
No, actually, I think whatever is defined as the current default should
dictate which group should be required to do the work.
I think this is where we think differently (regarding this particular
point). The work must be done by *whomever* wa
On 20 febbraio 2014 22:06:45 CET, Tanstaafl wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Does anyone know of any software that can create a bootable CD/DVD or
>USB stick, that has a customizable menu that will let you boot pretty
>much any ISO file you copy to the disk and point to with the menu?
Looks like Unetbootin i
Hi all,
Does anyone know of any software that can create a bootable CD/DVD or
USB stick, that has a customizable menu that will let you boot pretty
much any ISO file you copy to the disk and point to with the menu?
It seems like I've seen something like this before, but all I can find
are on
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Tanstaafl
wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 1:36 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> The moment I saw that the profile is already done, I changed my
>> mind; the people using systemd ALREADY did the work (which seems to be
>> trivial, BTW; I didn't knew that either), theref
On 20/02/2014 22:41, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:52:07PM +0400, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
>
>> And this point is one of the highest security benefits in real world:
>> one have non-standard binaries, not available in the wild. Most
>> exploits will fail on such binaries even
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:52:07PM +0400, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> And this point is one of the highest security benefits in real world:
> one have non-standard binaries, not available in the wild. Most
> exploits will fail on such binaries even if vulnerability is still
> there.
While excludin
On 2014-02-20 1:36 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The moment I saw that the profile is already done, I changed my
mind; the people using systemd ALREADY did the work (which seems to be
trivial, BTW; I didn't knew that either), therefore no one is trying
forcing anyone to do work, then a systemd
> Original Message
> Subject: How about the gentoo server or cluster in production
> environment?
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 09:41:28 +0800
> From: Franklin Wang
> To: gentoo-ser...@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-clus...@lists.gentoo.org
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm not
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 10:55 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Tanstaafl
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> while I agree with most everything you said, your primary point -
>>> that it should be the people who *don't* want systemd d
On 2014-02-20 10:55 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
while I agree with most everything you said, your primary point -
that it should be the people who *don't* want systemd doing all of
the work - was backwards, and that was what I wanted to poin
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:29:52 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> The 20/02/14, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
>
> >Gentoo makes the best server os because it's a custom built os where the
> >admin knows each and every aspect of the os. Security wise, there are no
> >unwanted or unused stuff, so
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
>
>
> 20.02.2014 09:24, Canek Peláez Valdés пишет:
>>
>> [ snip ]
>>
>>> but I do not see the point, beyond as a nice gimmick.
>>
>>
>> Well, I *do* see a point. Many points, actually. You want the logs for
>> SSH, from February 12 to Februa
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 12:43 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Tanstaafl
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2014-02-19 2:04 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be cho
On 20/02/2014 13:53, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> I don't need such 'solutions' to non-existent problems. But if there
> were a *real* necessity to pretty-print a log's tail in service status,
> I think it would have been a matter of a proper setup (i.e. the service
> using syslog, hence a defined log
On 20/02/2014 11:16, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
>
>
> 20.02.2014 09:24, Canek Peláez Valdés пишет:
>> [ snip ]
>>> but I do not see the point, beyond as a nice gimmick.
>>
>> Well, I *do* see a point. Many points, actually. You want the logs for
>> SSH, from February 12 to February 15? Done:
>>
>> j
Hi,
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:40:59 +0800 Franklin Wang wrote:
> I'm not familiar with gentoo server and cluster. So could you tell me
> the experience about them? Thanks.
We have successful experience with Gentoo on both production servers
(someone call this area "enterprise", though I dislike such
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:38:06 +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
> I've tried
>
> emerge -uv1 `equery -q d P`
>
> or emerge -uv1 `qdepends -q -Q P`
>
> but both commands (equery and qdepends) generate a list with the
> version attached like
>app-editors/kile-2.1.3
> which emerge doesn't like (
On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:38:06 +0100, Helmut Jarausch
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a very simple question. How to emerge (update) all packages
> which depend on some
> given package P.
>
> I've tried
>
> emerge -uv1 `equery -q d P`
>
> or emerge -uv1 `qdepends -q -Q P`
>
> but both commands (eque
2014-02-20 13:38 GMT+01:00 Helmut Jarausch :
> Hi,
>
> I have a very simple question. How to emerge (update) all packages which
> depend on some
> given package P.
>
> I've tried
>
> emerge -uv1 `equery -q d P`
>
> or emerge -uv1 `qdepends -q -Q P`
>
> but both commands (equery and qdepends) gener
On 2014-02-20 12:43 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-02-19 2:04 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen as
the default.
Ridiculous. Forget about Canek's rant...
This is about *
Hi,
I have a very simple question. How to emerge (update) all packages
which depend on some
given package P.
I've tried
emerge -uv1 `equery -q d P`
or emerge -uv1 `qdepends -q -Q P`
but both commands (equery and qdepends) generate a list with the
version attached like
app-editors/kil
On 2014-02-20 7:04 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-02-19 7:53 PM, Facundo Curti wrote:
This is true, but gentoo is a little unstable to use on production. The
system must be on 365 days/year. ¿and when you need to update the
system? This will use all the processor and the system will be
overloade
On 2014-02-19 7:53 PM, Facundo Curti wrote:
This is true, but gentoo is a little unstable to use on production. The
system must be on 365 days/year. ¿and when you need to update the
system? This will use all the processor and the system will be
overloaded. This means users can't use the system w
20.02.2014 15:33, Nicolas Sebrecht пишет:
The 20/02/14, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
(see [2]) will print the status of the Apache web server, and also the
last lines from the logs. You can control how many lines. You can
check also with the journal, as I showed up.
I believe it would be a 5-min
The 20/02/14, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> > (see [2]) will print the status of the Apache web server, and also the
> > last lines from the logs. You can control how many lines. You can
> > check also with the journal, as I showed up.
>
> I believe it would be a 5-minutes job to add the capability o
The 20/02/14, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote:
>Gentoo makes the best server os because it's a custom built os where the
>admin knows each and every aspect of the os. Security wise, there are no
>unwanted or unused stuff, so lesser bugs to deal with.
While I agree with the "less code is less
On 02/20/2014 12:53 AM, Facundo Curti
wrote:
I think a "more stable" distro is better for production.
My choice is debian. I think you cant find nothing more
stable that debian...
>Gentoo makes the
20.02.2014 09:24, Canek Peláez Valdés пишет:
[ snip ]
but I do not see the point, beyond as a nice gimmick.
Well, I *do* see a point. Many points, actually. You want the logs for
SSH, from February 12 to February 15? Done:
journalctl --since=2014-02-12 --until=2014-02-15 -u sshd.service
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