Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation for CPU type in QEMU?

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 01.08.2013 03:02, schrieb Walter Dnes: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:45:48AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote > >> Please provide the content of /proc/cpuinfo on the host. > > The first one is my shiney almost new desktop (Dell Inspiron 660) and > the second one is my "hot backup" (more like emergen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 07/31/2013 02:05 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 1/08/2013 04:34, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> It seems a little rude to pop in, address them personally, and ask them >> each if they'd devote months of their time towards mentoring me. (Doing >> so can pressure someone into agreeing to something h

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 01/08/2013 00:25, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 22:43, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> ... >> Are we OK on this for now, or is there more to discuss? > > Yes, that's great. I'm glad we can be open and honest when we've got these > kinds of problems. > > On other occasions I've worried tha

Re: [gentoo-user] which VM do you recommend?

2013-07-31 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 09:40:04PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote > > ssh -P 60022 root@localhost /sbin/poweroff Oops... that should read... ssh -p 60022 root@localhost /sbin/poweroff scp uses uppercase "P" for port number. It goes without saying, but I probably should say it; ssh needs to have

Re: [gentoo-user] how to tell you are using systemd?

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Wang Xuerui wrote: > 在 2013-8-1 上午10:26, 写道: > > >> >> Can a shell script tell if systemd is the init? I have a couple of >> places where it would be nice to know this. >> >> Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > Check /proc/1/comm or something like that, IIR

Re: [gentoo-user] how to tell you are using systemd?

2013-07-31 Thread Wang Xuerui
在 2013-8-1 上午10:26, 写道: > > Can a shell script tell if systemd is the init? I have a couple of > places where it would be nice to know this. > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Check /proc/1/comm or something like that, IIRC...

[gentoo-user] how to tell you are using systemd?

2013-07-31 Thread covici
Can a shell script tell if systemd is the init? I have a couple of places where it would be nice to know this. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.c

Re: [gentoo-user] which VM do you recommend?

2013-07-31 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 07:40:36AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote > On 2013-07-30 8:30 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > >Why do you need vmware tools? From the host, execute... > > > > ssh root@ /sbin/poweroff > > Two reasons this isn't sufficient... > > 1. Extended power outage > > If my UPS sends a

Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation for CPU type in QEMU?

2013-07-31 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:45:48AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote > Please provide the content of /proc/cpuinfo on the host. The first one is my shiney almost new desktop (Dell Inspiron 660) and the second one is my "hot backup" (more like emergency backup, 6-year-old Dell Dimension 530). I'll be o

[gentoo-user] Re: [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

2013-07-31 Thread walt
On 07/29/2013 06:04 PM, walt wrote: > I'm going to test cinnamon next, and I'll post results in a day or > two. Sad to report that gentoo's cinnamon-1.6.7-r2 is out of date :( Arch linux installs gnome-3.8 and cinnamon-1.8.8-2, which work fairly well together but not perfectly. The reason cinnam

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread walt
On 07/31/2013 11:09 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > There's an idea floating around that openrc could use systemd unit files > but it's still just an idea. I must have crossed the line into grumpy-old-man-hood. That idea is insane. Someone is willing to re-write udev to use Lennart's config files but

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 July 2013, at 20:28, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> Right, which is a bit freakin' odd, because on most every previous distro >> and other *nix system, that's where the system administrator goes to start >> and stop services. >> >> If they're not used, in this case, I don't think they shoul

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 July 2013, at 22:43, Alan McKinnon wrote: > ... > Are we OK on this for now, or is there more to discuss? Yes, that's great. I'm glad we can be open and honest when we've got these kinds of problems. On other occasions I've worried that you might have driven away someone who was seeking

Re: [gentoo-user] ata6: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000000 action 0xe frozen

2013-07-31 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:17:02PM +0300, Thanasis wrote: > on 07/31/2013 10:06 PM Paul Hartman wrote the following: > > > > There are a few approaches to try figuring it out explained here: > > > > http://serverfault.com/questions/244944/linux-ata-errors-translating-to-a-device-name > > > > Lo

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread gottlieb
On Wed, Jul 31 2013, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: > I apologize for all the questions, but one still remains. > > The wiki says to >emerge --ask --changed-use --deep @world > > One could make small additions/changes, but there is a large one that is > not clear. Should you have --update ? Thank y

Re: [gentoo-user] ata6: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000000 action 0xe frozen

2013-07-31 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Thanasis wrote: > Early during booting phase, dmesg shows: > > [0.515651] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xfdefe000 port > 0xfdefe180 irq 17 > [0.833387] ata6: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) > > But later, it reports lots like the following sta

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 31/07/2013 23:22, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 20:38, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> ... >>> Heck! Even according to yourself, in the same email, I'm not understanding >>> it wrong! >>> >>> >>> I've asked you this before - would you stop wrongly telling people they're >>> wrong, please?

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 July 2013, at 20:38, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> ... >> Heck! Even according to yourself, in the same email, I'm not understanding >> it wrong! >> >> >> I've asked you this before - would you stop wrongly telling people they're >> wrong, please? >> >> Would you please just stop and think "c

Re: [gentoo-user] ata6: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000000 action 0xe frozen

2013-07-31 Thread Thanasis
on 07/31/2013 10:06 PM Paul Hartman wrote the following: > > There are a few approaches to try figuring it out explained here: > > http://serverfault.com/questions/244944/linux-ata-errors-translating-to-a-device-name > Looking into /sys/dev/block it seems like /dev/sda is on ata1 and /dev/sdb i

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:22:21PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > acero ~ # du -sh /usr/share/man > 82M /usr/share/man > acero ~ # du -sh /usr/lib/systemd/ > 3.6M /usr/lib/systemd/ > > And /usr/share/doc is 2.5G in my laptop. That's due to USE=doc rather than USE=-doc -- Happy Penguin Co

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 06:31:36PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: > > In standard, formal English, that's correct. > > However, in some English dialects, a double-negatve does not equate to > a positive. A double negative is simply a stronger negative. For > example, "don't do nothing" is a strong

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:24:29PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bruce Hill > wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> > > >> > Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some > >> > of the s

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 31/07/2013 20:54, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote: >>> >>> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging about some data file

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 July 2013, at 20:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > … if you used systemd, and tried to run "/etc/init.d/whatever start", > … > Nowadays you get the following warning: > > * You are attempting to run an openrc service on a > * system which openrc did not boot. > *... > > So it's pretty harm

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:54:54 +0100, Stroller wrote: > > If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except > > functions.sh) don't actually do nothing. > > Right, which is a bit freakin' odd, because on most every previous > distro and other *nix system, that's where the system

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 31/07/2013 20:54, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller >> wrote: >>> >>> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging >>

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:43:55 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: > The wiki says to >emerge --ask --changed-use --deep @world > > One could make small additions/changes, but there is a large one that is > not clear. Should you have --update ? --changed-use will re-emerge any packages affected by

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 1/08/2013 04:34, Michael Orlitzky wrote: It seems a little rude to pop in, address them personally, and ask them each if they'd devote months of their time towards mentoring me. (Doing so can pressure someone into agreeing to something he doesn't want to do, or makes him reject you personally

Re: [gentoo-user] ata6: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000000 action 0xe frozen

2013-07-31 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 09:11:22PM +0300, Thanasis wrote: > Early during booting phase, dmesg shows: > > [0.515651] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xfdefe000 port > 0xfdefe180 irq 17 > [0.833387] ata6: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) > > But later, it reports lots like the fol

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 July 2013, at 20:03, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Stroller > wrote: >> >> On 31 July 2013, at 19:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > ... > If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except > functions.sh) don't actually do nothing

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller >> wrote: >>> >>> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but

Re: [gentoo-user] ata6: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000000 action 0xe frozen

2013-07-31 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Thanasis wrote: > Early during booting phase, dmesg shows: > > [0.515651] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xfdefe000 port > 0xfdefe180 irq 17 > [0.833387] ata6: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) > > But later, it reports lots like the following sta

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 19:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: ... If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except functions.sh) don't actually do nothing. >>> >>> In English "don't actually do nothing" means "do somethi

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 July 2013, at 19:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>> ... >>> If you use systemd, all the files installed in /etc/init.d (except >>> functions.sh) don't actually do nothing. >> >> In English "don't actually do nothing" means "do something"; i.e. "don't >> actually do anything" != "don't actu

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote: >> >> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> ... >>> Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging >>> about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD s

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 July 2013, at 19:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller > wrote: >> >> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> ... >>> Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging >>> about some data files is not. Anyone who does

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: >> On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote: >>> >>> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whingi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/31/2013 02:25 PM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 31/07/2013 22:56, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> Lately I've been submitting things to the gentoo-haskell overlay. > > Have you asked any members of that project if they would be interested > in being your mentor? Even if they can't, they might kno

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-07-31, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Pel?ez Vald?s wrote: >>> >>> Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly >>> some of the statements made here about systemd - that there will be >>> files installed to /etc/init.d/ that don't a

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 30/07/2013 17:04, Pavel Volkov wrote: It is reliable, but for now I'll suggest adding "-consolekit" line into /etc/portage/profile/use.force (at least if you use default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/kde profile like me) Good news, we will be making changes with KDE 4.11 so that we no longer fo

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 31/07/2013 22:56, Michael Orlitzky wrote: Lately I've been submitting things to the gentoo-haskell overlay. Have you asked any members of that project if they would be interested in being your mentor? Even if they can't, they might know someone who can.

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> > >> > Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some of >> > the statements made here about systemd - that there will be files >> > installed to /

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote: >> >> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> ... >>> Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging >>> about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their O

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Bruce Hill
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:09:03PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > > > Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some of > > the statements made here about systemd - that there will be files installed > > to /etc/init.d/ that don't actually do anything. > > If you u

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Yohan Pereira
On 31/07/13 at 06:56pm, Stroller wrote: > Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some of the > statements made here about systemd - that there will be files installed to > /etc/init.d/ that don't actually do anything. If your refering to what I think your refering to t

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> ... >> Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging >> about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD show >> in ways they really should be keeping private. >

[gentoo-user] ata6: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000000 action 0xe frozen

2013-07-31 Thread Thanasis
Early during booting phase, dmesg shows: [0.515651] ata6: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xfdefe000 port 0xfdefe180 irq 17 [0.833387] ata6: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) But later, it reports lots like the following stanza: [164362.715469] ata6: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stroller wrote: > > On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> ... >> Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging >> about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD show >> in ways they really should be keeping

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Stroller
On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: > ... > Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging > about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD show > in ways they really should be keeping private. Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm under

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > Thank you Canek and Graham. > > I apologize for all the questions, but one still remains. > > The wiki says to >emerge --ask --changed-use --deep @world > > One could make small additions/changes, but there is a large one that is > not clear. Should

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:36:31 -0500, »Q« wrote: > > If this really is 'the one true way' to 'totally opt out of systemd', > > then in my opinion there should be a very thorough example of *how* > > to 'opt out of systemd' included in the man page. > > I'd rather not see man make.conf cluttered

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread gottlieb
Thank you Canek and Graham. I apologize for all the questions, but one still remains. The wiki says to emerge --ask --changed-use --deep @world One could make small additions/changes, but there is a large one that is not clear. Should you have --update ? allan

Re: [gentoo-user] SQL Server Advice for Small Business

2013-07-31 Thread Andrew Lowe
On Mon, July 29, 2013 22:22, Randy Westlund wrote: Hey guys, I'm planning to set up an SQL server for my dad's small canvas awning business, and I've never done this before. Most of my sysadmin-type skills are self-taught. I could use some advice. [snip] Randy, I've read your original post a

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 31/07/2013 17:36, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > No, because the *exact same* situation occurs for Bash completion > scripts... and logrotate scripts... and cron jobs... and... > > The devs decided (and I agree with them) that the important thing is > to cover the necessities of the majority of u

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-07-31 11:45 AM, Yohan Pereira wrote: The "one true way" is to set -systemd in your useflags. However anything that hard depends on systemd will pull it in like AFAIR gnome. Trying to opt-out of systemd in these cases is not supported and probably not trivial. Ok, I misread some things

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/31/2013 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > For the record, I now think it's a waste of time trying to stop the > installation of tiny files that basically do nothing, either in > /usr/lib/systemd/system or in /etc/init.d, but you have the option if > you so desire. The nice thing abou

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Yohan Pereira
On 31/07/13 at 11:26am, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > > If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that > > depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many > > packages will install systemd unit files in /urs/lib/sy

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread »Q«
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:24:09 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-07-31 8:41 AM, Yohan Pereira wrote: > > On 31/07/13 at 08:30am, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> So, how should this be used to 'opt out of systemd completely'? > > > > from main make.conf > > "Use this variable if you want to selectively

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 31/07/13 18:26, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many packages will install systemd unit files in /urs/lib/systemd/system. Th

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> >> If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that >> depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many >> packages will install systemd unit files in

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > On Wed, Jul 31 2013, Graham Murray wrote: > >> Canek Peláez Valdés writes: >> >>> The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, >>> which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Perhaps it's >>> CONFIG_PROTECT'd, but any

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-07-31 11:20 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: If you don't use the systemd USE flag (and never install anything that depends on systemd), you will not get systemd installed, but many packages will install systemd unit files in /urs/lib/systemd/system. This unit files are little non-executab

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-07-31 8:41 AM, Yohan Pereira wrote: On 31/07/13 at 08:30am, Tanstaafl wrote: So, how should this be used to 'opt out of systemd completely'? from main make.conf "Use this variable if you want to selectively prevent certain files from being copied into your file system tree. ..

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Graham Murray wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés writes: > >> The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, >> which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Perhaps it's >> CONFIG_PROTECT'd, but anyway sys-fs/udev and sys-apps/systemd i

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-07-31 8:22 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >> On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:34:22 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >> >>> Where is this 'INSTALL_MASK' option for opting out of systemd >>> completely documented? >> >> >> man make.conf > > > Thanks but... I d

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread gottlieb
On Wed, Jul 31 2013, Graham Murray wrote: > Canek Peláez Valdés writes: > >> The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, >> which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Perhaps it's >> CONFIG_PROTECT'd, but anyway sys-fs/udev and sys-apps/systemd install >> th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 07/31/2013 03:25 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 31/07/2013 09:48, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> I want to become a dev, what's my next step? There is none. Help out, >> and maybe someone will notice you? Ok, I'm on it. Been doing it for >> years, and I know several other people in the same situat

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Yohan Pereira
On 31/07/13 at 08:30am, Tanstaafl wrote: > So, how should this be used to 'opt out of systemd completely'? from main make.conf "Use this variable if you want to selectively prevent certain files from being copied into your file system tree. .." You can use it to prevent ebuilds from insta

Re: [gentoo-user] which VM do you recommend?

2013-07-31 Thread William Kenworthy
On 31/07/13 19:40, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-07-30 8:30 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 06:36:57AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote >> >>> Side question... >>> >>> I want to run the vmware tools on my gentoo VM (so the host can safely >>> power it down), but it also requires modules. >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-07-31 8:22 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:34:22 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Where is this 'INSTALL_MASK' option for opting out of systemd completely documented? man make.conf Thanks but... I didn't see one word mention of systemd. So, how should this be used to 'opt o

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:34:22 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > Where is this 'INSTALL_MASK' option for opting out of systemd > completely documented? man make.conf -- Neil Bothwick If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation for CPU type in QEMU?

2013-07-31 Thread Kerin Millar
On 31/07/2013 12:31, Marc Joliet wrote: [snip] There's also "-cpu host", which simply passes your CPU through to the guest. That's what I use for my 32 bit WinXP VM. You can use it if you don't mind not being able to migrate your guest, but it sounds to me like you're doing this on a desktop m

Re: [gentoo-user] which VM do you recommend?

2013-07-31 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-07-30 8:30 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 06:36:57AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote Side question... I want to run the vmware tools on my gentoo VM (so the host can safely power it down), but it also requires modules. Why do you need vmware tools? From the host, execute.

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Tanstaafl
Top-posting because my question is about something in the linked threads... In one comment was said the following: Can I ask the systemd people to design a working solution for opting out? I can't support this initiative without such a solution and I would be happy to work with the systemd peo

Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation for CPU type in QEMU?

2013-07-31 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:11:24 -0400 schrieb "Walter Dnes" : > I'm looking at setting up 32-bit WINE to run a 32-bit Windows app. > Since I'm on a pure 64-bit (no multi-lib) machine, that doesn't exactly > work, which is why I'm looking at QEMU. I need to run WINE in 32 bit > mode, on a 32-bit in

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread hasufell
On 07/30/2013 11:32 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 07/30/2013 01:16 PM, hasufell wrote: >> And we need MOAR devs >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1&chap=2 >> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs >> >> so awesome! srsly! >> >> What many peo

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2013-07-30 5:32 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: Which projects are most in need of developers or maintainers? I wouldn't mind learning a bit more about package maintenance, portage, and ebuilds... One that I would *love* to see updated is sogo, which is in the gnustep overlay http://www.

Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation for CPU type in QEMU?

2013-07-31 Thread Kerin Millar
On 31/07/2013 11:11, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm looking at setting up 32-bit WINE to run a 32-bit Windows app. Since I'm on a pure 64-bit (no multi-lib) machine, that doesn't exactly work, which is why I'm looking at QEMU. I need to run WINE in 32 bit mode, on a 32-bit install in a VM. Is a 64-b

Re: [gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1

2013-07-31 Thread Alain Didierjean
- Mail original - > >> --[ 16%] Building CXX object > >> kdeui/CMakeFiles/kdeui.dir/widgets/kmenubar.o > > > >> Neil Bothwick > > > > OK. Here's the full output. It happens on a amd64 / 8 cores (AMD > > 8120) machine. Output is slightly different if I set MAKEOPTs to > > -j1 or -j8. He

[gentoo-user] Recommendation for CPU type in QEMU?

2013-07-31 Thread Walter Dnes
I'm looking at setting up 32-bit WINE to run a 32-bit Windows app. Since I'm on a pure 64-bit (no multi-lib) machine, that doesn't exactly work, which is why I'm looking at QEMU. I need to run WINE in 32 bit mode, on a 32-bit install in a VM. Is a 64-bit virtual cpu type recommended anyways? A

Re: [gentoo-user] [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update

2013-07-31 Thread Graham Murray
Canek Peláez Valdés writes: > The wiki is wrong. The script /etc/init.d/udev is part of sys-fs/udev, > which you need to uninstall before installing systemd. Perhaps it's > CONFIG_PROTECT'd, but anyway sys-fs/udev and sys-apps/systemd install > the udev binary in different directories, so the scr

Re: [gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

2013-07-31 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tue, July 30, 2013 18:29, Michael Hampicke wrote: > Am 30.07.2013 07:35, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: >> • Can you add a new wireless or wired networks with NetworkManager? > > Never tried NM or wifi on my workstation, but my guess would be that it > will not work. I don't see why it would

Re: [gentoo-user] SQL Server Advice for Small Business

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 30.07.2013 23:34, schrieb Randy Westlund: > > How often should a small database like this be backed up? Once a day? Twice > a day? I'm thinking that I should backup to another machine on the network, > then copy that to at least one off-side machine. > Depends on your needs. Can you affo

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread Michael Palimaka
On 31/07/2013 09:48, Michael Orlitzky wrote: I want to become a dev, what's my next step? There is none. Help out, and maybe someone will notice you? Ok, I'm on it. Been doing it for years, and I know several other people in the same situation. It doesn't work, and recruitment numbers are plummet

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo is so AWESOME

2013-07-31 Thread András Csányi
On 30 July 2013 23:32, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > I was interested in becoming a dev for a little while, but the testing > and what looks to be prolonged process kinda put me off of the idea. It > just seems like a lot of bureaucratic work. Perhaps my impression is > wrong, though... As a tester

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

2013-07-31 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 07/30/2013 05:40 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> There is going to be resistance. Two months ago there was a huge >> thread in gentoo-dev, because a package maintaner complained that his >> co-maintainer added a systemd unit to the pac