[gentoo-user] Re: systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 23/07/13 08:43, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 23/07/13 00:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote: This would be a lot less of an issue if someone just wrote a logind ebuild (wink wink) that provides consolekit like it was originally intended. not possible, logind since systemd >= 205 requires systemd and

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 23/07/13 09:11, András Csányi wrote: On 22 July 2013 21:57, Michael Hampicke wrote: Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread András Csányi
On 22 July 2013 21:57, Michael Hampicke wrote: > Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: >> ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the >> packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, >> and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 23/07/13 00:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote: This would be a lot less of an issue if someone just wrote a logind ebuild (wink wink) that provides consolekit like it was originally intended. not possible, logind since systemd >= 205 requires systemd and won't work on openrc, upstart, and such a

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark Pariente
On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 17:14 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. > Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always > wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security? bah, not needed. > > > So when do I

Re: [gentoo-user] Experiences with amd richland or trinity APUs?

2013-07-22 Thread tlze
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Alexander Puchmayr wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm thinking of bying a quad-core cpu, preferably an amd cpu because they are > significantly cheaper than intel ones. > > The actual models are A8 (trinity, RD 7560D GPU) and A10 (richland RD 8570D > GPU), or a plain Athlo

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM, wrote: [ snip ] > I have several things depending on consolekit: > > sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: > gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.8.3 requires sys-auth/consolekit Dependency of gnome-control-center: || ( ( app-admin/openrc-se

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread covici
Mark David Dumlao wrote: > Thank you for the FUD. I was beginning to miss M$. > > Heres the freedesktop entry for a more authoritative statement. > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ > > On Jul 23, 2013 4:57 AM, "Volker Armin Hemmann" > wrote: > > > > maybe you should not

Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:45:04 +0100, FredL wrote: > I just use my current gentoo system for building a new one from > scratch, so I only use my current system as it was only a livecd. I > won't use my current world file or anything else coming from my current > system (except things like hostname,

Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-22 Thread FredL
Le 2013/07/22 23:08, Alan McKinnon a écrit : On 23/07/2013 00:02, FredL wrote: Le 2013/07/22 22:44, Alan McKinnon a écrit : On 22/07/2013 23:35, FredL wrote: Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages insta

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 23.07.2013 00:22, schrieb Paul Hartman: > >> I personally use "discard" with ext4 and btrfs, but I have not done >> tests or have evidence that it is the best choice for me. It's simply >> what I chose and never changed it. :) > > T

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 23.07.2013 00:22, schrieb Paul Hartman: > I personally use "discard" with ext4 and btrfs, but I have not done > tests or have evidence that it is the best choice for me. It's simply > what I chose and never changed it. :) Thanks, Paul! More of a "I do it MY way" than a generic "best practice

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 19.07.2013 21:02, schrieb Paul Hartman: > >> Old SSDs that did not support TRIM would suffer write amplification >> after a certain amount of data had been written to them, but any >> modern SSD and modern OS will keep it nice and t

Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 23/07/2013 00:02, FredL wrote: > Le 2013/07/22 22:44, Alan McKinnon a écrit : >> On 22/07/2013 23:35, FredL wrote: >> >> Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? >> >> >> no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum >> packages installed . I have checked at th

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Thanks for the FUD. On Jul 22, 2013 11:15 PM, "Volker Armin Hemmann" wrote: > > yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security? bah, not needed. Funny.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-22 Thread FredL
Le 2013/07/22 22:44, Alan McKinnon a écrit : On 22/07/2013 23:35, FredL wrote: Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line in the depend section

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
Thank you for the FUD. I was beginning to miss M$. Heres the freedesktop entry for a more authoritative statement. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/ On Jul 23, 2013 4:57 AM, "Volker Armin Hemmann" wrote: > > maybe you should not just believe everything posted. Especially from

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Randy Barlow
Stroller wrote: I wouldn't have bothered making this distinction, but I think: 1TB = 1000GB 1Tb = 125GB There are also TiBs[0]: 1 TiB = 1024 GiB Similarly, there are MiB, etc. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tebibyte -- R

Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/07/2013 23:35, FredL wrote: >> >> Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? >> >> >> no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum >> packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line >> in the depend section saying : >> >> after lo lo0 d

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Mark David Dumlao
This would be a lot less of an issue if someone just wrote a logind ebuild (wink wink) that provides consolekit like it was originally intended. But yeah you usually stay away from unmaintained upstreams. On Jul 22, 2013 11:03 PM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" wrote: > > ConsoleKit is for all practical

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 19.07.2013 21:02, schrieb Paul Hartman: > Old SSDs that did not support TRIM would suffer write amplification > after a certain amount of data had been written to them, but any > modern SSD and modern OS will keep it nice and tidy. What's the "best practice" now for TRIM? I changed to manual

Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-22 Thread FredL
Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line in the depend section saying : after lo lo0 dbus but dbus is not yet installed, can this be the caus

Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng segfaults

2013-07-22 Thread Randy Barlow
Neil Bothwick wrote: Try app-admin/checkrestart, I generally run this after updating any daemons or libraries. This sounds very helpful, thanks for the suggestion Neil! -- R

Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-22 Thread FredL
Le 2013/07/22 21:54, Paul Hartman a écrit : On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:42 PM, FredL wrote: when I boot the system, none of my two interface are started, instead dhcpcd start and assign ip from dhcp server After booting if I manually start the scripts it assign my static config to an alias of

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
maybe you should not just believe everything posted. Especially from a systemd fanboi. 2013/7/22 Michael Hampicke > Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > > ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the > > packages you mentioned it support systemd just fin

Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:42 PM, FredL wrote: > when I boot the system, none of my two interface are started, instead dhcpcd > start and assign ip from dhcp server > > After booting if I manually start the scripts it assign my static config to > an alias of my interfaces... > > I really can't figu

[gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-22 Thread FredL
Hello, I've just build a new gentoo system from my running one (no cd install at all) and everything seems to be fine except that I can't start any net.* script from default runlevel. I use the new udev naming scheme, it detect my 2 interface as enp2s0 and enp5s1 so I have created the symlin

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration

2013-07-22 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 21.07.2013 01:45, schrieb Neil Bothwick: > This sin't a rescue partition, it's just a GRUB menu entry and a > copy f the ISO in /boot, so far less maintenance even than making > sure a USB stick stays put. Plus it is much faster to boot. Yep, I got that set up as well when I did my GRUB2-learn

Re: [gentoo-user] SSD partitioning and migration - caveat

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 20.07.2013 05:32, schrieb luis jure: > on 2013-07-20 at 09:51 William Kenworthy wrote: > >> You have to map the drive so grub can find it: > > no, i don't think that's the problem. > > the problem is that with GPT disks you need a BIOS Boot Partition since > they don't have a MBR. is that cor

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 22.07.2013 17:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the > packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, > and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. > Thanks, just purged consolekit from my

[gentoo-user] Experiences with amd richland or trinity APUs?

2013-07-22 Thread Alexander Puchmayr
Hi there, I'm thinking of bying a quad-core cpu, preferably an amd cpu because they are significantly cheaper than intel ones. The actual models are A8 (trinity, RD 7560D GPU) and A10 (richland RD 8570D GPU), or a plain AthlonIIx4 (no GPU). My question is: Are these GPUs supported properly unde

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:35:22AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > 130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: > > gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd > > sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd > > but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : > > How did you r

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 22/07/13 18:02, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. It's how you look at it. I call it "mature" but

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
yeah, because it is so great to have that monster systemd on your box. Because xml configs are awesome and binary logs even more and I always wanted an init with builtin webbrowser. Security? bah, not needed. So when do I have to install mysql to use it? How long until some crap ala windows-regist

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
ConsoleKit is for all practical purposes unmaintained, and all of the packages you mentioned it support systemd just fine. Emerge systemd, and purge CK from your system; I did that almost a year ago. Regards. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > Hi, > > gnome-base/gnome-set

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/07/2013 15:39, András Csányi wrote: > On 22 July 2013 15:35, Philip Webb wrote: >> 130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: >>> gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd >>> sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd >>> but many packages depend on sys-auth/con

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread András Csányi
On 22 July 2013 15:35, Philip Webb wrote: > 130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: >> gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd >> sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd >> but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : >> How did you resolve this conflict?

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Philip Webb
130722 Helmut Jarausch wrote: > gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd > sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd > but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : > How did you resolve this conflict? Don't use Gnome. I've been using Fluxbox for ye

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Jul 22, 2013 6:34 PM, "Samuli Suominen" wrote: > > On 22/07/13 10:03, Helmut Jarausch wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> How did you resolve this conflict? >> >> Many thanks for a hint, >> Helmut > > > As a maintainer of sys-auth/consolekit, and xfce-base/xfce4-meta I can assure you sys-auth/consolekit is

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 22/07/13 10:03, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, How did you resolve this conflict? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut As a maintainer of sys-auth/consolekit, and xfce-base/xfce4-meta I can assure you sys-auth/consolekit is not about to be removed and the support for systemd-logind will be appended

Re: [gentoo-user] more on SSD: swap

2013-07-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 10:49:48 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > experience with compiling in tempfs is that it works, but has a much > > higher failure rate than on disk - i.e., things like OO/Lo, KDE, gcc > > and glibc have large space requirements that you must make sure tmpfs > > can satisf

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 22. Juli 2013, 09:03:46 schrieb Helmut Jarausch: > Hi, > > gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd > > sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd > > but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : > > emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit giv

Re: [gentoo-user] more on SSD: swap

2013-07-22 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 22. Juli 2013, 06:19:09 schrieb William Kenworthy: > experience with compiling in tempfs is that it works, but has a much > higher failure rate than on disk - i.e., things like OO/Lo, KDE, gcc and > glibc have large space requirements that you must make sure tmpfs can > satisfy before yo

Re: [gentoo-user] more on SSD: swap

2013-07-22 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 22/07/2013 10:46, William Kenworthy wrote: > On 22/07/13 14:24, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 22/07/2013 00:19, William Kenworthy wrote: >>> swap: this will make one of the bigger speedups to the system when you >>> need swap. swap is good - yes you can do without it, but the day comes >>> when yo

Re: [gentoo-user] more on SSD: swap

2013-07-22 Thread William Kenworthy
On 22/07/13 14:24, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 22/07/2013 00:19, William Kenworthy wrote: >> swap: this will make one of the bigger speedups to the system when you >> need swap. swap is good - yes you can do without it, but the day comes >> when you REALLY do want it, and ... [crash!] ... otherwise

Re: [gentoo-user] more on SSD: swap

2013-07-22 Thread Dale
William Kenworthy wrote: On 21/07/13 22:31, luis jure wrote: OK, now i have my system successfully installed and running on my new SSD. now i have to decide what to do with the rest of the disk (it's a 256MB samsung). the first big question is: what about swap? i found some web pages (perhaps o

[gentoo-user] systemd - are we forced to switch?

2013-07-22 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.4 requires systemd sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.6cannot coexist with systemd but many packages depend on sys-auth/consolekit : emerge -vpc sys-auth/consolekit gives sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r2 pulled in by: gnome-base/gno