Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/share/doc/openrc/net.example not found

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Chris Stankevitz wrote: > Hello, > > The file > > /etc/conf.d/net > > reports that I can seen an example format at this location: > > /usr/share/doc/openrc/net.example > > On my machine that example file does not exist. Did I do something > wrong or is this just a documentation oversight? > >

[gentoo-user] /usr/share/doc/openrc/net.example not found

2012-12-14 Thread Chris Stankevitz
Hello, The file /etc/conf.d/net reports that I can seen an example format at this location: /usr/share/doc/openrc/net.example On my machine that example file does not exist. Did I do something wrong or is this just a documentation oversight? Thank you, Chris PS: I'm trying to find a wa

Re: [gentoo-user] System maintenance procedure?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
> > > I think you're right about that. Can I configure eclean to wait a > > > certain number of days since a package was removed before cleaning it? > > > Even if I only run it once per week, it could remove a package that > > > was updated yesterday that I find out I need tomorrow. > > > > > > -

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Grant wrote: >> > >> > So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, >> > >> > I'm >> > >> > using >> > >> > 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more >> > >> > than >> > >> > one >> > >> > physical CPU, or is it required

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
> > >> > So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm > > >> > using > > >> > 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than > > >> > one > > >> > physical CPU, or is it required? > > >> > > >> > > >> NUMA is a hardware architecture. It's how you acce

Re: [gentoo-user] crontab questions

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
> > Thanks Michael. I'd like to have more control over when the commands > > are run. Maybe the system crontab (cronbase) should be used when that > > control isn't necessary or to allow programs to add stuff to a crontab, > > and a user crontab should be used when more control is necessary? > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Mick
On Thursday 13 Dec 2012 14:13:56 Bruce Hill wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 08:44:45AM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > NUMA is also an option in the kernel. Should also be fully transparent. > > I got one machine with NUMA and only had to set an option for it. > > > > Does anyone know how to check

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Atom: architecture, distcc, crossdev and compile flags

2012-12-14 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 09:16:58AM +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: > >>> * The last thing I’m going to set up is filesystem encryption, at least > >>> for ~. > >>> I already know/think that AES would be the best choice due to limited > >>> CPU > >>> power, but what else is there to heed beside

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
> >> > So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm > >> > using > >> > 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than > >> > one > >> > physical CPU, or is it required? > >> > >> > >> NUMA is a hardware architecture. It's how you access memory on a >

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
> > > > Would everyone here be in favor of a dedicated server over a cloud > > > > server from a host with good cloud infrastructure? The cloud > > > > server concept is amazing but from what I'm reading a dedicated > > > > server at the same price point far outperforms it. > > > > > > > > - Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus -- REBOOT OK THIS A.M.

2012-12-14 Thread felix
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:19:53PM -0600, Dale wrote: > I did some math, my new rig is almost 8 times faster/powerful than my > old rig but pulls much less than half the power even when fully loaded. > I might add, I think the old rig was idle when I measured that. My next box will be a commodi

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:53:35 -0800 Mark Knecht wrote: > I guess the other question that's lurking here for me is why do you > have /usr on a separate partition? What's the usage model that drives > a person to do that? The most I've ever done is move /usr/portage and > /usr/src to other places. M

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus -- REBOOT OK THIS A.M.

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM, wrote: >> I finally ran out of excuses to not reboot after a night powered off, and it >> did. >> >> It's all running normally now, but I think it's time for me to take the >> hint, grab a clue, and start researching a replacement. > I think

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:52:12AM -0600, Dale wrote: >> I have the flu, nasty one at that, and I really don't need to add hal to >> my list right now. That said, the Doctor called and the blood tests >> said I was healthy as a horse, other than being sick as a dog. :/ >> So

Re: [gentoo-user] Question about new USE flags for xf86-video-intel

2012-12-14 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Florian Philipp wrote: > > If you don't miss features I say good riddance to xorg.conf. > > Regards, > Florian Philipp Yeah, I agree in general, but in this case how does one determine that on a remote machine? I run KDE, my dad runs Gnome. How would I know if th

Re: [gentoo-user] Question about new USE flags for xf86-video-intel

2012-12-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.12.2012 18:56, schrieb Mark Knecht: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: >> I'm updating a system that's probably gone 2 or 3 months since its >> last update. >> >> >> !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus -- REBOOT OK THIS A.M.

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM, wrote: > I finally ran out of excuses to not reboot after a night powered off, and it > did. > > It's all running normally now, but I think it's time for me to take the hint, > grab a clue, and start researching a replacement. I think you'll find the power cons

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus -- REBOOT OK THIS A.M.

2012-12-14 Thread felix
I finally ran out of excuses to not reboot after a night powered off, and it did. It's all running normally now, but I think it's time for me to take the hint, grab a clue, and start researching a replacement. -- Felix Finch, a la mode

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Tanstaafl
Sorry, you're right, I'll go back to sleep now... ;) I spoke without looking, and indeed my mask is set to >=181 On 2012-12-14 12:34 PM, Bruce Hill wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:20:05AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: >On 2012-12-14 10:39 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: > >What Mark wrote you is golden.

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 01:43:01PM -0500, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:34:49PM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > > > Boot with SystemRescueCd and you can't get to a prompt? > > Currently can't even boot -- it hangs wit a blank screen at the point grub or > the rescue DVD would

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:43 PM, wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:34:49PM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > >> Boot with SystemRescueCd and you can't get to a prompt? > > Currently can't even boot -- it hangs wit a blank screen at the point grub or > the rescue DVD would take over. > >> Yes, your so

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread felix
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:34:49PM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > Boot with SystemRescueCd and you can't get to a prompt? Currently can't even boot -- it hangs wit a blank screen at the point grub or the rescue DVD would take over. > Yes, your southbridge chipset could just happened to have failed

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Freitag, 14. Dezember 2012, 12:16:46 schrieb Bruce Hill: > Whatever you think of logic, it is entirely illogical that a kernel could > kill your BIOS, or any hardware ... at least, just booting into it. emm, not, it isn't. -- #163933

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 01:24:10PM -0500, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > > That's what I've been using. > > But the hardware failure is illogical too; why would USB and SATA fail at the > same time? Or why would southbridge fail when it had been running perfectly > fine? > > I don't really think

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread felix
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:16:46PM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:18:21AM -0500, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > > > > I will try some more desperate tricks today, like reconnecting the USB pile > > to see if it at least boots the disks again - is my choice between disks > > an

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:18:21AM -0500, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > > I will try some more desperate tricks today, like reconnecting the USB pile > to see if it at least boots the disks again - is my choice between disks and > keyboard? I will find out. My best guess right now is that booting

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Kevin Brandstatter
Cloud services are often far more expensive, I work with someone who did a fair amount of research of the various costs of clouds. They are good for dynamic scaling of resources but if your concentrating on one server or another its likely your server load isn't highly intensive and a single dedica

Re: [gentoo-user] Question about new USE flags for xf86-video-intel

2012-12-14 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > I'm updating a system that's probably gone 2 or 3 months since its > last update. > > > !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel" has unmet > requir

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:52:12AM -0600, Dale wrote: > > I have the flu, nasty one at that, and I really don't need to add hal to > my list right now. That said, the Doctor called and the blood tests > said I was healthy as a horse, other than being sick as a dog. :/ > Sort of like software,

[gentoo-user] Question about new USE flags for xf86-video-intel

2012-12-14 Thread Walter Dnes
I'm updating a system that's probably gone 2 or 3 months since its last update. !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel" has unmet requirements. - x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel-2.20.13::gentoo USE="dri

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread felix
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 06:22:10PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > how about a more stable kernel - like 3.4.X? It was running 3.6.8 fine, and ~ kernels for ages before that. The paranoid in me thinks it was 3.7.0, but I really don't know. > and yes, a confused bios can do a lot of strange

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:20:05AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2012-12-14 10:39 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: > > What Mark wrote you is golden. I might only add that if you put: > > > > >=sys-fs/udev-181 > > > > into > > > > /etc/portage/package.mask > > > > you will have the present stable udev from*

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Freitag, 14. Dezember 2012, 11:18:21 schrieb fe...@crowfix.com: > Something went haywire with my 8 or 9 year old dual Opteron ~amd64 system > last night. I may have a bricked system. I haven't given up yet, but I > may have to buy a replacement system. I have external USB drive backups, > but

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Dale wrote: >> That's all true, hence my question. I'm not sure I want to use the very >> first version so I thought it worth asking first. Since it is a fork, >> one could think it would be safe enough but then again, it is the very >> first

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Will ARM take over the world?

2012-12-14 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 07:29:21PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > SLAX is using KDE4 - and uses 200mb. > > KDE is flexible. If you have lots of memory, it does use lots of > memory. If you don't it doesn't. So don't group it together with > 'lets force mono unto our users - for a notes appli

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: >> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:26:25 +0200 >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> >>> On 14/12/12 14:19, Dale wrote: I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy >>> Huh? >> Once upon a time, not so long ago, D

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Dale wrote: > > That's all true, hence my question. I'm not sure I want to use the very > first version so I thought it worth asking first. Since it is a fork, > one could think it would be safe enough but then again, it is the very > first one. It is stable acc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:26:25 +0200 > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> On 14/12/12 14:19, Dale wrote: >>> I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy >> Huh? > Once upon a time, not so long ago, Dale happened to try and make an > initrd. He followed the rules an

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.12.2012 17:18, schrieb fe...@crowfix.com: > Something went haywire with my 8 or 9 year old dual Opteron ~amd64 > system last night. I may have a bricked system. I haven't given up > yet, but I may have to buy a replacement system. I have external USB > drive backups, but the only other com

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.12.2012 11:00, schrieb Grant: >> > Would everyone here be in favor of a dedicated server over a cloud >> > server from a host with good cloud infrastructure? The cloud server >> > concept is amazing but from what I'm reading a dedicated server at the >> > same price point far outperforms it.

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread felix
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:28:41AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: > (Admittedly quick and dirty response) Much appreciated. Gives me some hope ... > Pull out an old PS2 keyboard. Sometimes, that's the easiest way to get > things going. I thought of that -- don't have any. They all got recycled a fe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:26:25 +0200 > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> On 14/12/12 14:19, Dale wrote: >> > I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy >> >> Huh? > > Once upon a time, not so long ago, Dale happened to try and m

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Long live Dale. > +1

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 09:48:12AM -0600, Dale wrote: >> Well, it appears that one version is stable: >> >> root@fireball / # equery list -p eudev >> * Searching for eudev ... >> [-P-] [ ] sys-fs/eudev-0:0 >> [-P-] [ ~] sys-fs/eudev-1_beta1-r1:0 >> [-P-] [ -] sys-fs/eudev-

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Dale wrote: >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Dale wrote: Howdy, I noticed eudev has hit the tree. Has anyone used it yet? If so, any issues? Did you just uninstall udev and install eudev in one

Re: [gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread Michael Mol
(Admittedly quick and dirty response) On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:18 AM, wrote: > Something went haywire with my 8 or 9 year old dual Opteron ~amd64 system > last night. I may have a bricked system. I haven't given up yet, but I may > have to buy a replacement system. I have external USB dri

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:26:25 +0200 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 14/12/12 14:19, Dale wrote: > > I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy > > Huh? Once upon a time, not so long ago, Dale happened to try and make an initrd. He followed the rules and the docs and it blew up in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-12-14 10:39 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: What Mark wrote you is golden. I might only add that if you put: >=sys-fs/udev-181 into /etc/portage/package.mask you will have the present stable udev from*before* those weirdos starting messing it up, forcing systemd to take over udev. Hmmm...

[gentoo-user] ~amd64 compatibility with modern cpus

2012-12-14 Thread felix
Something went haywire with my 8 or 9 year old dual Opteron ~amd64 system last night. I may have a bricked system. I haven't given up yet, but I may have to buy a replacement system. I have external USB drive backups, but the only other computer I have right now is an old Mac laptop which can

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 09:48:12AM -0600, Dale wrote: > > Well, it appears that one version is stable: > > root@fireball / # equery list -p eudev > * Searching for eudev ... > [-P-] [ ] sys-fs/eudev-0:0 > [-P-] [ ~] sys-fs/eudev-1_beta1-r1:0 > [-P-] [ -] sys-fs/eudev-:0 > root@fireball / #

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Dale wrote: >>> Howdy, >>> >>> I noticed eudev has hit the tree. Has anyone used it yet? If so, any >>> issues? Did you just uninstall udev and install eudev in one step or >>> some other way?

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> I noticed eudev has hit the tree. Has anyone used it yet? If so, any >> issues? Did you just uninstall udev and install eudev in one step or >> some other way? >> >> I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 08:25:08AM -0600, Dale wrote: > > Pretty much yea. I started making a init thing when they were talking > about not supporting /usr on a separate partition. Then about a month > ago eudev was announced which means we can boot with /usr on a separate > partition and no ini

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Mark Knecht
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I noticed eudev has hit the tree. Has anyone used it yet? If so, any > issues? Did you just uninstall udev and install eudev in one step or > some other way? > > I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy but curious >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Bruce Hill wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 07:41:45AM -0600, Dale wrote: >> Right now, I have /usr on a separate partition so I would need a init >> thingy to boot. When I switch to eudev, that won't be required, from >> what I have read anyway. >> >> I didn't want the init thingy to begin with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 07:41:45AM -0600, Dale wrote: > > Right now, I have /usr on a separate partition so I would need a init > thingy to boot. When I switch to eudev, that won't be required, from > what I have read anyway. > > I didn't want the init thingy to begin with either. > > Dale L

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:24:03PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > > Doesn't a good cloud server also have potentially higher availability > > compared to dedicated? > > Potentially? Yes. > > In reality? No. > > It's not the virtualization that breaks, it's all the surrounding > infrastructur

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:19:58PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:39:03 -0600 > Bruce Hill wrote: > > > > My data is allergic to "the cloud" ... too much pixey dust. > > If I get up from my desk, walk down the corridor and turn right, I find > myself right in the middle of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 14/12/12 14:19, Dale wrote: >> I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy > > Huh Right now, I have /usr on a separate partition so I would need a init thingy to boot. When I switch to eudev, that won't be required, from what I have read anyway. I

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:00:54 -0800 Grant wrote: > > > Would everyone here be in favor of a dedicated server over a cloud > > > server from a host with good cloud infrastructure? The cloud > > > server concept is amazing but from what I'm reading a dedicated > > > server at the same price point f

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 14/12/12 14:19, Dale wrote: I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy Huh?

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Doesn't a good cloud server also have potentially higher availability > compared to dedicated? Perhaps at your price point through redundancy which could be applied to dedicated all be it at higher cost and so potentially still more reliable and certainly more secure and also tested in almost an

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:39:03 -0600 Bruce Hill wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:49:23PM -0800, Grant wrote: > > Would everyone here be in favor of a dedicated server over a cloud > > server from a host with good cloud infrastructure? The cloud > > server concept is amazing but from what I'm re

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Bruce Hill
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:49:23PM -0800, Grant wrote: > Would everyone here be in favor of a dedicated server over a cloud server > from a host with good cloud infrastructure? The cloud server concept is > amazing but from what I'm reading a dedicated server at the same price > point far outperfo

[gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-14 Thread Dale
Howdy, I noticed eudev has hit the tree. Has anyone used it yet? If so, any issues? Did you just uninstall udev and install eudev in one step or some other way? I'm thinking of switching and getting rid of the init thingy but curious as to what others may have ran into. Thanks much. Dale :

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge sets syntax (@world vs. world)

2012-12-14 Thread Francesco Turco
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 19:22, Francesco Turco wrote: > I'm still not convinced. emerge(1) man page for portage-2.1.11.37 > already contains the following command example: > > emerge --update --newuse --deep @world > > And: > > emerge --update @world > > But not a single example without the at

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Rafa Griman
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Grant wrote: >> > So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm >> > using >> > 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than >> > one >> > physical CPU, or is it required? >> >> >> NUMA is a hardware architecture. I

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
> > Would everyone here be in favor of a dedicated server over a cloud > > server from a host with good cloud infrastructure? The cloud server > > concept is amazing but from what I'm reading a dedicated server at the > > same price point far outperforms it. > > > > - Grant > > Last time I did the

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
> > So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using > > 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one > > physical CPU, or is it required? > > > NUMA is a hardware architecture. It's how you access memory on a > hardware level: NUMA = Non Unif

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} dedicated server or cloud server?

2012-12-14 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 14.12.2012 08:49, schrieb Grant: > Would everyone here be in favor of a dedicated server over a cloud > server from a host with good cloud infrastructure? The cloud server > concept is amazing but from what I'm reading a dedicated server at the > same price point far outperforms it. > > - Gran

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Rafa Griman
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Grant wrote: [...] > So if I have 2 physical CPU's with 4 cores each and I enable SMP, I'm using > 8 cores? Can NUMA be either enabled or disabled when using more than one > physical CPU, or is it required? NUMA is a hardware architecture. It's how you access

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-14 Thread Grant
> >> I've only ever used systems with a single CPU. I'm looking for a new host > >> for a dedicated server (suggestions?) and it looks like I'll probably > >> choose a machine with two or four CPUs. What sort of complications does > >> that add to set up and/or maintenance with Gentoo? > > > > no