Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote: > >> There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, "masochists", live in >> peace. We love pain, why do people care so much about what we do >> with our privacy? :P [it's a joke, in case anyone didn't notice] >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Dale
Jesús Guerrero wrote: > > By the way, did I already said that anyone that can read can also > install Gentoo? Lost of people with no experience with linux did > it with very little or no help. > > I used Mandrake 9.1 for a little while then tried to upgrade to 9.2. I installed Gentoo the hard

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Sebastián Magrí wrote: > > The installation experience with the traditional method must be > > mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is > > deprecated... > > That's not good. It hurts Gentoo's popularity if it's not eas

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 05 February 2009 00:05:55 Paul Hartman wrote: > > Almost the same as mine, except I still have lots of font stuff in my > > xorg.conf -- do those go somewhere else? or are they unneeded in > > xorg.conf at all these days? > > Fonts a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 05 February 2009 09:28:50 Jesús Guerrero wrote: > There are enough easy-to-use distros. Let us, "masochists", live in > peace. We love pain, why do people care so much about what we do > with our privacy? :P [it's a joke, in case anyone didn't notice] > > There have been several attempt

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 7:07, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: > Sebastián Magrí wrote: > >> The installation experience with the traditional method must be >> mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is >> deprecated... > > That's not good. It hurts Gentoo's popularity if it'

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 05 February 2009 00:05:55 Paul Hartman wrote: > Almost the same as mine, except I still have lots of font stuff in my > xorg.conf -- do those go somewhere else? or are they unneeded in > xorg.conf at all these days? Fonts are complicated :-) IIRC, the older bit mapped X fonts go in xo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Michael Holmes wrote: >> 2009/2/4 Nikos Chantziaras : >>> I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't >>> deal >>> with email. But you can simply "mv ~/.mozilla/firefox >>> ~/.mozilla/firefox.backup" instead of deleting it just to be safe. >> >> H

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Dale wrote: >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> I fixed it with rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox >>> >>> :P >> >> Not a option here. I would loose ALL my emails too. O_O >> Is sort of weird tho. > > I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't > deal with em

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 05 February 2009 06:08:41 Iain Buchanan wrote: > It doesn't seem to do what vmware-config used to do, and if it was a > replacement for vmware-config, why would VMWware still reference > vmware-config.pl? look at the output of equery files vmware-workstation if vmware-config.pl isn't

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem

2009-02-04 Thread Dirk Uys
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > Hi Dirk, > > Did you try fully removing the entire KDE-chain? > Eg. emerge -C all the kde packages in the /var/lib/portage/world file > and then removing the remaining packages using emerge --depclean ? > > This is what I did when moving fro

[gentoo-user] Wpa_supplicant Libgcrypt warning

2009-02-04 Thread Momesso Andrea
Wpa supplicant seems to work fine, anyway I get this warning when I run /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 start : wpa_supplicant: Libgcrypt warning: missing initialization - please fix the application What does it mean? === TopperH === pgpAqTcSZ3A41.pgp Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Sebastián Magrí wrote: The installation experience with the traditional method must be mandatory... That's why I think we are better now that GLI is deprecated... That's not good. It hurts Gentoo's popularity if it's not easy to install. But since there are not enough devs left for the GUI

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Naga wrote: Hi, I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the "Oxygen" desktop theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? Oxygen is in the package kde-base/kdebase-desktoptheme.

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 18:15 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote: > > > > The emerge log mentioned `emerge > > --config vmware-workstation` which output this: [snip] > > But vmware still complains about vmware-config.pl > > > > Any ideas? > > I thi

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 15:58 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > updatedb and then slocate? forgot to mention - tried that. also tried: $ find /opt/vmware/ -name vmware-config /opt/vmware/workstation/lib/vmware-vix/setup/vmware-config /opt/vmware/workstation/lib/vmware/setup/vmware-config neither seems r

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

2009-02-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Grant wrote: > What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long > election campaign? A log. Everything that's censored in the mass media. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux

Re: [gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 04/02/09 Alan McKinnon said: > >> Meanwhile, trying to run KDE or Gnome on a box without hal is becoming more >> and more painful with each update. Even xorg is getting in on the hal game >> and using hal to auto-configure input device

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote: > Hi all, > > I just upgraded from vmware-workstation vmware-workstation-6.0.5.109488 > to vmware-workstation-6.5.1.126130 as I'm upgrading kernels, modules, > etc, and the old faithful 6.0.5 version has been hard masked... > > I get the usual:

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Mark Knecht
updatedb and then slocate? I'm running the server, not the workstation. For me the path is /opt/vmware/server/bin/vmware-config.pl Hope this helps, Mark On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Iain Buchanan wrote: > Hi all, > > I just upgraded from vmware-workstation vmware-workstation-6.0.5.109488 >

[gentoo-user] Where has vmware-config.pl gone?

2009-02-04 Thread Iain Buchanan
Hi all, I just upgraded from vmware-workstation vmware-workstation-6.0.5.109488 to vmware-workstation-6.5.1.126130 as I'm upgrading kernels, modules, etc, and the old faithful 6.0.5 version has been hard masked... I get the usual: VMware Workstation Error: VMware Workstation is installed, but it

Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Grant wrote: > When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why > --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone > once in awhile. > Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation

Re: [gentoo-user] hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On 04/02/09 Alan McKinnon said: > Meanwhile, trying to run KDE or Gnome on a box without hal is becoming more > and more painful with each update. Even xorg is getting in on the hal game > and using hal to auto-configure input devices. That explains why even on Ubuntu I shut off dbus and hal, a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> The benefit for me is that I plug my USB flash stick in my PC and it pops up >> in my desktop without me needing to enter voodoo console commands to mount >> it. > > +1 > > That and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Sebastián Magrí wrote: > El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 22:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon escribió: >> On Wednesday 04 February 2009 19:48:27 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> > > Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to >> > > do all the work by yourself to instal

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Drew Tomlinson
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: > > >> So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd >> appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained >> the same. Stopping ntpd & starting ntp-client corrected the date

Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 23:02:38 Grant wrote: > I think I've gotten to the bottom of my boost problem.  I have > rb_libtorrent installed which requires >=dev-libs/boost-1.35, meaning > boost needs to be in package.keywords.  If I remove boost from > package.keywords, should portage tell me th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 22:40:26 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 21:21:38 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > > On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:17:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > > > Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: > > > > The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was th

Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything

2009-02-04 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Grant wrote: > > I think I've gotten to the bottom of my boost problem. I have > rb_libtorrent installed which requires >=dev-libs/boost-1.35, meaning > boost needs to be in package.keywords. If I remove boost from > package.keywords, should portage tell me there

Re: [gentoo-user] 'emerge -avDuN world' doesn't find everything

2009-02-04 Thread Grant
When this was asked a few weeks ago someone then asked why --with-bdeps Y isn't the default? This seems to burn nearly everyone once in awhile. >>> Because using --with-bdeps y causes unnecessary compilation of packages >>> that don't need t0 be changed.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
Please don't top post on this list. It's considered rude. You are talking about HAL, an abstract concept. The OP is talking about hal, a definite package - sys-apps/hal. Recent X.org uses it to autoconfigure input devices on startup On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:34:28 Hazen Valliant-Saunders

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Sebastián Magrí
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 22:24 +0200, Alan McKinnon escribió: > On Wednesday 04 February 2009 19:48:27 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to > > > do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is > > > just the regular update/inst

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:55:07 Momesso Andrea wrote: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:59:44PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:31:26 Momesso Andrea wrote: > > > My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package > > > optimiziations override the ben

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem

2009-02-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 21:21:38 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:17:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: > > > The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed > > > - only the eclass did.  If you emer

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:56:33 Naga wrote: > On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:32:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:13:47 +0100, Naga wrote: > > > I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the "Oxygen" desktop > > > theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wlan0 promiscuous mode

2009-02-04 Thread Grant
>> That all works great, the problem is it only works when net.wlan0 is >> started. I'm told I: >> >> "need to load the modules and setup the interface for your card" >> >> because that's probably what net.wlan0 does. I tried to look through >> net.wlan0 but I'm lost in there. Any idea what I mi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 19:48:27 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to > > do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is > > just the regular update/install process, which is simple enough > > as you said. > > It was very e

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 20:17:33 Dirk Heinrichs wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: > > The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed > > - only the eclass did.  If you emerged any version of GCC during the > > window where the eclass was bro

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 20:28, Paul Hartman escribió: > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Damian wrote: >> >> Those shared objects were installed when I manually compiled plasmoids >> some time ago (using kde 4.1, now I have kde 4.2). So my question is if I >> can safely remove those files wit

Re: [gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Damian wrote: > Hi, > > After I ran reconcilio (I guess revdep-rebuild will yield a similar > output) I got the following message: >The following broken files are not owned by any installed package: >/usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_nvidia.so (requires

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:07 AM, James wrote: > Paul Hartman gmail.com> writes: > > > >> >> One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used >> >> as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making >> >> general purpose "C" languages for programs to take advantage >> >> of

[gentoo-user] Removing shared libraries

2009-02-04 Thread Damian
Hi, After I ran reconcilio (I guess revdep-rebuild will yield a similar output) I got the following message: The following broken files are not owned by any installed package: /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmoni_nvidia.so (requires libplasma.so.2) /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_sysmon

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Stroller
On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:23, Justin wrote: Stroller wrote: On 4 Feb 2009, at 13:40, Justin wrote: Stroller schrieb: ... I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with upstream servers & keep the machine'

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-04 Thread Naga
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 18:32:52 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:13:47 +0100, Naga wrote: > > I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the "Oxygen" desktop > > theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? > > It's there when you install 4.2 from the main

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread pk
Grant Edwards wrote: > Are the real benefits of Gentoo too hard to explain to the > unwashed masses, so instead they're told the fairy tale about > imporoved performance? Hi Grant, Well, the main thing for me using Gentoo is control - control of what is installed on my machines... Best regards

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood

2009-02-04 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 04 Februar 2009, James Ausmus wrote: > > Freecol is a great game that is in Portage and can provide for hours of > entertainment - it's a Java-based clone of Sid Meier's Colonization, one of > the best turn-based strategy games ever. Might be a little much for a > 7-year old, but might

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Justin
Stroller wrote: > > On 4 Feb 2009, at 13:40, Justin wrote: >> Stroller schrieb: >>> ... >>> I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I >>> don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with >>> upstream servers & keep the machine's clock in constant sync.

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Stroller
On 4 Feb 2009, at 14:11, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained the same. Stopping ntpd & starting ntp-client corrected

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libtool problem

2009-02-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 04:25:34 schrieb ABCD: > The reason there wasn't a bump (IIRC) was that the ebuild never changed > - only the eclass did.  If you emerged any version of GCC during the > window where the eclass was broken, that version of GCC would have been > broken. That also means

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Stroller
On 4 Feb 2009, at 13:40, Justin wrote: Stroller schrieb: ... I understood that ntpd was not only a server for my LAN (a facility I don't use) but that it would also periodically check the time with upstream servers & keep the machine's clock in constant sync. ... pkg_postinst() { ewarn

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: games-fps without blood

2009-02-04 Thread James Ausmus
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM, pk wrote: > Andrew Gaydenko wrote: > > > Ups.. He-he... :-) I have thought it is "frame per second" - is related > to "3D > > reality reconstruction", where GL, *fps* and such are needed, used, told > > about. Fine! Probably there are not-FPS :-) beauty ("rich 3D"

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2009 14:57:28 schrieb Alan McKinnon: > ntpd is really designed for Unix servers with 3 digit uptimes and clocks > not assembled by Mickey Mouse's younger brother (which seems to include all > pcs ever made.) Errh, no. It is designed for exactly those machines, so that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 18:48, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: > Jesús Guerrero wrote: > >> El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: >> >>> Sebastián Magrí wrote: >>> >>> Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and rea

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for yoursystem' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Prado, Renato (R.P.)
>Unless you mean a different thing, that can be achieved and >is already done in some packages. For example, mplayer has a >USE flag called custom-cflags which freely allow you to break >it as much as you want. What I meant was something like this: supposed that the maintainer of a particular pack

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 17:19, Grant Edwards escribió: > On 2009-02-04, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: >> >> >>> Except that what you build and maintain isn't a "distro", it's >>> a single machine. >> >> Why? >> > > Do you distribu

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Jesús Guerrero wrote: El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: Sebastián Magrí wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. I don't get that argum

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for yoursystem' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 16:39, Prado, Renato (R.P.) escribió: >> My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package >> optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific >> optimiziations that gentoo allows? > Thinking about that... I guess a could future for future

[gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Michael Holmes wrote: 2009/2/4 Nikos Chantziaras : I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't deal with email. But you can simply "mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/firefox.backup" instead of deleting it just to be safe. He's using Seamonkey, not Firefox. This just r

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 16:25, Grant Edwards escribió: > On 2009-02-04, Jes?s Guerrero wrote: > >> El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 8:39, Alan McKinnon escribi?: >> >>> On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:27:31 Christopher Walters wrote: >>> >>> >>> I personally don't view Gentoo as a "distro"

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:13:47 +0100, Naga wrote: > I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the "Oxygen" desktop > theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? It's there when you install 4.2 from the main portage tree. -- Neil Bothwick What colour is a chameleon on a m

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Jesús Guerrero
El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió: > Sebastián Magrí wrote: > >> Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system >> works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the >> best for you. > > I don't get that argument. I did

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: wlan0 promiscuous mode

2009-02-04 Thread Dominic Kexel
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:51:59 -0800 Grant wrote: > That all works great, the problem is it only works when net.wlan0 is > started. I'm told I: > > "need to load the modules and setup the interface for your card" > > because that's probably what net.wlan0 does. I tried to look through > net.wla

[gentoo-user] KDE-4.2 missing Oxygen

2009-02-04 Thread Naga
Hi, I was wondering if I'm the only one who is missing the "Oxygen" desktop theme when installing KDE-4.2 from the kde-testing overlay? /Regards Naga

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Momesso Andrea
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 03:59:44PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:31:26 Momesso Andrea wrote: > > My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package > > optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific > > optimiziations that gentoo allows? >

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread James
Hazen Valliant-Saunders gmail.com> writes: > No they would never be useful for anything other then rendering > bouncing bobbies! ;) Bouncing bobbies? Sound like a fraternity game for new recruits... So Searching and Sorting, are documented to orders of magnitude faster on GPU (SIMD) machines

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:19:17 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> Except that what you build and maintain isn't a "distro", it's > >> a single machine. > > > > Why? > > Do you distribute what you're building as a something for > others to use to install Linux? I don't, and none of the other

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:01:19 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > If I wanted a "learn Unix" distro, I would be using Slackware :P > > s/Slackware/Linux From Scratch/ That just teaches you to read and repeat the same commands over and over. You learn about Linux by administering it, not installing i

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4.2 compile problem

2009-02-04 Thread Jerry McBride
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 05:52:16 am Norberto Bensa wrote: > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jerry McBride wrote: > > If you need more info, feel free to email me direct. > > why? > > off-list communications should only be done with off-topic > conversations. If you have a solution for him, y

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 04 Februar 2009, Momesso Andrea wrote: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:58:23AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 February 2009 01:48:34 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > > So all in all, I agree.  Using Gentoo is nowadays not so much a matter > > > of performance optimization but

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread Hazen Valliant-Saunders
Um, you are using the HAL weather you want to or not, it's not really an option! The HARDWARE ABSTRACTION LAYER with respect to good ol linux happens to be your kernel and it's drivers. The bare metal registers within which all those bits are moved is called the hardware; all those configuration

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-04, James wrote: > Paul Hartman gmail.com> writes: > > > >> >> One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used >> >> as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making >> >> general purpose "C" languages for programs to take advantage >> >> of the power of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Michael Holmes
2009/2/4 Nikos Chantziaras : > I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't deal > with email. But you can simply "mv ~/.mozilla/firefox > ~/.mozilla/firefox.backup" instead of deleting it just to be safe. He's using Seamonkey, not Firefox.

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-04, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> Except that what you build and maintain isn't a "distro", it's >> a single machine. > > Why? Do you distribute what you're building as a something for others to use to install Linux? I don't,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Hazen Valliant-Saunders
With unit processors approaching up to 128 Cores on a single GPU I can see why the guys at all those institutions want to put EL lights in their big hawking 4 card SLI rigs? That's like 1600 Cores on a single system, Even Blue Gene L only has Dual Core PowerPC 440's, whith AMD's 4870 having 800 SP

[gentoo-user] Re: hal - what's the benefit of using it

2009-02-04 Thread James
Helmut Jarausch igpm.rwth-aachen.de> writes: > having had some problems with recent xorg version my question is > what are the benefits (if any) of building packages with the 'hal' > use flag (i.e. adding 'hal' to US='...' in /etc/make.conf) This link is short and reasonable. http://en.wikipe

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread James
Paul Hartman gmail.com> writes: > >> One *BIG* difference is when the GPUs on video cards are used > >> as co-processors on systems. ATI and Nv are working on making > >> general purpose "C" languages for programs to take advantage > >> of the power of the GPU. Look for Gentoo to beat the other

[gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I fixed it with rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox :P Not a option here. I would loose ALL my emails too. O_O Is sort of weird tho. I can't imagine your emails being stored in there. Firefox doesn't deal with email. But you can simply "mv ~/.mozilla/firef

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for yoursystem" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Yannick Mortier
2009/2/4 Prado, Renato (R.P.) : >> My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package >> optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific >> optimiziations that gentoo allows? > Thinking about that... I guess a could future for future portage > releases would be a USE flag

Re: [gentoo-user] syslog-ng +bash history

2009-02-04 Thread Yannick Mortier
2009/2/4 Marcin Niskiewicz : > Hello > Everything that is written by users on console is logged in 3 different > files (debug , syslog, messages) ... > I'd like to route all history logs to one file only... i know how to make a > filter which would write it to specific file but still everything is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:25:49 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > Except that what you build and maintain isn't a "distro", it's > a single machine. Why? -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 01B: Illegal error - You are not allowed to get this error. Next time you will get a penalty for that.

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for yoursystem" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Prado, Renato (R.P.)
> My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package > optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific > optimiziations that gentoo allows? Thinking about that... I guess a could future for future portage releases would be a USE flag the overrides the system's CFLAGS (besi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Sebastián Magrí
El mié, 04-02-2009 a las 14:31 +0100, Momesso Andrea escribió: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:45:50AM -0430, Sebastián Magrí wrote: > [snip] > > > > > > Often on gentoo related IRC chanels comes someone who asks why his > > > firefox-bin (or openoffice-bin or *-bin) runs faster than his > > > built-

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:19:39 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Sebastián Magrí wrote: > > Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system > > works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the > > best for you. > > I don't get that argument. I didn't

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-04, Jes?s Guerrero wrote: > El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 8:39, Alan McKinnon escribi?: >> On Wednesday 04 February 2009 09:27:31 Christopher Walters wrote: >> >> I personally don't view Gentoo as a "distro" in the traditional sense. To >> me, it's a build system, an app - portage or pa

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2009-02-04, Paul Hartman wrote: > This thread is not complete without the obligatory link: > > http://funroll-loops.info/ Brilliant! I really like this one: To me, an extra 0.1% performance increase, even if I am only imagining it to be faster, is certainly worth one day a week reco

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread David W Noon
In message , Grant Edwards wrote: > Whenever I see a write-up of Gentoo, it's describe as a system > similar to BSD "ports" where you build packages from source. > The main benefit claimed for this approach is that you get > better performance because all executables are optimized for > exactly th

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Dale
Stroller wrote: > Hi there, > > I just logged into one of my machines that has recently been powered > down for a few days - not a terribly common occurrence with my servers > - to find a date of January 30th showing. > > I used to run ntp-client, but AIUI adding this to the default runlevel > only

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +, Stroller wrote: > So when I found the clock to be a week out of date I checked that ntpd > appeared to be running (it was) and restarted it. The date remained > the same. Stopping ntpd & starting ntp-client corrected the date > immediately. ntpd will not c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:31:26 +0100, Momesso Andrea wrote: > Sure, I've used per-package optimizations myself in some particular > cases, but that's not the point. > > A package manteiner *should* know better than an average user which > optimizations will tune better their own package. But the us

Re: [gentoo-user] ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Dale wrote: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and >> press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* >> google.com. You get there by clicking the "Google.com in English" >> link. It's this: >> >>

[gentoo-user] syslog-ng +bash history

2009-02-04 Thread Marcin Niskiewicz
Hello Everything that is written by users on console is logged in 3 different files (debug , syslog, messages) ... I'd like to route all history logs to one file only... i know how to make a filter which would write it to specific file but still everything is written to other files as well. is the

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:38:11 Stroller wrote: > Before I do any investigation, can someone tell me if my understanding   > so far is correct? Is ntpd supposed to keep the machine's clock in   > constant sync, or is it only (say) a server to offer the date to   > clients? (depending upon th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:31:26 Momesso Andrea wrote: > My question can be put like this: Do binary distro's per package > optimiziations override the benefit of having arch specific > optimiziations that gentoo allows? That can only be answered with valid benchmarks on paper in front of yo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ENTER doesn't work in google.com?

2009-02-04 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Dale wrote: >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> Am I going crazy? In google.com, when I enter a search query and >>> press ENTER, nothing happens. Note: only on the *English* >>> google.com. You get there by clicking the "Google.com in English" >>> link. It's this: >>> >>

Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Justin
Stroller schrieb: > Hi there, > > I just logged into one of my machines that has recently been powered > down for a few days - not a terribly common occurrence with my servers - > to find a date of January 30th showing. > > I used to run ntp-client, but AIUI adding this to the default runlevel >

[gentoo-user] /etc/init.d/: ntpd or ntp-client?

2009-02-04 Thread Stroller
Hi there, I just logged into one of my machines that has recently been powered down for a few days - not a terribly common occurrence with my servers - to find a date of January 30th showing. I used to run ntp-client, but AIUI adding this to the default runlevel only sets the clock once a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: "optimized for your system" -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Momesso Andrea
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:45:50AM -0430, Sebastián Magrí wrote: [snip] > > > > Often on gentoo related IRC chanels comes someone who asks why his > > firefox-bin (or openoffice-bin or *-bin) runs faster than his > > built-from-source firefox. > > > > Usually chan's gurus answer that upstream pac

[gentoo-user] Re: Different servers behind the same router

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Momesso Andrea wrote: Looks like my ISP allows both PPPoE and PPPoA. After some superficial googling it looks like PPPoE is preferred over ethernet modems and PPPoA over USB ones... Is it true? Nope. PPPoA is preferred generally, although not strongly so. The difference should be very minor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DVD RW (recommendations

2009-02-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
james wrote: > Googling, I did read about some problems with the > latest drives from plextor, (not verified by me though). Plextor stopped making drives several years ago and fired all related technical employees. They now sell relabelled drives from other manufacturers. Jörg -- EMail:jo..

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

2009-02-04 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Sebastián Magrí wrote: Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then Gentoo is the best for you. I don't get that argument. I didn't learn how Linux or Unix works with Gentoo. I didn't even find my prior knowl

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