Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

Dale wrote: > Peter Alfredsen wrote: > >> [Please CC me on all replies] >> >> On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Dale wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I recently "stole" me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with >>> the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was >>> reading

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 2008 17:36:39 Paul Hartman wrote: >> I can't remember the exact reasoning, but I do recall being told "it's >> normal" and that it varies from one system to another, even with the >> same hardware. I think it's related

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

Peter Alfredsen wrote: > [Please CC me on all replies] > > On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Dale wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I recently "stole" me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with >> the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was >> reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpd

Re: [gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps

Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 01/01/09 Mick said: I guess there is bugzilla for posting bugs or even requests, but if as Alan says the hardware in question is that obscure/obsolete, then interest for continuing its dev't will undoubtedly decline with time. Maybe the recent 2.6.27 kernel probl

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Graham Murray wrote: > "Michael P. Soulier" writes: > >> Sure enough, X no longer works. I'm following the instructions now, but... >> Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of >> breaking my system? > > I think that the default ac

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On 1 Jan 2009, at 03:23, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... [assuming] portage could parse lspci output - why make it slower and more easily to break if all breakage can be avoided by simply reading first - then upgrading? We have computers to make our lives simpler & easier. If a computer c

Re: [gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with the latest > version of a software package I am left to question the entire philosophy in > gentoo of always running bleeding edge. Not touching a system that's working

Re: [gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps

On 01/01/09 Mick said: > I guess there is bugzilla for posting bugs or even requests, but if as Alan > says the hardware in question is that obscure/obsolete, then interest for > continuing its dev't will undoubtedly decline with time. Maybe the recent > 2.6.27 kernel problems that I have expe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:14:16 -0600, »Q« wrote: > I guess I'm in the camp that thinks the administrator should know what > modules are needed for the hardware, and portage should keep working as > it does now. Then why the test and warning? -- Neil Bothwick God is real, unless specifically decl

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

Am Thursday 01 January 2009 17:54:12 schrieb Neil Bothwick: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:26:27 -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > Ignore what prompt? There was no prompt, a prompt requiring feedback is > > in fact, exactly what I am looking for. > > That would be wrong. Emerge is supposed to run non-i

[gentoo-user] Re: nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:28:55 -0500 "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: > Your philosophy seems to put an undue amount of work on the > administrator. I guess I'm in the camp that thinks the administrator should know what modules are needed for the hardware, and portage should keep working as it does now.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dispatch-conf problem

John covici wrote: on Thursday 01/01/2009 Graham Murray(gra...@gmurray.org.uk) wrote > Nikos Chantziaras writes: > > > You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with > > dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first. > > You can if you have use-rcs=yes in /etc/disp

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: > > but as long as X is not restarted, the upgrade doesn't break anything. > > You come back, you read the elogs, you downgrade the drivers and > > everything is fine and dandy. > > As long as X doesn't

Re: [gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps

On Thursday 01 January 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 01 January 2009 02:29:15 Stroller wrote: > > On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:51, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > > Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with > > > the latest > > > version of a software package I am left t

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:34:36 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > >> but as long as X is not restarted, the upgrade doesn't break anything. >> You come back, you read the elogs, you downgrade the drivers and >> everything is fine and dandy. >> > > Except you've waste

Re: [gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps

On 01/01/09 Alan McKinnon said: > He also asked a very generic question, the kind that doesn't really have an > answer. So no-one likely will. > > For all we know, the hardware in question is a floppy drive. Or token ring. > > Michael, what package, what hardware are we talking about? > Your qu

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: > but as long as X is not restarted, the upgrade doesn't break anything. You > come back, you read the elogs, you downgrade the drivers and everything is > fine and dandy. As long as X doesn't dynamically load a now binary-incompatible module and segfault.

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On 01/01/09 Neil Bothwick said: > That would be wrong. Emerge is supposed to run non-interactively, apart > from a prompt at the start of the process when using --ask. A world > update can take many hours and is often run overnight, imagine your > frustration the next morning when you see it is as

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: > the ebuild warned you. Portage and ebuilds are different things. And portage > has to assume that you know what you are doing. Sure, the issue is that it warned me too late. > because it SUCKS when a world update breaks somewhere along 25 of 223. People

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:34:36 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > but as long as X is not restarted, the upgrade doesn't break anything. > You come back, you read the elogs, you downgrade the drivers and > everything is fine and dandy. Except you've wasted time and resources compiling the broken v

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:42:23 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > BECAUSE STOPPING IS EVIL! PORTAGE IS NON INTERACTIVE! People want to > start an update then go away or sleep. I think Neil already told you > that. Yes I did. But I also stated that I believe portage should skip the package when thi

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > On 01/01/09 Alan McKinnon said: > > The software does not have the slightest vaguest foggiest concept of what > > the RIGHT and the WRONG drivers are. That's a human being's conclusion. > > Apparently it did, hence the warning. the ebuild w

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:27:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > > Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing > > > > instead of > > > > breaking my system? > > > > > >"That proposal is ludicrous and completely counter to th

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, »Q« wrote: > In <200901010423.25783.volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de>, > > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > That is why you have to go to nvnews first and then upgrade. > > Where is nvnews? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:26:27 -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > >> Ignore what prompt? There was no prompt, a prompt requiring feedback is >> in fact, exactly what I am looking for. >> > > That would be wrong. Emerge is supposed to run non-interactively, apart > from

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dispatch-conf problem

on Thursday 01/01/2009 Graham Murray(gra...@gmurray.org.uk) wrote > Nikos Chantziaras writes: > > > You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with > > dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first. > > You can if you have use-rcs=yes in /etc/dispatch-conf.conf, which

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:26:27 -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > Ignore what prompt? There was no prompt, a prompt requiring feedback is > in fact, exactly what I am looking for. That would be wrong. Emerge is supposed to run non-interactively, apart from a prompt at the start of the process when u

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2009 00:33:27 schrieb Michael P. Soulier: > Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of > breaking my system? What we think here is irrelevant. You should file a bug and see what the devs think. We can then express what we think by voting f

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: nvidia warning comes a tad late

On 01/01/09 Nikos Chantziaras said: > You can open a bug about it and suggest something. I did yesterday when it happened. Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the oppos

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On 01/01/09 Neil Bothwick said: > This is different in that the problem is not detected until the emerge > starts, but portage could skip this package and carry on with the rest, > issuing an elog message explaining what happened and how to force an > install if that's what you really want. Yes,

[gentoo-user] Re: nvidia warning comes a tad late

Michael P. Soulier wrote: [...] I see many posts like this but few suggestions as to how the problem could have been avoided ahead of time. You can open a bug about it and suggest something.

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On 01/01/09 Alan McKinnon said: > nice one :-) > > The Unix way is to do what the user told it to do, no more and no less. > > If you tell the system to install a driver, ignore the prompt or even Ignore what prompt? There was no prompt, a prompt requiring feedback is in fact, exactly what I a

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On 01/01/09 Alan McKinnon said: > The software does not have the slightest vaguest foggiest concept of what the > RIGHT and the WRONG drivers are. That's a human being's conclusion. Apparently it did, hence the warning. > It therefore cannot decide. It did decide. It decided to continue. > Th

[gentoo-user] Re: dispatch-conf problem

John covici wrote: on Thursday 01/01/2009 Nikos Chantziaras(rea...@arcor.de) wrote > You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with > dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first. > Then what is the purpose of the config-archive directory which I was asked to create?

[gentoo-user] Re: nvidia warning comes a tad late

On 2009-01-01, Matt Causey wrote: > I am total Gentoo newb :D but it seems kind of fundamental to > the concept of this distribution that its users are going to > make themselves aware of the details of system updates. Short > of reading ridiculous amounts of doco...folks should be > reading the

[gentoo-user] Re: dispatch-conf problem

John covici wrote: Also, if I want to roll back, say, /etc/init.d/fsck, I am not sure which file to choose -- in the archive directory there is an /etc/init.d directory which contains fsck and fsck.dist. I would imagine that fsck is my old one and fsck.dist is the new one -- now what happens if

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dispatch-conf problem

Nikos Chantziaras writes: > You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with > dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first. You can if you have use-rcs=yes in /etc/dispatch-conf.conf, which the OP is probably using as the post mentions the archive directory.

[gentoo-user] Re: dispatch-conf problem

on Thursday 01/01/2009 Nikos Chantziaras(rea...@arcor.de) wrote > John covici wrote: > > > Also, if I want to roll back, say, /etc/init.d/fsck, I am not sure > > which file to choose -- in the archive directory there is an > > /etc/init.d directory which contains fsck and fsck.dist. I would

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: dispatch-conf problem

Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2009 16:57:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with > dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first. However, if you want that, you should switch to cfg-update. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description:

[gentoo-user] dispatch-conf problem

Hi. I just now started to use dispatch-conf, but I have a question and there seems to be a problem. I have replace-unmodified=yes, however this seems to be ignored -- at least it gave me all the config files it could find even though I had not modified some of them. Also, if I want to roll back,

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

I am total Gentoo newb :D but it seems kind of fundamental to the concept of this distribution that its users are going to make themselves aware of the details of system updates. Short of reading ridiculous amounts of doco...folks should be reading the output of the emerge commands to learn abou

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] test, if module was loaded with module option?

Hi, Christian Franke schrieb: > On 12/29/2008 02:32 PM, Marc Blumentritt wrote: >> is there a general way to test, if a kernel module was loaded with a >> module option and which module options were used? > > There is at least /sys/module//parameters/ > If there is nothing else, one could at leas

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

090101 Peter Alfredsen wrote: > [Please CC me on all replies] > For me, this pdf crashed evince in cffparse.c:361, > which is indicative of a bug in freetype (bug 247104) > for which I just committed a fix. > Please add to your package.keywords and test. > +*freetype-2.3.7-r1 (01 Jan 2009) > + > +

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto: > On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote: >> On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: >>> after the emerge you read the messages with elogv and downgrade. No harm >>> done. >> I'll be sure to try that, thank you. However, would not avoiding a bad >> up

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

[Please CC me on all replies] On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Dale wrote: > Hi, > > I recently "stole" me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with > the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was > reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. It does this > when I scro

Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking object does not exist...

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:19:44 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: > Hi Neil - could you explain why? - from man emerge: > --oneshot (-1) > Emerge as normal, but do not add the packages to the world > file for later updating. > > This would imply that if you use oneshot, the system wont k

Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking object does not exist...

Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2009 12:19:44 schrieb William Kenworthy: > Hi Neil - could you explain why? Because only packages which are not a dependency for any other package should be in world. If you install that many packages in one go emerge will put all of them into world, regardless of their

Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking object does not exist...

Hi Neil - could you explain why? - from man emerge: --oneshot (-1) Emerge as normal, but do not add the packages to the world file for later updating. This would imply that if you use oneshot, the system wont know about the package and wont update it - not what you would normally wan

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:54:33 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > Portage knows that what is proposed is going to break the user's system, > so it should refuse to do it. It's like "Package A blocks package B", > which causes the emerge to stop till the user acts more sensibly. This is different in that t

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:41:11 -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > > Worked OK here with kpdf-3.5.10, but I didn't try every page. > > Can you confirm which page causes the crash? > > See the rest of the thread ! -- try page 10 ... I think I did, I've scrolled as far as page 52 now with no problems. >

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 01 January 2009 11:02:23 Dale wrote: > >> I just did a reinstall on my rig and it did the exact same thing. I had >> to mask the one it installed and re-emerge the older one that does >> work. Isn't there some way for it to pick the right one? After all, it

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

090101 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:27:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing >>> instead of breaking my system? >> If you tell the system to install a driver, ignore the prompt >> or even type "y", why are users constant

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

Philip Webb wrote: > 090101 Dale wrote: > >> Philip Webb wrote: >> >>> One further idea is to see what happens >>> if you try to open it with Open Office 3 , which claims to input PDF. >>> >> I have OOo3 here and it said it was a 13,000 page document >> and it was full of garbage at

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:18:55 -0600, Dale wrote: > > >> It is pretty big so I'll post a link. >> >> http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx >> > > > Worked OK here with kpdf-3.5.10, but I didn't try every page. an > you confirm w

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

090101 Dale wrote: > Philip Webb wrote: >> One further idea is to see what happens >> if you try to open it with Open Office 3 , which claims to input PDF. > I have OOo3 here and it said it was a 13,000 page document > and it was full of garbage at that. > That didn't work or I did something wrong

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

090101 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:18:55 -0600, Dale wrote: >> It is pretty big so I'll post a link. >> http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx > Worked OK here with kpdf-3.5.10, but I didn't try every page. > Can you confirm which page caus

Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking object does not exist...

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:10:08 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > emerge Net-Daemon PlRPC DBI rxvt-unicode gstreamer e2fsprogs-libs nano > e2fsprogs zynaddsubfx sox boost autounmask cmake smplayer kdelibs wxGTK > firehol xulrunner xorg-server vlc Running this without --oneshot will break your world

Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking object does not exist...

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:18:39 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > What happened here is that qt was split into several small package > instead of one huge one. The new is therefore not compatible with the > old and cannot co-exist, so you must unmerge the old version to be able > to put the new ones on th

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:27:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing > > > instead of > > > breaking my system? > > > >"That proposal is ludicrous and completely counter to the Unix > > way of doing things." > > > > Not my opinion,

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Thursday 01 January 2009 11:02:23 Dale wrote: > I just did a reinstall on my rig and it did the exact same thing.  I had > to mask the one it installed and re-emerge the older one that does > work.  Isn't there some way for it to pick the right one?  After all, it > new it was the WRONG one it w

Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking object does not exist...

Alan McKinnon wrote: > > emerge's block output is worded confusingly, the exact selection of words can > lead you to believe that you have to do B in order to do A, when actually > it's the other way round. this is because the devs block B in A's ebuild and > also block A in B's ebuild, so that

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:18:55 -0600, Dale wrote: > It is pretty big so I'll post a link. > > http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx Worked OK here with kpdf-3.5.10, but I didn't try every page. an you confirm which page causes the crash? > This may also

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

On Thursday 01 January 2009 02:25:10 Stroller wrote: > On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:33, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > ... > > Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing > > instead of > > breaking my system? > >"That proposal is ludicrous and completely counter to the Unix > w

Re: [gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps

On Thursday 01 January 2009 02:29:15 Stroller wrote: > On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:51, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > > Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with > > the latest > > version of a software package I am left to question the entire > > philosophy in > > gentoo of always

Re: [gentoo-user] Blocking object does not exist...

On Thursday 01 January 2009 10:10:08 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Hi, > > HAPPY NEW YEAR ! :O) > > > I have got a problem while updateing my Gentoo-Linux-box: > > Witzh this command: > emerge Net-Daemon PlRPC DBI rxvt-unicode gstreamer e2fsprogs-libs nano > e2fsprogs zynaddsubfx sox boost autounma

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

Philip Webb wrote: > 090101 Dale wrote: > >> Could it be a font that is missing or corrupt? >> It is strange that Kghostview works tho if it is a missing font. >> > > I don't have problems with fonts otherwise. > The version of p 10 shown by KGV doesn't seem to have anything unusual, > but

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus

On Wednesday 31 December 2008 17:36:39 Paul Hartman wrote: > I can't remember the exact reasoning, but I do recall being told "it's > normal" and that it varies from one system to another, even with the > same hardware. I think it's related to capacitors or voltage regulator > or something like tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

090101 Dale wrote: > Could it be a font that is missing or corrupt? > It is strange that Kghostview works tho if it is a missing font. I don't have problems with fonts otherwise. The version of p 10 shown by KGV doesn't seem to have anything unusual, but perhaps one of the little graphics is causi

[gentoo-user] Re: nvidia warning comes a tad late

In <200901010423.25783.volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de>, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > That is why you have to go to nvnews first and then upgrade. Where is nvnews? I've been going to , selecting the driver I'm thinking of upgrading to, and checkin

Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late

Michael P. Soulier wrote: > So, like a good gentoo user I'm emerging some updates available for my system. > > To my surprise when I happen to look at the screen (as it's taking some time > to build and I'm obviously not watching the entire time), I see this: > > > * * WARNING * > * > *

Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.

Philip Webb wrote: > 081231 darren kirby wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale wrote: >> >>> I recently "stole" a Motorola Razr phone which didn't come with manual. >>> I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was attempting to read, >>> when Kpdf crashed. It does this whe

[gentoo-user] Blocking object does not exist...

Hi, HAPPY NEW YEAR ! :O) I have got a problem while updateing my Gentoo-Linux-box: Witzh this command: emerge Net-Daemon PlRPC DBI rxvt-unicode gstreamer e2fsprogs-libs nano e2fsprogs zynaddsubfx sox boost autounmask cmake smplayer kdelibs wxGTK firehol xulrunner xorg-server vlc I got (be