other. If someone has a better idea of doing this simple
> lowercase/uppercase change that satisifies PMS at all versions I am
> happy to revisit.
Is "sed -e" allowed? E.g.
[d531][waltdnes][~] echo "AbCd" | sed -e 's/\(.*\)/\L\1/'
abcd
[d531][waltdnes][~] echo "AbCd" | sed -e 's/\(.*\)/\U\1/'
ABCD
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large number of different inits, with as many "elif"
lines as you care to add. But, how do we reliably detect the currently
running init system? Are there running processes, or entries in /sys/
or /proc/ or /dev that are unique to to each init system?
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machine.
It's an ancient 2008 CORE2 with 3 gigs of ram, but it works fine for
me, including Youtube 1080P streaming.
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:41:06AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote
> I'm on 6.3.0 on x86, which is currently unstable on *ALL* arches, and
> "emerge -pv =sys-devel/gcc-6.3.0" shows "(-pie)".
And x86 32-bit
ady have a workaround), I'll look at the profile jump.
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evel subdirectories of /usr/portage and check against
the directory manifests?
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cleanup.gz
Description: Binary data
eed
> to have gcc, but may still need libstdc++.
That just moves the requirement for gcc+tools to the catalyst build
farm. OK, let's get specific... a *STANDALONE* Gentoo machine requires
gcc+tools.
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...gives 1814 *UNIQUE* packages, usually vith multiple ebuild versions
for each package.
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> Graphite loop optimizations.
That approach guarantees that the appropriate library versions are
available for the version of GCC that you're building.
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own linux installation" has a multi-terabyte hard
drive attached. There are small laptops with SSDs instead of spinning
disks.
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ary components for extensions
> * Overlay and bootstrapped extensions, including restartless ones
> * Access to low-level APIs from extensions
> * Pale Moon Sync (in the secure, time-tested Weave fashion)
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fall within the realm of
regular Gentoo. If anybody has problems, they can go to generic Gentoo
support forums/lists for help.
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-bootable (CD / USB-key) image as a standard
feature. In addition to installation, it would make the base of a good
system rescue utility.
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> sdb being your removable device. Also keep in mind that any data on
> sdb will be wiped after running the dd command.
Thanks. Much easier than the instructions on the Gentoo wiki.
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to do so (it's
> published already, we are working on getting it signed by the needed
> Microsoft keys right now.)
He's already done the heavy lifting. Aren't you re-inventing the
wheel?
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
with WONTFIX. Actually, for political
reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a bunch bugs+patches, and gets
them rejected. Then whenever anyone complains about not sharing code,
show them a bunch of WONTFIX emails from systemd/udev maintainers.
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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:21:21AM +, Duncan wrote
> Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted:
>
> > [Udev-systemd has] essentially announced ahead of time that most bugs
> > from non-systemd users would be closed with WONTFIX.
>
&g
ot a udev-181
or higher system with a separate /usr, and no intrd/initramfs, I'm sure
a lot of people would be very interested in knowing how.
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tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
See http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.busybox/36695 for why I
include "-fno-unwind-tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables". Would I
have to rebuild system and world without...
-fomit-frame-pointer -fno-unwind-tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables
...to have debug data available?
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
on my netbook, and I was able to Google the solution on my
desktop machine... http://en.spontex.org/forum/thread/561/1/ I'm
posting a heads up on the user list.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
they can start off with
USE="-*" and add on stuff as necessary when portage complains and/or
ebuilds break. That's what I'd recommend to someone wanting to set up a
"basic server" machine.
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On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 07:09:29AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote
> On Jan 17, 2013 3:35 AM, "Dirkjan Ochtman" wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Walter Dnes
> wrote:
> > > If someone wants a *REALLY* basic system, they can start off with
> &g
mit that "one size does not fit all". There
are just too many individual scenarios. A truly minimal build should be
sufficient to boot to a text console, and have networking and portage to
be able to build further up the chain.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
applications. We may simply have to admit that we can't please
everybody. I suggest a "minimal" profile instead. It would boot to a
text console, and have networking and portage, allowing you to build
further.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
#x27;s USE-flags
> listed. (I know I can find them elsewhere, but it would still be
> convenient for me.)
Maybe a note in the install docs to run...
emerge --info | grep "^USE"
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t; that the kernel exposes directly. Surely, we can do
better than VESA. Give drivers 2 options...
1) direct kernel access like now
2) access via the HAL/shim
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On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 03:44:33PM -0100, Carlos Silva wrote
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>
> > I'm not a C programmer, let alone a developer, so this may be a stupid
> > question, but here goes... has anyone ever tried doing a HAL (Hardware
&g
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 04:47:09PM +0800, Greg KH wrote
> On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 02:01:31AM -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 03:44:33PM -0100, Carlos Silva wrote
> > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > >
> > > >
e a USB stick. I tried to set up my
netbook as...
IP address 192.168.123.252
netmask 255.255.255.248 (YES!)
broadcast 192.168.123.255
default gateway 192.168.123.254
It failed, and I ended up with an address in the 169.254.xxx.xxx
range. Typing in the manual "ifconfig" and "route" commands worked, so
I went on and ignored the problem. A newer Gentoo user, e.g. me a few
years ago, might have given up.
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f It's an app, but may require changes.
* /etc/rc.conf Is going to have to be modified by users.
"Fun" for users, and app upstreams.
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reflect the new names. At least the
following search is suggested...
grep -rl eth[0-9] /etc /var/lib
Also any custom firewall/routing/network scripts in other locations
should be searched for references to eth[0-9].
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;random
runtime failures" may be in order. At the very least, it will let end
users know who to report the problem to.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
s, maybe we need a "virtual/net" as
part of the system set, which can be satisfied by either oldnet or
newnet or whatever. The install ISO will have a basic working network
stack (IPV4+IPV6). After the initial install, the admin can do
whatever. Maybe even invoke package.provided.
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bad eclass
See also http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/271860 where
I got involved.
As I said before, this looks like it'll hit a lot of GNOME-related
apps, and is going to take a co-ordinated effort of some sort.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
t; attention from us than the theoretically stable GNOME-2.32).
>
> And the real solution is to finally stabilize some release of GNOME-3.x
Thanks for the info. I didn't realize that stable was that far
behind. Now to see how much I have to keyword.
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I don't r
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:10:33AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
> On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 23:26 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:17:35PM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
> >
> > > It impacts users who use stable keywords and are therefore stu
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 09:22:56AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
> On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 04:19 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > I think I just realized what this means. I run ICEWM, not GNOME.
> > GNUMERIC and ABIWORWD and GIMP are the 3 GNOME apps that I use a lot.
> >
ng.
Wouldn't the "systemd" USE flag be the appropriate one to key on?
The description in /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc says...
systemd - Enable use of systemd-specific libraries and features like
socket activation or session tracking
Surely, units files qualify as "systemd-specif
e
> systemd project.
Then howsabout a "units" ebuild that installs all available units
files for systemd users? "The overhead of the files' presence is
trivial, and most systemd users won't care".
The thread title says it all... normal Gentoo users don&#
ug.cgi?id=198901 forbade using it that
way. And therefore systemd config files would be installed regardless
of flags. Therefore udev/eudev don't have "systemd" flags. But both
have "openrc" flags, and will not run OK on an openrc machine without
the "openrc" flag.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
xman:mmxext - Enable MMX2 support.
...shouldn't "mmxext" be moved out of use.local.desc into use.desc?
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on is generally better than cleaning up after the fact.
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SO. The advantage here is that if the system ends up no longer
bootable off the harddrive, you can still boot from the ISO, chroot into
the system on the harddrive, and send emails to the gentoo-user list
asking for help .
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
sorts of additional functionality. Backups while the
> system is quiesced? Hook for boot-chart and similar modes? A fast-boot
> special media-player mode? Something else exotic in mind? No problem!
> Hack up a special purpose switchup-mode script for it, and "the world's
> your oyster!"
I think you've just re-invented the bootloader (lilo/grub). It can
boot Gentoo, Fedora, BSD, any special-purpose kernel you wish, and even
Windows 7 for that matter.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
"bb-init" based on busybox? If so, a
separate partition would also prevent standard utilities from stomping
all over their busybox symlink equivalants. Add another entry to the
grub/lilo menu, and boot from that.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
wn properly with the old init
b) the system starts up properly with the new init
c) if the new files are incorrect/unbootable, you can simply chroot into
the machine and send pleas for help to the Gentoo user mailing list ;)
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On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote
> "Walter Dnes" wrote:
>
> > In order for a different init system to come up, some file(s)
> > somewhere *MUST* be different, no ifs/ands/ors/buts.
>
> How true is this in general? It is usually onl
t_USB/automount Having said
that, I don't see how busybox development justifies an additional layer
of complexity for everybody's bootup.
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"custom_patch_foo custom_patch_bar"
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r USE_EXPAND.
>
> (OTOH, as long a nobody will introduce a PYTHON_TARGETS_PYTHON2
> variable, python2_7 will also work fine.)
Out of sheer curiousity, why does make.conf need all 3 of...
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7"
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7"
USE_PYTHON=&
> >
> > rich0 is confused and looks over at the "storage space" he keeps his
> > bicycles in...
>
> So what colour would your storage space be?
I think mauve has the most ram http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-11-17/
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rom a text console, it
still works.
If there was a move afoot to remove sys-libs/gpm from the install ISO,
I would be part of the crowd up in arms about this. But that's totally
a separate item from the USE flag. Since I've never used the gpm USE
flag, I have to ask... what additio
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:58:37PM +0200, Michael Weber wrote
> On 07/31/2013 11:53 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > Hold on a minute. There is a *MAJOR* difference between "gpm" the USE
> > flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server.
> [...]
> > If there was a move
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:58:37PM +0200, Michael Weber wrote
> On 07/31/2013 11:53 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > Hold on a minute. There is a *MAJOR* difference between "gpm" the USE
> > flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server.
> [...]
> > If there was a move
/etc/procmailrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4479 Jun 14 02:54 /etc/wgetrc
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openrc to systemd first
2) once you have that working, then worry about upgrading to GNOME 3.8
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On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:16:37AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote
> Though, an init system standard might be the most promising approach.
Ahemmm http://xkcd.com/927/
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
from udev. GNOME forks already exist. Just
off the top of my head... XFCE, Cinnamon, Consort, Mint, Mate, Kate,
Unity, etc, etc. If you don't like GNOME, try one of them.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
encies.
>
> But to complain to upstream without providing patches is a bit futile,
> don't you think? That's not how open source projects work, we all know
> that.
>
> greg k-h
>
>
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namon/Consort/Mate/Kate/etc/etc. I'm a neutral observer of
this entire mess... see my sig.
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veloper standards, maybe the
wording should be a more generic "make a backup copy of" /etc. I also
recommend backing up /var/lib, which contains iptables rules, alsa
state, portage "world", and other goodies.
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ou're asking for
> trouble.
Wise words. That level of laziness *ON A PRODUCTION SERVER* is
unacceptable.
Are there any other packages that get updated as often as vanilla
sources? Maybe they should be considered for a similar policy.
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r-highlighted text, while...
grep foo bar.txt > output.txt
...returns plain text. So it can be done properly for everybody.
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
;editor" to view log files. I use mc (Midnight Commander) which views
plain text, but doesn't decode ANSI. A nice feature of mc is that I can
sort the file list by various options. When looking at emerge output in
/var/log/portage/elog, I want to sort by file-modify-time, so I can
easi
rep and/or parse in bash.
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#x27;.[35;1m2.7.[0m'
==
See https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463954
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
udev and
use mdev in the same manner as Alpine uses it. In case anyone asks,
auto mounting should still be possible. Attached is an excerpt from
/var/log/messages from a basic Alpine install. The kernel messages were
generated when I inserted a USB key into a usb jack.
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Oct 9
e a successful boot
> ;-).
Thanks for the idea. I have a spare box kicking around that I can try
it on.
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/etc/portage/package.mask
and my system continued to work just fine, thank you. Given the great
HAL fiasco, the fact that HAL has been incorporated into udev is yet one
more reason for dropping udev .
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I'll
try this on. I really do want it to work.
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On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:12:52AM -0400, Thomas Kahle wrote
> https://www.xkcd.com/963/
Xorg --configure
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(and no initramfs),
I'm willing to do a bit of extra work to configure things my way.
Speaking of tight integration, what happens if Redhat's employees make
udev depend on systemd?
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ich is a
symlink to /usr/lib/libudev.so.0.9.3 (which is also required). I can
emerge udev
move or copy the 2 files over to /root
unmerge udev
move or copy the 2 files from /root to /usr/lib/
Note that /usr/lib/ is a symlink to /usr/lib64 on my 64-bit gentoo
> Please discuss; I want to hear what you think.
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ownloaded from Youtube. Fedora
with generic i686 code would not work for me.
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7;m not a C programmer, bash is my forte. I'm retired, and I have a
spare machine to play around with for testing. Contact me offline if
I can help.
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distro
without blowing away my data.
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haracter
codes, e.g. "en" and "-en_GB -en_ZA". How is that handled?
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