entoo.org >>>
Sven,
Your link gives me a 404 error
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oo. Looking into the distant future, we can expect Package
Managers to be replaced like other packages.
3) I'm ambivalent - I'm a user not a dev.
4) Only time will tell.
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On 2006.05.28 20:09, Shyam Mani wrote:
Hi everyone,
Please take a moment to welcome our latest addition to the Forums
gang,
Roy Bamford aka NeddySeagoon.
NeddySeagoon (by day) is an Avionics Systems Engeineer with over 40
years experiance of playing with computers, something he started in
1963
r/cvsroot/CVSROOT/history
[snip]
> 1 neddyseagoon
[snip]
That's worrying, I'm not supposed to have commit access to the tree.
trustees docs, yes but that's the limit. To my knowledge, I've never
made a commit there either.
We should exclude forums mods who are not ebuild de
ting-logs/council-2008-
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on behalf of any project I may be a member of.
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nt, not a long debate
that tried to fix the issues there and then.
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can be turned
to Gentoos advantage by re-electing the current council.
Such a result will provide both continuity and stability which can only
be good for Gentoo. If you were thinking of voting for me, please vote
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Willikins be joined to:-
#gentoo-uk(I am owner)
#gentoo-chat (I'm not owner but will be point of contact for issues)
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> halcy0n:
> Gentoo-specific stuff
>
> tango_, jsn-:
> (rbot upstream developers) For fixing the bugs as I found them :-).
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it
but I'm against having two wikis for the same purpose.
I don't see a wiki of any sort adding to the developer burden.
We would recruit to staff it just as we recruit to staff any other
project.
There is nothing wrong with having two standards of documentation.
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o repeat.
e.g. the MSDOS Partition Table, the Extended Partition, the High Memory
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On 2009.02.24 21:23, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:17:57 +
> Roy Bamford wrote:
> > > PN and PV are metadata, same as EAPI.
> >
> > So we made a mistake with PN and PV and may compound it with EAPI.
&
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Tiziano,
The 7th is the first Thursday this month. Has there been a change to
the meeting dates ?
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tings every two weeks?
The two are not quite the same.
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the uptake rate compared to last time too
but as you infer, new developers need the right skill set.
At best, the publicity George suggests would raise awareness, which is
the first step to getting more help of the right sort.
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be delegated upwards to the council and either
scrapped offically, or some recruitment process started to breath new
life into them.
Maybe dead projects are cleaned like treecleaners ?
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Its probably a bad idea to send all the bugspam at the same time,
Sunrise might be overwhelmed, which would be bad for Sunrise and user
contributors who would feel let down
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only if we want to.
The PR is valuable.
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help themselves.
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which from the figures bandied about on the list may take marginaly
longer but its a price worth paying for a sound system design.
Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
remember, VHS was the better marketed but inferior technical solution
that won the standa
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> On Wed, 27 May 2009 20:55:33 +0100
> Roy Bamford wrote:
> > That means the EAPI needs to be extracted before the ebuild is
> &
suggested approaches to extracting the EAPI from the ebuild
are the best and remain unchanged. Thats unlikely, as not a lot of work
has been done it yet.
>
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> Areas of responsibility:
> Samba, PostgreSQL
nd the various solutions it touches on.
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details these benchmarks ?
Its possible I'm looking at an old version.
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> On Thu, 28 May 2009 20:42:30 +0100
> Roy Bamford wrote:
> > I don't see any objective measurements of performace in GLEP
having read the GLEP.
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ing applies to any other package
manager and there are at least three. This begs the question of how
friendly do we want to be to derivitive distros that use our tree but
their own package manager?
Upgrade path issues need to be addressed in the GLEP. I will add
something like the above in the
d
asteriods game.
If we get a solution, Gentoo can be first into the future again, if
not, we will always be last out of the past.
Gentoo needs a way to introduce new features without waiting over a
year to provide backwards compatibility.
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ep as it develops, not
be presented with a done deal.
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out "EAPI in the file name", not "EAPI in the file
name extension".
dev-zero got to me first on that and I need to update the glep.
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Mark,
Sounds good to me. There are signs the council is already moving
this way. e.g. the feature freeze on EAPI 3 and the acknowledgement of
the problem described by GLEP55 are two examples of the stepwise
approach to problem solving.
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y upset late adoptors. By implementing the key feature of glep 55,
which is making the EAPI known to the PM without sourcing the ebuild,
we would only need one last wait to introduce new features in this
way in later EAPIs.PMs would then know the EAPI in advance and ignore
ebuilds using
ch rarer than you may think.
Lastly, as a trustee and partly legally responsible for decisions made
on behalf of Gentoo, I am uneasy with the concept of non developers
making those decisions. Now reread my 'what if' above with that
liability in mind.
Note: Other trustees may have a differ
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> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:40:00 +0100
> Roy Bamford wrote:
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[snip]
> > What if an entire meeting and therefore any votes were
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- confirmation 2743 -
betelgeuse calchan
gentoofan23 patrick dertobi123 scarabeus dev-zero
lu_zero
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peper leio ssuominen ulm solar
- confirmation 2854 -
solar
leio
ferent arches. Sharing /usr/portage/packages is a really
bad idea in that set up. As they all run ~arch, they all build packages
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binary packages, which you were keeping in case of a broken ~arch
upgrade that needs to be reverted in a hurry. e.g. one of the nice big
shiny packages that emerge -e world just updated for you.
[snip]
>
> Rich
>
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in the BIOS/firmware/nvram on the board, such
> > that you couldn't boot anything else but that kernel?
>
> That is correct.
>
[snip]
So when you build a dud kernel and flash your BIOS with it, and we all
build the odd dud, your motherboard is bricked.
Now what?
Get out you
program has a lord, a master --
> and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
>
>
Duncan,
You don't want to listen to Presidents too much. Look at other real
life examples.
Would you claim that the President of the Gentoo Foundation speaks for
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the licence is just as
important as the code, so there are no trivial licence issues.
As a trustee, I am unhappy with losing the traceability at all.
Other trustees may have different opinions.
What seems trivial today, may not be trivial tomorrow if a licencor
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On 2012.11.25 14:42, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Roy Bamford
>
> wrote:
> > From the point of view of the licencor, the licence is just as
> > important as the code, so there are no trivial licence issues.
> > As a trustee, I am unhappy with
o does what when there is no pulse from
the Security Project?
This isn't really a Security Project issue. If its ever needed, the
Security Project isn't active. It affects other projects too, like
comrel, QA and others. Perhaps there is a common solution
to taking a proqcts pul
t; https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
>
>
... and some of those lost users might have gone on to become devs.
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> Mail: Alice Ferrazzi
> PGP: 2E4E 0856 461C 0585 1336 F496 5621 A6B2 8638 781A
>
>
Alice,
Forking with what aim?
Keeping the existing functionality alive in line with kernel
developments or that and adding new features.
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the repository at
rsync time will therefore remove the manifents and the files that they cover.
Is that understanding correct?
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e gcj use flag.
That will bootstrap icedtea:7
icedtea:7 will bootstrap icedtea:8
Tested on arm64.
With icedtea:7 going and gcc-5.4 not having a very long future,
building icedtea for a new arch will be painful.
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uild
and test packages offline before pushing the binaries to production.
Then they can run whatever they want.
Every Gentoo install is different and very few possible
combinations are actually tested.
By all means lower the bar for ~arch. Say, to "builds and works for
me, needs more testing". The down side is that it will create more
bug reports and more work, so it may only exchange one problem
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> Gentoo Linux developer
> (council, toolchain, perl, libreoffice, comrel)
Andreas,
Being somwhat old and cynical, I'm seeing signs of history
repeating itself.
Does being 'struck off' the list in this way apply to devs, including
Council and comrel members?
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Does removing non @gentoo.org email address from the ML not require
that process too?
Gentoo does not have any other disiplinary process than the action by
comrel that you describe.
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l something like:
>
> edistadd foo.tar.gz bar.tar.gz
>
> ...and it will place the files in the right subdirectories.
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>
>
>
>
Michał,
How does this work for fetch restricted files and finding other files
no longer o
EYWORDS="/etc/portage/package.accept_keywords"
but thats a recent name change.
PACKAGE_KEYWORDS="/etc/portage/package.keywords"
is the old name and my older systems still use that.
You probably need to harvest both and process both as portage does.
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> It seems to me that portage's current effort is to have all
> configuration files in /etc/portage or in the profile.
>
> Best,
> Michael Lienhardt
>
>
>
Michael,
'Support' can be as simple as n
d it gets masked too.
Its not a problem to me as I know how to manage it. Its just untidy.
With apologies to Pacho for citing his name in the worked
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> dictionary and can set the USE and VIDEO_CARDS flags according to the
> video card(s) you have.
>
> This would be along the same lines as the
> app-portage/cpuid2cpuflags pkg. Then the pkg is updated as new
> drivers
> and combinations are changed. Perhaps
the entire Linux community, a point
already made by others.
In volunteer groups things get done by those who want to do them.
Others join later. I think the quote I'm looking for is "Build it and they
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ay from these paths to general
> education of system setup, since they technically are valid, just not
> ideal.
>
>
+1
Add udev-settle now.
Have an advisory news item that says why its been done and what
users can do if they don't like it or don't need it, and what will ha
only filesystem and test it
> out.)
>
> If you do find a random package touching /dev I think most here would
> be pretty interested, as that seems rather bizarre.
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Team,
As a long time static /dev user the only thing I've noticed updates maki
.html
> [2] https://www.gentoo.org/glep/glep-0078.html
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>
>
Michał,
> However, the process is non-trivial ...
That's a down side.
What are the benefits to Gentoo?
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> a good thing — but we need to have policies in place, to make sure
> shit
> doesn't flow in.
>
> Compare with the shitstorm at:
> https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358
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>
Michał,
An excellent piece of prose setting out the rationale.
I fully support it.
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>
> welcome, apart from flames about how this is ridiculous and
> unnecessary :-).
>
> Best wishes,
> Eddie
>
>[snip method]
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nd to questions from the electorate.
6. Update topic in -dev with the turnout, post reminders to the
electorate.
Once we have a team, we can arrange a practice election.
On behalf of the elections project.
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Candidates cannot be officials.
So far we have two volunteers, kangie and andrewammerlaan. Thank you
both.
We need two more and an infra contact as there are a few odds and ends
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election for both
and an infra contact for the council election.
If you will be around during June and the first few days of July (for
the count), as long as you will not be candidates, elections would be
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so I won't try to predict exactly what that means. Suffice to say, we
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> > Development
[snip]
> Can I take this course online? Will the lectures be recorded?
>
> -ZC
>
I would be interested in an online version too.
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cation for a website
it probably as much work as actually building the site. It could easily
be as much work as the PMS.
Anyway, I'm rambling a little.
In summary, if we decide to outsource the website project, it needs to
be carefully controlled.
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e work, depending on what it was done on/for (who
> > > provided the equipment, tasks, etc.)
> >
[snip]
This is typical for the UK too. My present employer regards my role in
the Gentoo Foundation as 'employment'. I had to show that there was no
conflict of interests
nux
> because gentoo *bsd doesn't do it. I don't see that as relevant
> because ebuilds can be smart enough to test whether they are being
> emerged on Linux or *BSD.
>
> William
>
>
I don't think the 'luddites' have quite so black and white a vi
ting more devs on board so existing things can move faster.
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; Donnie
>
> Donnie Berkholz
> Council Member / Sr. Developer, Gentoo Linux <http://dberkholz.com>
> Analyst, RedMonk <http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/>
>
Donnie.
We make our own website framework for the same reason that everything
else happens in Gentoo.
elf, but I can't imagine the other
> Trustees would be opposed)!
>
> Rich
>
>
Works for me too, so thats a majority vote of Trustees.
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>
> [1] http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Bugday
> [2] http://blog.dastergon.gr/gentoo-bugday/
>
> Thanks,
> Pavlos
>
>
Pavlos,
I used to do a forums announce for the old bugday. That can be revived
too if you want. The old bugday ran to a calender, so the anno
and I'll do the forums announce.
Eventually, it will be a habit.
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news item will bypass them.
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publically
too, as thats one of the reasons proctors failed.
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> discussion
> each
> month)
Ok, so what colour should it be?
[with apologies to Douglas Adams]
[snip]
>
> Best,
> Andreas
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> h
On 2013.07.22 22:51, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Roy Bamford
>
[snip]
> >
> > Please keep voting in public. Its good for accountability.
> > If not in IRC, find a way to publish who voted and now.
> > Council do not get a secret ballot.
&
without maintainer approval well, you see how
> stupid that sounds?
>
> -Zero
>
[snip]
Rick,
The council should not be denied the ability to reach decisions
between meetings for the few times it will actually be needed.
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7;t supposed to be. I do like Williams
approach to posting a warning about the upcoming change so I cam manage
it for myself, if I'm feeling nervous.
Any notification of key packages changing like this is appreciated.
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> web: https://xmw.de/
> mailto: Michael Weber
>
>
The Gnome team has made their choice. I'm the light of that, users can
now make their own choices.
That's what Gentoo is about after all ... choice.
I fully support the Gnome teams choice ... now I have to make o
liges us to keep such patches around for three years, iirc.
Don't we do that ?
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rily technical,
> then Licenses (which is largely non-technical) doesn't fit so well.
>
> Ulrich
>
... or maybe a sub committee of the Gentoo Foundation Inc?
because of the non technical and legal implications of the work.
Trustees get involved with licence corner cases anyway, s
On 2013.11.22 09:38, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Roy Bamford wrote:
>
> >> Indeed, that's one of the two TLPs that were suggested. The past
> QA
> >> disliked having Licenses as their subproject, though. It depends
> on
&g
you win.
Mahatma Gandhi
Good luck.
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you can't override it
unless you also remove the symlink.
INSTALL_MASK means
I_KNOW_WHAT_IM_DOING_AND_AM_PREPARED_TO_KEEP_THE_PIECES
systemd and the components it has sucked in has become the centre of a
religious war with Zelots on both sides.
All an INSTALL_MASK_OVERRIDE would do is escalate the war.
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ssion is just a waste of resource for files
<=4k.
I'm not suggesting dynamically determining the output filesystem block
size (unless you really want to), choose a static limit below which
compression will not be applied.
That eliminates the discussion about small files.
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were inconvenient.
As overlays have become more widespread and used as a way to lower the
barrier to contributing directly to Gentoo, there are fewer packages
"masked for testing".
I like the old way, it avoids installing yet another overlay but
clearly others feel differently or there
fter you
spend 10 hours building *office and find out its a dud, you can back it
out in a few minutes.
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gt; know your current status.
>
> Mark Loeser (halcy0n)
> Gysbert Wassenaar (nixnut)
> Michael Weber (xmw)
>
>[snip]
>
> Thanks,
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on)
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Chris,
Its east to make worse too. There's mmxext and 3dnowext too.
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Lars,
app-cdr/dvdrtools provides the format utility to format DVD+RW media
prior to mkudffs on them. Where has that functionality gone ?
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On 2006.07.08 13:59, Lars Weiler wrote:
* Roy Bamford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06/07/08 12:46 +0100]:
> app-cdr/dvdrtools provides the format utility to format DVD+RW media
prior to
> mkudffs on them. Where has that functionality gone ?
I can't find any 'format' option
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27;ll get flamed for even thinking that.
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es of
your concerns.
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you should resign as a developer.
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Gentoo is a microcosm of the real world, there are closed minds and
predudices everywhere - why should the Gentoo dev community be any
different?
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On 2006.07.31 12:01, Giacomo Cariello wrote:
Roy Bamford wrote:
> Sunrise attempts to provide the next part of the school system
down. A school system should have a well defined syllabus, explicit
educational targets and an objective evaluation system. If Gentoo is
going to run a Gen
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