Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Required Features for $package_manager to Aid... Development!

2006-09-09 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 23:19, Ryan Hill wrote: > - current pet peeve is some way of dealing with SRC_URI's that use > dynamic redirects to the source files tell upstream people to stop being stupid -mike pgpt1iMxa8QRd.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Required Features for $package_manager to Aid... Development!

2006-09-09 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 09 September 2006 09:37, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > There's also any SRC_URI that includes an "&"... last i checked, the only problem lies in the final filename itself ... so you can use encoded strings in the URL itself so long as it isnt part of the filename -mike pgpP5ZyX0xuva.pg

Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: New developer William L. Thomson Jr (wltjr)]

2006-09-09 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 09 September 2006 19:46, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > Don't want to be misleading or anything :) aka he's a lamer -mike pgpQwrqf3hY8B.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monolithic X unsupported

2006-09-09 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 09 September 2006 20:10, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > This is a formal notice that monolithic X is no longer supported. awesome ! > Developers with X-dependent packages may pull the || virtual/x11 section > and retain just the modular dep list. Monolithic X will receive no > further secur

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monolithic X unsupported

2006-09-09 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 09 September 2006 22:46, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > so we're clear (cause i might have just missed it on irc) but there will > > be a "meta monolithic" ebuild right ? one that has all the same deps as > > what the current mo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Need guidance for updating CHOST

2006-09-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 22:23, Richard Fish wrote: > What I've basically been telling people is to: please god stop telling people that ive given Wernfried Haas proper instructions, he just needs to write them up -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] colon separated variables in /etc/env.d/

2006-09-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 10 September 2006 21:44, Zac Medico wrote: > For example, we can have a list of variable names > stored in a new variable called "COLON_SEPARATED" that will reside > in either the profiles or /etc/env.d/ itself. /etc/env.d makes most sense ... we just have to worry about how to handle th

[gentoo-dev] cleaning up forcing of all autotools

2006-09-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
i'm going to be fixing the autoconf/automake wrappers so that they no longer require all versions of autoconf/automake ... this will resolve the annoying circular dependency but at the sametime packages need to make sure that if they use autotools, they pull in the correct version -mike pgpUcE

Re: [gentoo-dev] media-gfx/imagemagick needs a temp maintainer

2006-09-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 14 September 2006 02:32, Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote: > the maintainer of media-gfx/imagemagick sekretarz is not responding to > bugmail and the package has two open security bugs. > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143533 > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144091 >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: media-gfx/imagemagick needs a temp maintainer

2006-09-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 14 September 2006 16:59, Sven Köhler wrote: > Not to forget that one: > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121142 sorry, i dont do perl -mike pgpsfyETMrMlX.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning up forcing of all autotools

2006-09-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 14 September 2006 07:02, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > Mike, will you update autotools eclass as well, to accept WANT_AUTO* before > inherit line? It should be trivial, but I'd have to check it first. i prob wont have time till this weekend ... so if you get to it before me i won

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise trusted committers with bugzilla access

2006-09-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 14 September 2006 17:04, Bryan Østergaard wrote: > As there's been very little, if any, interest from anybody besides > Stefan and Recruiters / Developer Relations I'm going to deny the > contributor access idea. Recruiters and Developer Relations feels that > this is a bad idea, especi

[gentoo-dev] punting old glibc ebuilds

2006-09-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
since all our arches have managed to migrate to either glibc-2.3.6-r4 or glibc-2.4-r3, i'd like to go ahead and punt: glibc-2.3.3.20040420-r2.ebuild glibc-2.3.4.20040619-r2.ebuild glibc-2.3.4.20040808-r1.ebuild glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r1.ebuild glibc-2.3.4.20041102-r2.ebuild glibc-2.3.4.20

[gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

2006-09-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
now that the issue with depclean is resolved (the reason we removed USE=acl in the first place), users shouldnt be able to [as easily] break their systems so if we're going to be enabling cruft like USE=ldap by default, we should be adding back in acl -mike pgpO4Lj84VKIB.pgp Description: PGP s

Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

2006-09-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 18 September 2006 21:12, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > I would prefer that we add this into a new release profile and move it > "up" the profile inheritance tree as the non-acl profiles get > deprecated, rather than introduce this into the current profiles. adding it to 2006.2+ is fine by me

Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (+acl)

2006-09-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 19 September 2006 02:20, Alec Warner wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Monday 18 September 2006 21:12, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > >> I would prefer that we add this into a new release profile and move it > >> "up" the profile inherit

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 19 September 2006 19:32, Thomas Cort wrote: > Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/seeds/ > > Why is this being done as a top level project instead of as a subproject > of Release Engineering? why does it need to be part of releng ? GNAP does

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 07:36, Simon Stelling wrote: > I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. why not just implement GLEP 23 -mike pgpZSKauYbIhF.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:38, Alec Warner wrote: > I think Chris's primary concern is one of "Tell us whats up before it > happens." why should he care ? some Gentoo guys take catalyst and produce stage4s directed at certain applications they arent talking about any of the tools releng

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:43, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > Michael Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We already have an existing LICENSE keywording in the ebuilds, > > why not just focus on patching portage to allow a make.conf variable > > for allowed licenses and block based on that? > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (oss)

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
oss is dead, why bother going with it in default USE anymore ? alsa forever ! -mike pgpVBY4JRJGLM.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 15:26, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > That's not the issue. The issue is that there should *already* be a releng > liason, but nobody from releng seems to know anything about this project. they havent even started releasing anything yet, they're just getting started why ar

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Package Manager Specification: configuration protection

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 19:57, Zac Medico wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:44:22 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > | 3) Prevents /etc/foo from matching /etc/foobaz or /etc/foobaz/bar. > > > > Is this really desired behaviour? > > In my opinion, i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 16:01, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Well, now it's gotten to the point where people are being sneaky and > underhanded about this whole thing. jesus give over and stop nit picking when they're ready to actually make a release and they dont go through releng, feel free t

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 16:27, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:27:50 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" > | I was hoping to avoid having to say this - actually I was hoping to > | avoid this whole drama - but we _don't_ need releng's approval to do > | this. To delay progress, Chris wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 15:33, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:00:59 +0100 Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | I've created a new project, called Gentoo Seeds [1]. The aim of the > | project is to create stage4 tarballs which can be used to 'seed' new > | boxes with ready

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 18:53, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > The complaints are that he allegedly did it > without consultation, and that he sprang this unexpectedly. he started a new project and he announced, whoopity do stop making a big deal over nothing -mike pgppKe9FuRp5z.pgp Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 19:50, Stephen Bennett wrote: > Sharing the idea and looking for consultation is one thing. Saying > "Gentoo is now doing this, like it or not" is quite another. funny, i dont recall him forcing anyone to help him -mike pgp1ZuNPbbA3B.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 22:43, Chris White wrote: > 1) Weekly summary of the project provided about Saturday my time, as that's > about the only guaranteed free time I can provide for a project just getting started, seems like a lot ... but i'm not part of said project so i cant really say

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 23:15, Daniel Watkins wrote: > And I don't use a LAMP server (and have only the vaguest grasp on what they > are) and, I've gotta say, I'm pretty excited by it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_%28software_bundle%29 -mike pgpC38qyNsX96.pgp Description: PGP signatu

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 09:27, Lance Albertson wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > >> 3) Mirror storage seemed to be an issue. There are plenty of offerings > >> from the adopt-a-dev project for bandwidth and server space that I think > >> could be utilize

Re: [gentoo-dev] Notification about MD5 support

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 09:34, Marius Mauch wrote: > Manifest2 records do not contain a MD5 checksum. The only guaranteed > checksum type there is SHA1. So once manifest1 is phased out the tree > will not contain MD5 checksums anymore. by "guaranteed" do you mean "guaranteed to be in the rec

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 06:35, Alin Nastac wrote: > For instance, the recent openssl-0.9.8* update broke dev-libs/neon (and > consequently subversion) because neon library isn't happy just by > linking with libssl.so.0.9.7 but also check the libssl version when > loads the ssl library. Anothe

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 07:59, Brian Harring wrote: > Why have the explicit var? Because 0.9.7a through 0.9.7c may all be > compatible, but 0.9.7d isn't. If you force an automatic algo that > tries to (effectively) guess, you get a lot of rebuilds through a,b,c, > end result being folks lik

Re: [gentoo-dev] Notification about MD5 support

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:00, Brian Harring wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 09:49:18AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Thursday 21 September 2006 09:34, Marius Mauch wrote: > > > Manifest2 records do not contain a MD5 checksum. The only guaranteed > > > chec

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:14, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Not adding it into the ebuild means that it's impossible to show in > advance what packages will actually be installed, because you don't know > whether the sover will bump. sometimes you dont know as the ABI bump may be arch or feature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:04, Brian Harring wrote: > I agree; while I'm labeling it ABI, includes both bad soname handling > and seperate sonames. those people should be smacked (for the interest of disclosure, i have violated the "bad soname" rule for the sake of following upstream) > Fe

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:38, Alin Nastac wrote: > Brian Harring wrote: > > There is one flaw with this though; packages can provide both > > libraries _and_ binaries. Our dependencies don't represent whether > > the dep is actual linkage, or just commandline consuming, so (using > > the op

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:54, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Yes, I agree with you. For example, take expat. The maintainers have > refused to allow both versions to exist simultaneously on a system > because it apparently causes more breakage than just breaking every app > on your system by remov

Re: [gentoo-dev] Notification about MD5 support

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:49, Vlastimil Babka wrote: > GLEP 44 says: touche -mike pgpy7mqcfngBq.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:56, Duncan Coutts wrote: > If we do go in this direction it'd be great to be able to slot on the > ABI and still have dependencies resolved correctly. For example imagine > having parallel python-2.3 and 2.4 installations with some libs > installed for both. Crucial

Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning up forcing of all autotools

2006-09-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 13 September 2006 23:18, Mike Frysinger wrote: > i'm going to be fixing the autoconf/automake wrappers so that they no > longer require all versions of autoconf/automake ... this will resolve the > annoying circular dependency but at the sametime packages need to make

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 13:15, Alin Nastac wrote: > Unless you save the specific compatibility version of the net-dialup/ppp > used by net-dialup/pptpd for building the package, I don't see how can > it help me. > Judging after /var/db/pkg content, I have no such information. it is all there

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 11:41, Duncan Coutts wrote: > On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 11:11 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:56, Duncan Coutts wrote: > > > If we do go in this direction it'd be great to be able to slot on the > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Thursday 21 September 2006 11:08, Brian Harring wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 10:43:11AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > i'm referring to the specific file of course, not anything else in the > > package ... so integrating the hack eutils.eclass:preserve_old_lib() in

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 06:35, Duncan Coutts wrote: > I was worried from your ABI/API comments that you meant that we should > never be allowed to do it. i was commenting on the more general case; SLOTing something that wasnt meant to be SLOTed -mike pgpQseGjV9xuk.pgp Description: PGP sig

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:14, Brian Harring wrote: > You're assuming that after the merge of the pkg that breaks > compatibility, building is actually _still_ possible for the depends. of course i am; i just said that portage would make sure to not unmerge any ABI lib still in use > We do

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:50, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:14, Brian Harring wrote: > > We don't classify our deps as actual build depends vs link depends; as > > such trying to (essentially) "patch things up after" allow for the >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 10:24, Alin Nastac wrote: > I see only libraries in NEEDED and it is probably generated > automatically. There is no way for the automatic tools to discover the > dependency between pptpd and ppp version. that gets back to ABI versus dynamic plugins ... we already kno

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 10:53, Brian Harring wrote: > Flush the cache... Makes a world of difference. i was running from a cold cache, thanks > Additionally, he is > talking about what is *done* with that data after the fact, iow other > words walking the entire vdb to find all affected pk

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 10:30, Brian Harring wrote: > dlopen? we already said that this will need a new depend variable > How does this fix openssl horkage? (bad soname handling) it wont, but such things are broken regardless outside of Gentoo ... and trying to accommodate something that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-25 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 23 September 2006 22:36, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > How would it know what other files are required? For example, if > libexpat.so.0 were to rely upon /usr/share/expat-0/config , how would > the package manager know not to clobber that file? Or are you > suggesting leaving (or reparenting

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-26 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 25 September 2006 14:16, Brian Harring wrote: > Bad soname handling is just *part* of what BINCOMPAT could do; it's > not the sole reason for it's existance, as such it's not quite right > dismissing it just because it addresses a rarity the NEEDED approach > doesn't. :) i dismiss it as

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
seriously jakub, stop responding ... you have nothing technical to offer to the issue at hand let the people who work on portage handle it -mike pgpiPg7pzkzw4.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT noise (Was: Profile masking and profiles package.mask)

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 13:02, Jakub Moc wrote: > Eh, the whole technical point here is that paludis behaviour differs > from portage (and differs from pkgcore, FWIW). the technical point is what is the expected behavior of the packages file ... seems silly to duplicate masking across two d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 00:40, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > For what I can tell, the current behaviour has the advantage of providing a > different masking reason for packages that are *needed to some version* for > the profile to be complete, and for packages that are know not to work

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 27 September 2006 03:54, Brian Harring wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:24:41AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > as i said, if you have changed ABI without an ABI bump, then the upstream > > package maintainer is screwing everyone who uses the package, not just &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-09-30 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 16:35, Lionel Bouton wrote: > There is a lot of material out there about CFLAGS `man gcc` always seemed fine to me in fact, lets read the -ffast-math section: -ffast-math This option should never be turned on by any -O option since it can

[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for October

2006-10-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev l

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile masking and profiles package.mask

2006-10-02 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 20:06, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Saturday 30 September 2006 19:39, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > isnt that the point of putting a comment above a mask ? > > # this package wont work on this profile > > bar/foo > > Indeed,

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-10-02 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 30 September 2006 15:34, Brian Harring wrote: > If that's what folks want, sure, but what you're proposing is just > sliding NEEDED in as the defacto solution without labeling it as such. no idea what this means > Re-read your emails, and mine please. The scenario I pointed out was >

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] CFLAGS paragraph for the GWN

2006-10-03 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 03 October 2006 08:26, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Your penis length is not proportional to the size of your CFLAGS. i could update vpenis.sh so that this statement is incorrect ... -mike pgp8aNMxlm8sc.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for October

2006-10-03 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 01 October 2006 02:18, Mike Frysinger wrote: > This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the > 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ > irc.freenode.net) ! due to some council members needing to do lame stuff like study for scho

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo World Domination. a 10 step guide

2006-10-04 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 07:21, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > I would say to drop everything bug sparc and ppc64, that seems to be the > only arch teams that actually respond in a timely fashion to keywording > requests. too bad sparc is tied to old kernels and ppc64 toolchain is useless

Re: [gentoo-dev] cracklib, shadow, cracklib USE flag, cracklib in system

2006-10-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 06 October 2006 11:32, Daniel Drake wrote: > 4. Remove cracklib from base/packages this can be done now -mike pgpQ28vryK6wD.pgp Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] glibc-2.5 going into ~arch

2006-10-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
glibc-2.5 will be going into ~arch for amd64/x86/ppc/ppc64/ia64 this weekend sometime, so pipe up now before i unleash it :p -mike pgpfnVAVTJBiW.pgp Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] glibc plans

2006-10-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
since upstream did not make a glibc-2.4 release of linuxthreads, i thought they were killing it off with glibc-2.3.6 for good ... seems there is a release for glibc-2.5 however so the plans are this: - stabilize glibc-2.3.6-r5 / glibc-2.4-r4 and make no more 2.3.6/2.4 updates - move all of ~ar

Re: [gentoo-dev] glibc plans

2006-10-06 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 06 October 2006 19:11, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > So we'll need to update the no-nptl profiles to be ~sys-libs/glibc-2.4 > instead of >=sys-libs/glibc-2.4, obviously, but will there be any other > changes necessary? i dont believe so ... glibc-2.4 does have linuxthreads, but via an untest

[gentoo-dev] reminder: invalid usage of USE=static

2006-10-07 Thread Mike Frysinger
please remember that using USE=static to control whether static libraries are installed is wrong packages that can install static and shared libraries should always be installing them -mike pgpHHzEifWBaO.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles, Round 2

2006-10-08 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 07 October 2006 23:04, Zac Medico wrote: > Should we add multiple inheritance support now? yes -mike pgpJagfj7FpY3.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is it time for bash-3?

2006-10-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 13 October 2006 13:57, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > In a nutshell: Let's change profiles/base/packages from > "*app-shells/bash" to "*>=app-shells/bash-3". works for me -mike pgpV2QMgtSUP3.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 13 October 2006 09:54, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:40:59 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | At the profile level, I've added support for package.use > | which behaves like /etc/portage/package.use that everyone is familiar > | with. The intention is that the IUS

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is it time for bash-3?

2006-10-13 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 13 October 2006 20:05, Marius Mauch wrote: > a) don't do anything and assume that everyone is already on bash-3. Not > exactly nice but pragmatic. if they arent, then they're running wicked old baselayout which means their system is horribly outdated anyways ... to be honest, i want to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:00, Richard Brown wrote: > man portage says that package.use is one depend atom per line. that addresses the "we can do it" but not the "we should do it" maintaining a large list of defaults in a profile is ugly ... instead of having all the information self contai

Re: Recommended -march settings [was: Re: [gentoo-dev] CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:49, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Do we have an official list of recommended -march settings somewhere? > > I, for one, still do not know what the right CFLAGS for my ThinkPad X60s > with its Intel Core Duo CPU are. but what you actually want is a list that tells yo

Re: Recommended -march settings [was: Re: [gentoo-dev] CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 October 2006 05:46, Wernfried Haas wrote: > What about creating an official document for both -march/mtune and > CFLAGS settings for different CPUs? last i checked they're all supported -mike pgp04ODZTAmC0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 October 2006 21:46, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > As opposed to having to keep multiple ebuilds in sync, which is even > harder because they're not all in the same location. what are you talking about ? the point of having per-package defaults is so that you can enable a flag by defaul

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 15 October 2006 14:16, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:09:58 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | what are you talking about ? the point of having per-package > | defaults is so that you can enable a flag by default in one package > | only >

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 15 October 2006 19:54, Danny van Dyk wrote: > From my point of view as an architecture dev and releng member: Having > all default USE-flags at one spot (per profile) _is_ easier to maintain. these arent arch or profile specific issues ... these are maintainers themselves being able to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-15 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 15 October 2006 22:17, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:43:19 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | per-package IUSE defaults comes after everything else ... so if you > | want to change the default in the profile, nothing is stopping you > | from

Re: [gentoo-dev] Setting number of parallel builds for other build-systems than 'make'

2006-10-16 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 01 October 2006 15:27, Brian Harring wrote: > I might be daft (likely), but why not just introduce a var indicating > max parallelization instead? seems like the best thing to me ... then in things like GNOME packages, they can force the jobs to 1 rather than having to mung MAKEOPTS ...

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-17 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 17 October 2006 07:30, Luca Barbato wrote: > the IUSE="nocxx" is that different than IUSE="+cxx" ? that is where we want to move to > So it doesn't look to me that problematic, am I missing something? the issue is that Ciaran wants all of the stuff to be in the profile rather than in

[gentoo-dev] support for i386

2006-10-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
we're going to have to cut off support for i386 targets starting with glibc-2.6 ... the upstream plans are to require TLS and i386 does not have the atomic instructions required to support it some other implications ... the glibc-compat20 people will also be stuck with glibc-2.5 (as that implie

Re: [gentoo-dev] amd64 and ia64 keywords

2006-10-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 21 October 2006 04:04, Alin Nastac wrote: > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't amd64 and ia64 architectures > nearly the same? rofl not a chance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IA64 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD64 my guess is you're confusing EM64T and IA64 ... in that case, pe

Re: [gentoo-dev] support for i386

2006-10-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 21 October 2006 04:53, Roy Bamford wrote: > "cut off" as in nothing for i386 or leave i386 at glibc-2.5? i havent really decided ... i would like to settle on one version though for no-nptl/i386/glibc-compat20/etc... > What is the lowest IA32 arch that will be supported ? i486 -mike

Re: [gentoo-dev] RC_STRICT_NET_CHECKING or the net dependency

2006-10-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 21 October 2006 10:05, Roy Marples wrote: > baselayout-1.13 now handles multiple provides. That means that you have can > 3 or more services that provide "logger" and baselayout will pick the right > one based on what's running, then what's run the runlevel and finally > alphabetical or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Gentoo Commitfests

2006-10-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 22 October 2006 01:45, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: > Let's look at reality here, OK? any reality that includes you makes me laugh -mike pgpQkziHkIs8I.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Massive package.mask cleanup

2006-10-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 22 October 2006 16:17, David Shakaryan wrote: > Hypothetically speaking, if version 1.4 of a package is in package.mask > and we are now at version 1.6, with 1.4 removed from the tree, is there > really a reason why the mask for 1.4 should stay? no, punt it ... if people want such a poin

Re: [gentoo-dev] support for i386

2006-10-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 22 October 2006 10:03, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Dropping support for "i386" means not being able to use the "i386-*" > CHOST. you've hinted at the point of my e-mail ... moving forward, do we change our min supported version to i486 ? Debian did this quite some time ago ... -mike pg

Re: [gentoo-dev] RC_STRICT_NET_CHECKING or the net dependency

2006-10-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 22 October 2006 07:52, Roy Marples wrote: > OK, from my persepective we had RC_STRICT_NET_CHECKING because we couldn't > previously handle multiple provides. Here's how the new way translates. i use it because i want to disable most net based requirements ... my machines all use this:

Re: [gentoo-dev] why is net.eth0 started, even though it's not in any runlevel?

2006-10-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 22 October 2006 18:42, Sven Köhler wrote: > when i load the module for my network-card, then baselayout thinks, that > it's a good idea to a) start net.eth0 even though it's not in any > runlevel and b) start net.eth0 in runlevel boot. yes, the default behavior is to do hot/cold plugging

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Gentoo Commitfests

2006-10-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 22 October 2006 20:45, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: > Good good! Laugh is good for your health, and you'll > need lot of support in that area next time I see you... what you gonna do, climb up my trunk ? -mike pgpxnj2qIwztY.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Gentoo Commitfests

2006-10-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
chill out ... if you dont get it, dont bother commenting -mike pgpOunCG5gy7z.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Devrel Subproject: Gentoo Devmatch

2006-10-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 22 October 2006 21:59, Peter Gordon wrote: > David Shakaryan wrote: > > Alec Warner wrote: > >> Developers volunteer to dual off against other developers (including > >> retired developers!) in the ring. > > > > Good luck, Ciaran! :) > > I move that spb be his opponent on this duel. *runs

Re: [gentoo-dev] RC_STRICT_NET_CHECKING or the net dependency

2006-10-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 23 October 2006 02:40, Roy Marples wrote: > On Sunday 22 October 2006 13:24, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > thus RC_STRICT_NET_CHECKING=lo gave me the perfect behavior > > And by default you'll get that behaviour. i'll take your word n it ... if it doesnt behave

Re: [gentoo-dev] support for i386

2006-10-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 23 October 2006 03:38, Roy Bamford wrote: > I suspect the liveCD x86 kernel does not include FPU Emulation, in > which case we already require 386/387 as the minimum hardware level. ok ? i dont see how that is different from what is expected; we release i386 stages and our livecds supp

Re: [gentoo-dev] implicit vs explicit dependencies

2006-10-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 23 October 2006 16:50, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > If your package uses pkg-config to discover stuff, you depend on pkg-config > at buildtime. Point. i dont agree exactly with your analogies, but i do agree with your final point here -mike pgpXXgEN6Xq92.pgp Description: PGP sig

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: mirroring distfiles/patches on patches.gentoo.org

2006-10-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 23 October 2006 18:51, Stefan Schweizer wrote: > Thanks for the heads up. I was not aware of this when I was looking for a > solution badly back then. Must be a rather recent development. i guess that depends on your definition of "recent" ... it's been in place since June/July > Still

[gentoo-dev] Re: remove my address

2006-10-23 Thread Mike Frysinger
read the goddamn mailing list page for how to unsubscribe *yourself* -mike pgpPKfrfwYOZb.pgp Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: remove my address

2006-10-24 Thread Mike Frysinger
stop spamming this shit and go read the mailing list page like i said already: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml -mike pgpfLyWPE49l3.pgp Description: PGP signature

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