[gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-12 Thread Joshua Kinard
x27;ve already tested out udev-181 on a VM with a separate /usr. With devtmpfs, the system fully boots just fine, no initramfs needed. Guess what the only piece of software to mess up is? Udev. I largely think it's a timing issue in OpenRC, however, because /usr DOES get mounted fairly quic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-12 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/12/2012 21:37, Kent Fredric wrote: > On 13 March 2012 14:22, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> I thought this up on a whim, it hasn't been tested nor vetted. It's largely >> meant as a joke, but also to provoke discussion on the current filesystem >> design and the di

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
kinda is, along with key filesystem tools. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/13/2012 07:54, James Broadhead wrote: > On 13 March 2012 01:22, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> We should be working to getting rid of /usr and bring it all back into /, >> then create temporary /usr symlinks to point programs in the right >> direction. After all, /usr wa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
ng module support entirely. The trend now seems to be to modularize everything these days, even stuff like the core disk drivers, then build those core modules into an initramfs that the kernel cherrypicks from at boot. That's the perception, anyways, and one which I don't really get

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
lly lost some amount of "freedom" in my choice of running a Linux box. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-14 Thread Joshua Kinard
e comically: http://megatokyo.com/strip/305 -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Ce

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-14 Thread Joshua Kinard
a decision point: adapt, or become irrelevant. I chose to stick with Gentoo as my distro of choice because I didn't like the way Red Hat did things years ago. As well as a few other nitpicks I have. It bugs me to no end that, despite running a fairly vanilla setup on a source-based distro who

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
s firmware and change this setting). Devtmpfs quite literally handles 98% of my particular usage scenario. Does that apply to everyone? Nope. Just an interesting observation. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
parate /usr mentioned specifically anymore in either security guide, but I'm sure if you dig on the Wayback Machine (once it comes back online), you can probably find these references. Search from 2003 to 2007. I'm not certain when they were removed. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
-/usr-without-initramfs will not work and > will not be supported :) Not supported by whom? udev? Or Gentoo? -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, mom

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
rise sector, the one-size-fits-all approach is damn near mandatory because most admins run with the distro-provided kernel and typically are not custom compiling them. But we're not a binary distro. We're a source-based distro, although it's possible to run Gentoo in a binary fashion. As

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
esystem. If we were looking at some non-critical, non-boot service that made this decision, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
27;t Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :) > > Gentoo provides far more options than Debian does, so this seems > somewhat contradictory to me. Agreed. Debian is focused on an entirely different model of building a Linux system, thus they have a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
able to boot my systems up just fine. Is it futureproof? Not really. I imagine plugging USB mass storage devices into a udevless system might be problematic. Food for thought. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
dn't do colors in the terminal. We did. And it all branches out from there. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
#x27;s system, without fully replacing OpenRC, but I would actually be interested in seeing something like this on Gentoo (such as something that simply parses and executes rc-update to change things). http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/file-rc -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
n FS like those two which not only encourage dozens of mount points, but which seamlessly hide all the dirty details from you (and the users), and issues like this will simply vanish into thin air. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
indows into D:\ :) I'd say call it /sys for NetWare's old SYS:\ volume, but that's already taken by sysfs. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip aw

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/14/2012 17:13, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 08:07:07AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote > >> Ah, bluetooth keyboards. The luddite in me finds those quite >> the oddity. I still use only PS/2, specifically because it's less >> complex and less like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
in that fashion, I don't know for certain. But yes, if you enable CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC, you're essentially turning on (or utilizing) an initramfs accessible via /proc. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
stantly referring to Fedora or Freedesktop websites for their reasoning doesn't matter to me. I don't use Fedora nor do I use X11 (at least the server. I tunnel 2-5 X11 apps over SSH, however). -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The pas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
; make this basic fact go away. It's human nature to complain or otherwise voice dissent, especially when someone or something comes along and declares that what used to JustWork(TM) now NoLongerWorks(TM). Does that mean my dissent matters? Probably not. But that's not going to stop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/15/2012 10:41, Greg KH wrote: > > There's always mudev if you don't want to run udev, good luck with that. Got a link? We don't have anything matching in the tree, and Google turns up nothing relevant in the first few pages. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Undocumented and unused USE variables

2012-03-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
ath from such an old glibc to something newer. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emp

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
? Come to think of it, a disk drive that blew steam and made a whistling sound without totally destroying the disk would be pretty awesome... -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Relicensing sys-freebsd/* under the BSD-2 license

2012-03-30 Thread Joshua Kinard
Portage in Bash syntax under GPLv2. That said, sometimes you just find entire chunks of BSD code in Linux, complete with only the BSD copyright block: See drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/queue.h -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Happy 10th birthday (in advance)

2012-03-30 Thread Joshua Kinard
at death of the Universe. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Rep

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-17 Thread Joshua Kinard
wake up one day and exclaim, "I will develop X!", and then go off and do so without any formal planning or even a rough idea of how to start. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes, you just roll dice. That's what keeps life interesting. -- Joshua Kinard G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-18 Thread Joshua Kinard
gger ROI on security than gutting module-loading tools or systemd scripts off of a system. Do I like them there? Not really (unless I'm developing a kernel driver, then modules come in handy). But it is what it is. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 &qu

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-18 Thread Joshua Kinard
types that runs a fairly vanilla, not-very-fancy system that has had a separate /usr for a number of years (2005 for most of my machines), it's a relatively painless transition and it doesn't require the initramfs and it avoids having to backup/format/restore each system. Obviously,

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-18 Thread Joshua Kinard
nerated from the udev > package itself, as it holds the master hardware database. But that's a > totally different topic than the one at hand, and is still being worked > on by the developers of the different upstream packages. Okay, maybe it's just the kmod thing I am think

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 11/19/2012 9:39 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> Correct me if wrong, but didn't the issue start with udev wanting to put the >> PCI ID database/file into /usr/share from /etc? > > Well, I can't vouch for what

[gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] sys-libs/glibc: Convert from eblits to eclass, #586422

2017-03-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
make a catalyst run as well, especially a stage2 run which will invoke /usr/portage/scripts/bootstrap.sh, to cover all corner cases. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, the present con

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] sys-devel/autoconf: Convert from eblits into an eclass, #586424

2017-03-21 Thread Joshua Kinard
le manner and be used by far more consumers than today's eblits are, is to either find and finish the old elibs GLEP or start one over from scratch, submit whatever needs submitting via patches to at least PMS and Portage, work through whatever processes are required for approval, and then de

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] sys-devel/autoconf: Convert from eblits into an eclass, #586424

2017-03-21 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/21/2017 04:43, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > On 03/21/2017 09:28 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> In general, the concept of code-sharing common blocks of logic between >> multiple >> ebuilds in a specific package directory that is not a top-level eclass is not >> e

Re: [gentoo-dev] The status of grsecurity upstream and hardened-sources downstream

2017-06-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
chain? Or would there be a few additional steps needed? I only use PaX for mprotect() and the ALSR capabilities, though I suspect those might be in the standard sauce by now. As such, I haven't had to deal with userland issues and PaX too much over the years. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS

Re: [gentoo-dev] The status of grsecurity upstream and hardened-sources downstream

2017-06-26 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 06/26/2017 09:15, Luis Ressel wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:47:48 -0400 > Joshua Kinard wrote: > >> Safe for now to just switch to gentoo-sources while retaining hardened >> toolchain? Or would there be a few additional steps needed? I only >> use PaX

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profile-enforced big-endian USE flag

2017-06-29 Thread Joshua Kinard
nment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness#Middle And this resource: http://unixpapa.com/incnote/byteorder.html Recommends to ignore middle-endian, as it believes no processor was ever implemented that stored integers in middle-endian format. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] can't gpg sign with repoman, but can with git

2017-07-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
e that GPG_TTY is set in your shell. ^^^--- This is likely the issue. Add: export GPG_TTY=`tty` To your ~/.bash_profile (or wherever you put your PORTAGE_GPG_KEY value), and that should solve the issue. I got bit by this once, and spent a while convincing Google that I'm not a robot t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC pre-GLEP] Gentoo Git Workflow

2017-07-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
optional body wrapped at 75 chars/line, and including the usual git tags for sign-off and such. Though, I like the explicitness of the GLEP's text on a few things more. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943

[gentoo-dev] [PATCH] toolchain.eclass: Remove kludge that blocks gcc-6+ on sys-libs/uclibc-ng systems

2017-07-29 Thread Joshua Kinard
a gcc-6-built, sys-libs/uclibc-ng in chroot for some time now, have completed several catalyst runs, and am at the tail end of a fresh install of a sys-libs/uclibc-ng userland on actual MIPS hardware. Signed-off-by: Joshua Kinard --- eclass/toolchain.eclass |3 --- 1 file change

Re: [gentoo-dev] keywording ~sys-libs/glibc-2.26

2017-11-12 Thread Joshua Kinard
s ~2 weeks ago indicated glibc-2.26 caused Python to fail its build because either the RPC or NIS module failed to build (I forget which). -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, the p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Manifest2 hashes, take n+1-th: 3 hashes for the tie-breaker case

2017-11-12 Thread Joshua Kinard
considerations for the userland support for them on non-glibc systems? E.g., are they provided by third-party libraries or do they need implementations in uclibc/uclibc-ng/musl/*? And what about the Alt/BSD side of things? I assume FreeBSD implements this already, but worth verifying wit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Manifest2 hashes, take n+1-th: 3 hashes for the tie-breaker case

2017-11-12 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 11/12/2017 22:48, Gordon Pettey wrote: > On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Joshua Kinard wrote: > >> Minor clarification, old single core //and// uni-processor. Some older >> machines have multiple physical CPUs that are single-core. Threading >> should be >>

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-mips] Monthly mips@ project status for April 2018

2018-04-02 Thread Joshua Kinard
are not impossible (all the tools are still in the tree), but we really need netboot images first. Any future boot CD will be command line only. The X11 world has moved so far ahead, that even if Octane's X11 Impact driver got fixed, I doubt the experience would be anything but "fun

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-mips] Monthly mips@ project status for April 2018

2018-04-02 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 4/2/2018 3:37 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: > On 4/1/2018 11:40 PM, Matt Turner wrote: >> I'd like to start giving ~monthly updates on the status of mips@ in >> Gentoo. >> >> Recently I received a Loongson 3A system (quad-core 1.35GHz, 16GB RAM, >> AMD graph

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly mips@ project status for April 2018

2018-04-02 Thread Joshua Kinard
only part of mips4. It also has no knowledge of scheduling for the old CPU families, like R10K. I helped write the current R10K scheduling code for gcc a few years ago, so maybe could do something for clang/llvm, though I have no idea how they implement CPU scheduling logic. -- Joshua Kinard Gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly mips@ project status for April 2018

2018-04-02 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 4/2/2018 4:32 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > W dniu pon, 02.04.2018 o godzinie 13∶27 -0400, użytkownik Joshua Kinard > napisał: >> On 4/2/2018 5:41 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >>> W dniu nie, 01.04.2018 o godzinie 20∶40 -0700, użytkownik Matt Turner >>> napisał: >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

2016-02-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
imple* filesystem configurations (i.e., just basic partitions, no LVM, evms, encryption, etc). So I don't there would be immediate breakage in this scenario. It's going to depend on how a given system was configured. Simple setups appear to JustWork(), AFAICT. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
GNU package or RH itself, can go pound sand for all I care. I'll go back to a static /dev and I'll manually mknod any missing devices if I have to. You know it's getting ridiculous when you can maintain a Windows/NTFS partition layout easier than a Linux one. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/

Re: [gentoo-dev] usr merge

2016-04-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 04/10/2016 08:14, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> >> Create like, a table on the Wiki or some kind of metadata property >> per-package >> that can contain a boolean or tri-state flag indicating whether it works or >

Re: [gentoo-dev] What are eblits?

2016-05-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
~1.5KB per mips-sources ebuild, so 3.4KB per ebuild instead of the current 4.9KB). And yes, for anyone wondering, I have new mips-sources ebuilds. Just took a month to partially rewrite the SGI Origin/IP27 kernel code and then hunt down a hardware bug on my SGI Octane, so, been distracted... -- Jo

Re: [gentoo-dev] What are eblits?

2016-05-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
to share package-specific code between multiple ebuilds of differing versions. Whether the idea is useful in the present day and age, eh, who knows. For the mips-sources ebuilds, eblits let me centralize the per-machine notes and unpacking logic, which reduced each ebuild's size from ~18KB a

Re: [gentoo-dev] please remove me off your mailing list

2016-05-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
ipped to learn. :p > > Hence, the suggestion includes both. > > - Solve the immediate issue. > - Include information to solving the issue in future. The other, less popular option, is to just feed the man to the fish. That also solves the problem :) -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku.

Re: [gentoo-dev] What are eblits?

2016-05-29 Thread Joshua Kinard
ous where one would store them. Easy...under eclass/, in per-category sub-folders :) (yay for more directory bureaucracy!) > Ulrich > > [1] > https://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo/users/antarus/projects/gleps/glep-XX.txt?view=markup > -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] 'Gentoo Linux' bugzilla component reorganization

2016-06-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
s in other places > (e.g. security bugs). > > Your thoughts about this one? I'd add at least an entry for "Toolchain" and route it to the toolchain@g.o address by default. Most users know to assign a majority of gcc-related or binutils-related bugs to toolchain anyways. Not

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] bugs.g.o: Merging UNCONFIRMED & CONFIRMED into NEW

2016-06-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
ion, thus cannot be easily and independently confirmed. It'd be nice if, when replying in a comment, a flag could be made available to automatically to state that "I've encountered this issue, too", and once 2, 3, or 4 of those are logged, Bugzilla automatically changes the state

[gentoo-dev] [PATCH] kernel-2.eclass: introduce K_FROM_GIT for sources that derive from git repos

2016-08-20 Thread Joshua Kinard
mentation instead of a hardcoded ebuild, should future kernel packages sourced from a git repo get added. Patch is attached for review. Thanks! -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, the

[gentoo-dev] Georgia Tech Rsync mirror issues

2016-08-20 Thread Joshua Kinard
like their mirror is running at around a plaid-inducing speed of ~2.3K/sec. For anyone that remembers the 28.8kbps days... Thanks! -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, the present confus

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] kernel-2.eclass: introduce K_FROM_GIT for sources that derive from git repos

2016-08-20 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 08/20/2016 20:22, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 08/20/2016 05:13 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> All, >> >> It looks like that sometime around Linux 3.15, some kind of a quirk was >> introduced where a patch that contains the removal of a symlink followed by >> t

Re: [gentoo-dev] is this newsitem worthy?

2016-08-21 Thread Joshua Kinard
g an "ewarn", so it's not a critical error and should have been squelched with the first --quiet. I'd either update the message to an "eerror" to get attention or add a note about the double-quiets somewhere (or add a new switch, --stfu, to do the job ). -- Joshua Kin

Re: [gentoo-dev] base-system needs developers who care

2016-08-29 Thread Joshua Kinard
Indigo2 R1 to boot again. I think the Gentoo install on that machine hasn't seen the light of the Kernel since ~2006. Probably earlier. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, th

[gentoo-dev] net-misc/iputils, why is the latest p'masked?

2016-09-05 Thread Joshua Kinard
8. However, it is simple enough to backport. But I'd prefer the easier option of unmasking 20160308. Thoughts on how to proceed? -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, the presen

Re: [gentoo-dev] recommended way to get gcc-6 for testing packages

2016-09-05 Thread Joshua Kinard
ing it to portage. Why not > just add it hard masked or unkeyworded? > > Paweł It's in the hardened-development overlay. You can use layman to install the overlay, then test out gcc-6.2.x. Already found a bug related to mips myself, heh. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 0/4] New no-lib-symlink profile for developers

2016-09-05 Thread Joshua Kinard
2 - hybrid 32-bit/64-bit (like x32), goes into /lib32 or /usr/lib32. n64 - full 64-bit, goes into /lib64 or /usr/lib64 This basically follows the layout that old IRIX used to use when you had binaries/libs from all three ABIs mixed into the same root. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] recommended way to get gcc-6 for testing packages

2016-09-07 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 09/06/2016 06:56, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: > On 05/09/16 13:07, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> On 08/31/2016 17:28, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: >>> gcc-6 doesn't seem to be in portage. >> It's in the hardened-development overlay. You can use layman to install the &

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: important fstab update

2016-10-26 Thread Joshua Kinard
md* aren't affected by this? Cthulhu-forbid Linux device naming gets any more complicated than using UUID's. What's next, saving the serial numbers of discovered disks in an overly-complicated key/value-based non-SQL database format? -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 614

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unused profiles

2017-01-22 Thread Joshua Kinard
s right now, so it'll be awhile before I put stuff on the mirrors. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip aw

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: moving OpenRC to a meson-based build

2017-01-31 Thread Joshua Kinard
ng clang/llvm and several other dependent packages. I've given up trying to debug it, too. It's something gcc-6.x is doing, code-generation-wise, that is beyond my ability to troubleshoot. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 B

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 00/30] One batch of Python eclass updates to rule them all

2022-02-09 Thread Joshua Kinard
t said, its existence in a musl stage would solve the problem highlighted by tools blindly trying to call 'locale' and logging that it doesn't exist. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org rsa6144/5C63F4E3F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 &q

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecating repoman

2022-03-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
e messages on the console every time I commit a change. They give the RepoMan personality and a soul, and thus, contribute to the uniqueness that is Gentoo. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org rsa6144/5C63F4E3F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943 "The

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecating repoman

2022-03-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
ment packages you propose? If so, please say so and identify which one(s). My opinion is that any tool that replaces repoman should, at a minimum, replace like functionality with like functionality, plus benefits or enhancements. This looks more like a step backwards, not a step forwards. -- J

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecating repoman

2022-03-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
ough to look at any issues it has and attempt to fix them? That said, I'm not terribly bothered by it. It is slow, don't get me wrong, but it's not slow enough that my workflow is significantly impacted. It catches most of the mistakes I've ever made before I make them so that I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecating repoman

2022-03-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 3/10/2022 14:59, Alec Warner wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:28 AM Joshua Kinard wrote: >> >> On 3/9/2022 16:47, Matt Turner wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 1:37 PM Matthias Maier wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Just a quick though: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecating repoman

2022-03-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 3/10/2022 14:58, Alec Warner wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:27 AM Joshua Kinard wrote: >> >> On 3/9/2022 16:00, Matt Turner wrote: >>> I'd like to deprecate and ultimately remove repoman. I believe that >>> dev-util/pkgcheck and pkgcommit (from app-p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecating repoman

2022-03-11 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 3/11/2022 03:54, Mart Raudsepp wrote:> Ühel kenal päeval, N, 10.03.2022 kell 18:18, kirjutas Joshua Kinard: >> I stick to the officially-published method of checking and committing >> changes: >> https://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-maintenance/git/index.html >> &

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecating repoman

2022-03-11 Thread Joshua Kinard
it workflows. Going back into git post-commit to fix things is still something I need to learn more about, as my git-fu is still pretty amateurish beyond the common basics. Especially when dealing with kernel patch maintenance and maintaining lots of small, discrete changes that kernel upstream pref

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecating repoman

2022-03-11 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 3/11/2022 20:54, Sam James wrote: > > >> On 11 Mar 2022, at 19:39, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> >> On 3/11/2022 03:54, Mart Raudsepp wrote:> Ühel kenal päeval, N, 10.03.2022 >> kell 18:18, kirjutas Joshua Kinard: >>>> I stick to the officiall

Re: [gentoo-dev] Deprecating repoman

2022-03-11 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 3/11/2022 20:57, Sam James wrote: > > >> On 10 Mar 2022, at 23:18, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> >> On 3/10/2022 14:58, Alec Warner wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:27 AM Joshua Kinard wrote: >>>> >>>> On 3/9/2022 16:00, Matt Turner

Re: [gentoo-dev] proposal: use only one hash function in manifest files

2022-04-11 Thread Joshua Kinard
zation above or the > unoptimized reality below - there's still twice as much work being > done. This is all unless I've misread the source code, which is > possible, so if somebody knows this code well and I'm wrong here, > please do speak up. Not to go off-topic, but w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Switching default password hashes from sha512 to yescrypt

2022-07-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
ull request on libxcrypt for argon2[4], so maybe that is something to follow to see where it goes? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Password_Hashing_Competition 2. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9106 3. https://github.com/linux-pam/linux-pam/issues/45 4. https://github.com/besser82/libxcry

Re: [gentoo-dev] Switching default password hashes from sha512 to yescrypt

2022-07-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 7/25/2022 15:34, John Helmert III wrote: > On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 03:30:08PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote: [snip] >> >> "yescrypt" is an odd name for a hashing algorithm. I looked it up on >> Wikipedia, and it just redirects to the 2013 Password Hashing Co

Re: [gentoo-dev] Switching default password hashes from sha512 to yescrypt

2022-07-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 7/25/2022 15:30, Joshua Kinard wrote: [snip] > > Some really quick looking around, I'm not finding any substantive > discussions on why yescrypt is better than argon2. It so far seems that it > just got implemented in libxcrypt sooner than argon2 did, so that's why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Switching default password hashes from sha512 to yescrypt

2022-07-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 7/25/2022 16:29, John Helmert III wrote: > On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 03:59:59PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> On 7/25/2022 15:30, Joshua Kinard wrote: >> [snip] >> >>> >>> Some really quick looking around, I'm not finding any substantive >>> d

[gentoo-dev] Last Rites: net-misc/spread

2022-10-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
# Joshua Kinard (2022-10-13) # Difficult-to-resolve build issues on modern toolchains, # not publicly maintained, developer contact is difficult, # and project website has SSL certificate issues. # Bug #838109. # Removal on 2022-11-13 net-misc/spread

[gentoo-dev] Defining TZ in the base system profile?

2023-01-18 Thread Joshua Kinard
. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34346346 3. https://vermaden.wordpress.com/posts/ 4. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4554271/how-to-avoid-excessive-stat-etc-localtime-calls-in-strftime-on-linux Thoughts? -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org rsa6144/5C63F4E3F5C6C943 201

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] kernel-2.eclass: Make xmakeopts an array for spaces in toolchain vars

2023-01-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
ddir}/scsi || die #glibc/uclibc/etc... Can we perhaps use this opportunity to make "xmakeopts" more clear via a better name, as well as uppercase it to indicate that it is an exported variable? E.g., something like "CROSS_MAKEOPTS" is more clear to the reader than "xmakeop

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] kernel-2.eclass: Make xmakeopts an array for spaces in toolchain vars

2023-01-27 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 1/24/2023 18:40, James Le Cuirot wrote: On Mon, 2023-01-23 at 11:20 -0500, Joshua Kinard wrote: On 1/21/2023 06:03, James Le Cuirot wrote: Variables like CC can have spaces for additional arguments. This is particularly useful for reliably setting the sysroot. Signed-off-by: James Le

[gentoo-dev] What happened to gcc-12.3.0?

2023-06-14 Thread Joshua Kinard
ears, but ever since the switch to C++, the time needed for it to build itself has just been absolutely horrendous. And it gets worse with each new release, for some reason. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org rsa6144/5C63F4E3F5C6C943 2015-04-27 177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3

Re: [gentoo-dev] What happened to gcc-12.3.0?

2023-06-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 6/15/2023 01:04, Matt Turner wrote: On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 12:02 AM Joshua Kinard wrote: Options? I mean, if anyone knows magic to make gcc build faster, I am all ears, but ever since the switch to C++, the time needed for it to build itself has just been absolutely horrendous. And it

Re: [gentoo-dev] What happened to gcc-12.3.0?

2023-06-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 6/15/2023 07:37, Sam James wrote: Joshua Kinard writes: Noticing that the ebuild for gcc-12.3.0 got dropped with little explanation. It is the upstream stable release. I am eyeballing #906310 as what may have triggered the drop, but I find it a bit of a stretch that an upstream stable

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping mips-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 01/20/2013 4:23 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that > herd then > > Do you agree? Yeah, I am the only maintainer of mips-sources anyways. Any problems with that package should go to me or the mips herd direct. -- J

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item draft for >=sys-fs/udev-209 upgrade

2014-02-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
I poked around on the wiki a bit to try and find any reference > to INSTALL_MASK and systemd, but didn't find anything. Minor note, also not using systemd (or udev, for that matter), but out of curiosity, I checked my x86_64 system and I don't have a /lib/systemd directory. Looks li

Re: [gentoo-dev] News draft #2 for the udev-210 upgrade (was: 209 upgrade)

2014-02-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
grep -rIn "config DMI" * arch/ia64/Kconfig:104:config DMI arch/x86/Kconfig:748:config DMI drivers/firmware/Kconfig:91:config DMIID drivers/firmware/Kconfig:100:config DMI_SYSFS So all non-x86/ia64 systems (amd64/x86_64, too??) probably need to ignore this CONFIG_* item. -- Joshua Kinard

Re: AW: Re: [gentoo-dev] News item draft for >=sys-fs/udev-209 upgrade

2014-02-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
gs don't break. Though, I am also not using that on my x86_64 box and it boots fine, so YMMV. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost

Re: [gentoo-dev] News draft #2 for the udev-210 upgrade (was: 209 upgrade)

2014-02-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
might have. There's also the option of using busybox's mdev as well, although it's a lot more limited and no where near as configurable as udev/eudev is. But for some, it works perfectly (like me). Eudev: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Eudev Mdev: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev

Re: [gentoo-dev] News draft #2 for the udev-210 upgrade (was: 209 upgrade)

2014-02-26 Thread Joshua Kinard
in jessie is just further affirmation that, sysvinit is deprecated (last release was almost 4 years ago, too). Most future Linux systems that are based off of mainstream distributions will *have* to use systemd+udev in order to achieve maximum functionality. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gent

Re: [gentoo-dev] News draft #2 for the udev-210 upgrade (was: 209 upgrade)

2014-02-26 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 02/26/2014 6:44 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Joshua Kinard wrote: >> Most future Linux systems that are based off of mainstream >> distributions will *have* to use systemd+udev in order to >> achieve maximum functionality. > > Certainly! Clarification: I wasn't i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Possibility of overriding user defined INSTALL_MASK from an ebuild?

2014-02-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
I personally override INSTALL_MASK now for all systemd/udev folders, because I don't use it or udev, but who knows, I might switch to it one day down the road and forget that I have that var set. That'll definitely cause issues for me then, and I'll be major herp-derping when I fi

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