Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: What about a big PDEPEND in xorg-server-1.1 ebuild, with a bunch of "video_cards_foobar? ( >=x11-drivers/xf86-video-foobar-NewVersion )"? That should be enough to force a smooth update of the video drivers after the server. And, the RDEPEND on video drivers coul

Re: [gentoo-dev] Metabuild dependency types

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Sven Köhler wrote: Would it harm anything, if the drivers become a dependency of the second kind? It would mean that you could have the xorg-x11 metabuild installed and yet still not have a complete installation, if the emerge failed after it was installed. The question of what type of depe

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: > So imho, that's a lot of unlikely conditions one should join to end > with broken drivers, and i don't think you should care too much about > it. Thanks for your input. > The ati --> {mach64,radeon,r128} change may make some of the above more > likely to happe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X: unmasking tonight, RFC

2006-04-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Bertrand Jacquin wrote: Is it planned to release some xserver ebuilds ? Could you rephrase the question? I don't understand it. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Remove your modular X unmask

2006-04-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all, This is a reminder to everybody that now modular X is in ~arch, you need to REMOVE YOUR MODULAR X UNMASK. We're getting lots of issues because people aren't doing this and are getting package.mask'd versions of programs because they forgot about it. In particular, xorg-server 1.0.99

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Remove your modular X unmask

2006-04-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Duncan wrote: Is it worth posting bugs on these yet? Gentoo or upstream? Any tracker bug to point me at? (I have the binpkgs so can remerge them for additional testing with little trouble, if necessary.) Yes, and they are most likely upstream bugs. Two things to do before posting a bug: 1)

[gentoo-dev] OSCON booth?

2006-04-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all, I've been talking to some X.Org folks about sharing an OSCON [1] booth with us. OSCON is in Portland, OR, July 24-28, and the exhibit hall is open Wednesday and Thursday (26-27). This would help alleviate any short-staffing either group has, and likely attract more attention to the bo

Re: [gentoo-dev] OSCON booth?

2006-04-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2006-04-20 at 11:40 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Mike (vapier) mentioned that at LWE, the O'Reilly guys offered us a booth. I presume this means free. That was what I gathered. You would need to speak with Daniel Ostrow, however, to get the exact de

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-21 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Donnie Berkholz schrieb: >> This also means that all binary drivers (nvidia, ati, etc) will be >> broken with xorg-server 1.1 and RC's until their upstream vendor >> provides a compatible update. > > Do you know whether these upst

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo theming during bootup

2006-04-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Matthew Gaule wrote: Could a simple USE flag (Such as "branding") be implemented, which if set, will pull in and configure gentoo themes when a package is compiled? This could be unset by default, meaning most users would not be effected by this.] If most users are unaffected by the change, th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Goller wrote: I like the idea. (But i guess you figured that out already ;) To make it easy, we could just s/herd/team/. Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Herds, Teams and Projects

2006-04-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 26 April 2006 22:38, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Daniel Goller wrote: I like the idea. (But i guess you figured that out already ;) To make it easy, we could just s/herd/team/. then you might as well just keep herd and discard team altogether Yeah, pretty

Re: [gentoo-dev] Which license?

2006-04-27 Thread Donnie Berkholz
A. Khattri wrote: Im working on an ebuild for a package and Im not sure what license to use. The package is Copyright Company "X" but has this underneath: ## This software may be freely copied, modified and redistributed ## without fee for non-commerical purposes provided that this license ##

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ryan Phillips wrote: Does anyone agree that having a council is too political? I strongly believe it stifles gentoo. I believe a non-representative democracy is stifling, and buries everybody in constant votes etc. Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Tim Yamin wrote: Speaking of which, has anybody done any tests with svk? (http://svk.elixus.org) And: http://svk.elixus.org/?WhySVK -- it would be interesting to compare checkout performance on it as well. I've been planning to do a more detailed comparison of all the popular SCM's out there f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: cogito Actually git on its own is pretty usable at this point. I use plain git for managing my overlay. Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] ACCESS DENIED during emerge

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
A. Khattri wrote: Does this sound right or is there a better (preferred?) way? Try to fix --enable-conf-install to respect DESTDIR or whatever other install method you're using, or look to see what flag it will take at 'make install' time to use a prefix. Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mai

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ryan Phillips wrote: git - terrible with lots of tiny little files Can you provide some evidence to support this? I posted in more detail on SCMs elsewhere today. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ryan Phillips wrote: * In addition, git only allows checkins from the project parent. A deal breaker in my opinion Could you elaborate on what you mean by this? I don't understand. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Fernando J. Pereda wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 02:56:26PM -0700, Ryan Phillips wrote: I sorta like git in certain aspects. If git would work better than CVS or anything other SCM I'm for it. Right now, _anything_ would be better than CVS. I don't really know if Git is suitable for our wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris White wrote: On Friday 28 April 2006 04:14 pm, Ryan Phillips wrote: I disagree. By committing something to the current tree it has the ability to effect a lot of people. What happens when we need to reverse a commit? It isn't that easy with CVS. cvs admin -or1.1 (delete revision 1.1)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jan Kundrát wrote: Ryan Phillips wrote: Stable and unstable keywords are a hack on top of a version control system. We wouldn't have them if gentoo used an SCM that supports true branches. There would be no need. Umm, I'm not an ebuild dev, but how would users mix stable and unstable package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alexandre Buisse wrote: The opensolaris project has done a similar thing[1]. The three finalists were bazaar[2], mercurial[3] and git[4], and the winner was eventually mercurial. This is also the recommended choice from the EuroBSDcon slides, so definitely something to consider. Indeed, althoug

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-04-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alexandre Buisse wrote: The opensolaris project has done a similar thing[1]. While we're posting useful links, here's another one from the cairo project on switching from CVS to some distributed SCM: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2006-February/006255.html Thanks, Donnie -- gen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo: State of the Union

2006-05-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: Hrm. Don't we get that benefit only if the overlays switch over to using the same distributed VCS that the main tree moves to? The short answer is yes. The long answer is that it's much easier to interconvert histories between most DVCS's than to convert back and forth

Re: [gentoo-dev] bash has libs in /usr/lib

2006-05-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Philippe Trottier wrote: > We got some old school install done in a server around town, the libgpm > was located in /usr/lib while /usr was only mounted later. This is a > bug... Nothing should have a soft link to /usr/* from /bin or /lib*. > Anyway it was an easy fix. > > Could people around che

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: When will KDE 3.5 be marked as stable?

2006-05-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Bart Braem wrote: > Xorg 7: 5 months Can't stabilize till portage 2.1 is stable. Doesn't matter how many open bugs we've got, or how well it works. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Disenchantment

2006-05-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Goller wrote: > get we have lost one important thing out of sight, gentoo is a distro by > users for users, and the users i think are left out of the loop on this > whole situation This may be true for you but not for all of us. Gentoo is a distro where I can have what I want, and I can mak

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion

2006-05-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Alec Warner wrote: > Please don't commit files to profiles/ unless it has been discussed > previously > on this ML. I don't care if your file is insignificant or 'won't affect > anything else' or that it's 'completely necessary'. Please discuss it first. > > You don't have to ask for a vote o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion

2006-05-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Roy Marples wrote: > On Wednesday 10 May 2006 01:17, Alec Warner wrote: >> Please don't commit files to profiles/ unless it has been discussed >> previously on this ML. I don't care if your file is insignificant or >> 'won't affect anything else' or that it's 'completely necessary'. Please >> dis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion

2006-05-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Tue, 09 May 2006 18:27:45 -0700 > Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Then again, I'm missing context because people have this weird thing >> about abstractly bringing up issues without discussing the actual >> pro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Discussion

2006-05-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2006 00:07:29 -0700 Donnie Berkholz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | so discussion with at least the portage team would be merited. > > Already happened, in amongst all the other GLEP 42 stuff. Then I wonder why a member of the port

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X and hardened

2006-05-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Simon Strandman wrote: Hello I installed modular X on my server running hardened. It was quite annoying to have to switch back and forth betwen the vanilla gcc and the hardened. I couldn't leave it on compiling over the night but had to monitor it all the time. Is this really necessary? Why c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X and hardened

2006-05-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > This was handled in the 6.8.x series and got dropped for unknown > reasons when the modular X porting started happening. > Unless your dead set on modular X I'd stick with the 6.8.x series. We are using the solution that was suggested to us by members of the hardened team. If yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X and hardened

2006-05-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > The current solution (bail if -z,now is set in the compiler specs) is > not one suggested by the hardened team, just need to make that clear, > and it's not something we would encourage elsewhere. However until we > can provide a solution for such a high-profile pac

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X and hardened

2006-05-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > # Xorg server is unaviodably suid with lazy bindings > RESTRICT="stricter" > > to the xorg-server ebuild to stop it dying for people with > FEATURES=stricter (the comment helps people who have enabled STRICTER > to see why it's disabled, in case anything else crop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Matthijs van der Vleuten wrote: > On 5/17/06, Christian Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > With respect to the "hey support omg!" comments i say stick a big fat >> > README about being an experimental profile or something like that and >> > that's it. Usually bug reports require "emerge --inf

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Duncan Coutts wrote: > In case anyone needs distracting from a current hot topic... > > Just like we have eclasses for cvs, tla etc, kosmikus has written one > that does the same thing but for darcs. s/kosmikus has/I have/, s/darcs/git/ > Darcs (dev-util/darcs) is one of the new breed of distrib

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 09:08:08AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: >> On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 01:45:30PM +0200, Fernando J. Pereda wrote: >>> Also, git-sources *should* use this eclass once it is in the tree since >>> people using it will save _lots_ of bandwidth and disk space. >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Greg KH wrote: > Ok, we'll make it a new ebuild. "git-live-sources" perhaps? :) If you just want the latest git rather than snapshots etc, you could do a git-sources-.ebuild. That seems to have become the standard. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-19 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Simple case - consider a disconnected machine, that you use sneakernet > to get files to - I've had a few in the past where the hardware was new > enough that networking was broken or not supported yet, and I had to try > a few patches and snapshots before actually getting

Re: [gentoo-dev] New git.eclass

2006-05-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Fernando J. Pereda wrote: > I'd like people who use Git eclass to test it and see if any of the > 'features' I introduced break things for them. I just incorporated much of this into my version (minus some whitespace changes) and pushed it up. Seems to work fine on my stuff, although the additiona

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving virtual/eject to new-style virtual

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 12:38 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: >> So, right now virtual/eject is the old-style virtual that gets listed in >> virtuals file in the profiles, defaulting to sys-apps/eject that is Linux >> only. > > Please refrain from adding any new(bad) styl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving virtual/eject to new-style virtual

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Harald van Dijk wrote: > How does it help? New-style virtuals have several disadvantages, and the > usual advantages of new-style virtuals don't apply here. If it actually > provides real benefits, then no objections from me, but how is this > easier to maintain than a "virtual/eject sys-block/uniej

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving virtual/eject to new-style virtual

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Harald van Dijk wrote: > can't block themselves when only one may be > installed at a time, This is the one that really annoys me. New-style virtuals are supposed to make things so easy, but you end up having a ton of crap added to each provider to block all the others. Thanks, Donnie signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed package move

2006-05-23 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 18 May 2006 06:41, Paul de Vrieze wrote: >> The package sys-apps/paludis is in the wrong category. It is a package >> manager on par with rpm, dpkg, etc. Those live in app-arch. > > app-arch is for things that manage archives > > paludis is much more than an ar

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] bugs.gentoo.org comment length restrictions

2006-05-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jeffrey Forman wrote: > To all, > > Recently there have been reports of exceedingly long comments being > posted on bugzilla bugs, such as kernel configs or long error messages. > > I had instituted a comment restriction in our test environment that will > be shortly implemented, but with the rep

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Devmanual

2006-05-24 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mark Loeser wrote: > At long last the devmanual is official. You can find it at > http://devmanual.gentoo.org. I would like to thank plasmaroo for helping > me with converting it to XML (since he did all of the XSL work to add in > the features we needed to make it easy to write and expand upon).

[gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] New eselect modules for blas, cblas, lapack

2006-05-25 Thread Donnie Berkholz
With great pleasure, I announce the testing release of new eselect modules for BLAS, CBLAS and LAPACK implementations. You may say, "But we already have 'eselect blas' and 'eselect lapack,' Donnie! What are you thinking?" In reply, I would say, "The current eselect modules have many limitations."

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] New eselect modules for blas, cblas, lapack

2006-05-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Danny van Dyk wrote: > Donnie: RFC: should ACML be modified to install both ABIs? (i.e. x86 and > amd64). I'd say no, as no packages but glibc/gcc/binutils currently do > that. Portage should be fixed to allow things to be installed for ABI=x86 and ABI=amd64. We shouldn't work around that in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Summer of Code students and Planet Gentoo

2006-05-27 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Drake wrote: > 1. We encourage our students to write about their projects on weblogs, > and will set them up temporary weblogs at gentoo-soc.com if they do not > have them already Why a new domain? We've already got a blog setup at http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/ and could just add htt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Summer of Code students and Planet Gentoo

2006-05-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > The worry there was whether it would create controversy if they were > hosted with other developer blogs, so we figured we'd host the actual > blogs off-site (should irk less people, although presumably most will > already have external blogs already) and just aggregate

Re: [gentoo-dev] xextproto, what to do

2006-05-30 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: >> Hi, >> I am trying to install qemu and kqemu, and I run into a problem: > > This is a question for the gentoo-user mailing list. Didn't you notice, he cross-posted to there as well as personally emailing me. Not something likely to make an

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect-compiler updates and unmasking

2006-06-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jeremy Huddleston wrote: > I finally had a few free cycles, so I fixed up the eselect-compiler > ebuild to better handle the transition from gcc-config and updated > toolchain.eclass to better work with multilib. I've had a bunch of help > from the amd64 devs/testers/users this past week testing i

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: >> =virtual/x11-7 is hiding breakage in ebuilds that are not ported for > modular X. I couldn't agree more, but I was forced to add this rather than allow unported ebuilds to break. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: > Olivier Crete wrote: >> Is there a recent list of non-ported packages ? Maybe we should do a >> last effort to port everything for a week or two and then package.mask >> the packages that no one cares enough about to port them. > > Hmmm, not a up2date one, AFAIK... There's a tra

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion + 1

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > -for conf in ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do > +for conf in default ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do > > Call it 'default' ? Switch the order around so it's 'default PN PN-PV PN-PV-PR' -- that way you can have a package-specific setting, and override it for specif

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion + 1

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Ned Ludd wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 07:49 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Ned Ludd wrote: >>> -for conf in ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do >>> +for conf in default ${PN}-${PV}-${PR} ${PN}-${PV} ${PN}; do >>> >>> Call it 'default'

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect-compiler updates and unmasking

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jeremy Huddleston wrote: > I finally had a few free cycles, so I fixed up the eselect-compiler > ebuild to better handle the transition from gcc-config and updated > toolchain.eclass to better work with multilib. I've had a bunch of help > from the amd64 devs/testers/users this past week testing i

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect-compiler updates and unmasking

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > This aliases g77 to gfortran and gfortran to g77. They are entirely > different compilers and do not accept all the same options. This is > incredibly broken behavior, it masks issues in a number of packages and > creates new issues in many others. Please fix

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-08 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > No, but the ebuilds are also checked by the team in question, that > actually knows the packages, versus a couple of developers that will be > overworked, dealing with packages that they are completely unfamiliar > with and have no experience with. I just don't see the tw

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: >> With an overlay: search sunrice.gentoo.org for the package (no, I don't >> know category/name), sync that directory (no, I'm not syncing the whole >> sunrice tree), check it over, note some mistakes, compile it if I feel >> OK with it, it fails, I fix it - and what then?

Re: [gentoo-dev] client+server packages - build which one?

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > The truth is that we don't ever want to become like the binary > distributions. We don't want to have to have separate > client/server/common/devel as it removes many of the advantages that > Gentoo has. The default should *always* be to install the package as it > was i

Re: [gentoo-dev] client+server packages - build which one?

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Not policy (I don't think) but current accepted practice. > > Should this become a policy? I'd say so, since this discussion regularly comes up again, and how we do it is really an expression of the Gentoo philosophy and our differences from a typical binary distribution

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Initially, yes. What happens once the user gets complete access to the > repository, though? Are we going to be keeping people from adding > packages without bugs? Absolutely. This is for maintainer-wanted stuff, so it should be documented in Bugzilla and assigned to ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Since when was overlays.gentoo.org supposed to even be a service to our > users? As I understand it, the goal was to ease development, not to > provide an easy method for half-working ebuilds to make it to our user's > machines. Our users are our biggest base of testers,

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/x11-7* hides real bugs and breaks good ebuilds

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Jakub Moc wrote: > Donnie, pingy! ;) Just a friendly reminder to run the script again, so > that we can do a last attempt on fixing the remaining stuff before > resorting to more drastic solutions... Yeah, it's on my list, but I've got family here all weekend so no time to work on stuff. Thanks,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise -- Proposal

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > While I do think this proposal is much better than the previous > non-existing proposal, it still doesn't address the problem of having > the sunrise overlay hosted on a non *.gentoo.org address to make it > 100% clear to the public that it is unsupported. It's no mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] July Council Meeting: Requested Agenda Item

2006-06-11 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:13:36PM +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: >> To take an example, there were made up quotes in my GWN interview, >> however, nothing of great harm. I believe that time it was a case of >> attempting to make it more fun, it is however a worryin

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo conference?

2006-06-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Last year right after LWE August, Corey set up a 1-day Gentoo developer conference. Is anyone who's attending LWE going to pick up the ball, now that he's gone? Much of the information is supposedly on the devwiki [1], but it's somewhat broken right now. The infra folks are working on fixing that

Re: [gentoo-dev] A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > As I've said all along - I do not have any problems with Project > Sunrise. I have a problem with it being an official project hosted on > *.gentoo.org, as I fear most users will think "hey, it's official, > it's hosted on *.gentoo.org - it can't be that bad". Judging

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: A heretical thought? Blessing project sunrise as an almost-fork.

2006-06-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Dan Meltzer wrote: > According to the devmanual [1] > "A herd is a collection of developers who maintain a collection of > related packages" > > are you sure you are using the correct term? > > [1] > http://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/herds-and-projects/index.html I guess it needs to g

Re: [gentoo-dev] variable quoting, setting optional variables to "", and depending on virtual/libc

2006-06-16 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Thomas Cort wrote: > What is the proper quoting style for using epatch? In the tree there > are about 3 different styles... > > epatch ${FILESDIR}/some-fix.patch # used by 7326 ebuilds > epatch "${FILESDIR}"/some-fix.patch# used by 3092 ebuilds > epatch "${FILESDIR}/some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo conference?

2006-06-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Last year right after LWE August, Corey set up a 1-day Gentoo developer > conference. Is anyone who's attending LWE going to pick up the ball, now > that he's gone? > > Much of the information is supposedly on the devwiki [1], but it's &g

Re: [gentoo-dev] GWN Comments

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Josh Saddler wrote: > With all the talk about forums and comments, that got me thinking: Heck, why > not > just have it posted to the forums? That way it and the comments can be viewed > by > the general public, but if you want to comment, you can just use your existing > forum account. No additi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Caleb Tennis wrote: >> Currently we are at 4), should we change anything? > > My proposal: > > I would personally like to stay with just the "qt" use flag. The use flag > will be for support of whichever version of Qt is supported (v3 or v4) for > the particular emerge. > > In the cases where m

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 03:11:38PM -0400, Caleb Tennis wrote: >> I would personally like to stay with just the "qt" use flag. The use flag >> will be for support of whichever version of Qt is supported (v3 or v4) for >> the particular emerge. > > I would like a singl

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > Problems with having 'qt' to mean latest and 'qt3' as specifically > version 3 include: > > 1) Target package depends on build system (assuming 'qt' is interpreted > as 'qt3' if only that is installed, rather than pulling in qt4 if not > already present). What? There will

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Mike Owen wrote: > From this user's perspective, simple is better. qt3 and qt4 as use > flags are completely and utterly obvious as to what they mean, and > there is no confusion about them. Adding a plain qt flag in there > brings back the gtk/gtk2 mess that we've presumably been trying to > avoid

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Wednesday 21 June 2006 00:52, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> Yes, you will need to introduce a qt4 flag as upstreams >> port packages to qt5, if they choose to also retain a qt4 frontend. > You're trying to compare gtk to qt direc

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > On Wednesday 21 June 2006 02:12, Donnie Berkholz wrote: >> I disagree with this and agree with Caleb's earlier suggestion. >> Presumably he has some clue what he's talking about when it comes to qt. > I suppose he has, that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Useflags: qt, qt3, qt4?

2006-06-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: > I am talking about qt. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, I was thinking of KDE > users, that are, casually, the main users of Qt-related stuff. > > In this particular issue, KDE (3) users are the main part, they need poppler > and other stuff built for Qt 3. There a

[gentoo-dev] Council summary for 13 March 2008

2008-03-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all, Here is the summary from today's council meeting. The complete log will show up at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ shortly. Thanks, Donnie Roll call = (here, proxy [by whom] or slacker?) amnehere betelgeuse here dberkholz slacker [39 minutes late] flameeyes h

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-power/nut: ChangeLog nut-2.2.1.ebuild

2008-03-15 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 06:03 Sun 09 Mar , Rajiv Aaron Manglani (rajiv) wrote: > 1.1 sys-power/nut/nut-2.2.1.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-power/nut/nut-2.2.1.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-power

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] net-libs/xulrunner-1.9 slotting or not?

2008-03-15 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 17:12 Sat 15 Mar , Raúl Porcel wrote: > That's what i would like to hear opinions about. Should we slot it, or > should we not slot it and wait until all the apps are fixed? Favoring upstream's approach seems to better fit the Gentoo way. If upstream doesn't intend it to be slotted, neith

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-video/qdvdauthor: ChangeLog qdvdauthor-1.0.0.ebuild

2008-03-16 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 22:31 Sun 16 Mar , Stefan Briesenick (sbriesen) wrote: > 1.1 media-video/qdvdauthor/qdvdauthor-1.0.0.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/media-video/qdvdauthor/qdvdauthor-1.0.0.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-im/jabberd2: ChangeLog jabberd2-2.1.23.ebuild

2008-03-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 11:56 Tue 18 Mar , Wolfram Schlich (wschlich) wrote: > 1.1 net-im/jabberd2/jabberd2-2.1.23.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-im/jabberd2/jabberd2-2.1.23.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-im/jabberd2: ChangeLog jabberd2-2.1.23.ebuild

2008-03-18 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 10:36 Tue 18 Mar , Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 11:56 Tue 18 Mar , Wolfram Schlich (wschlich) wrote: > > 1.1 net-im/jabberd2/jabberd2-2.1.23.ebuild > > > > file : > > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-im/jabberd2/jabberd2

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sci-geosciences/grass: grass-6.2.1.ebuild ChangeLog grass-5.4.0.ebuild grass-6.0.1.ebuild grass-6.2.0-r1.ebuild grass-6.2.1-r1.ebuild

2008-03-28 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 02:31 Sat 22 Mar , Steve Arnold (nerdboy) wrote: > 1.1 sci-geosciences/grass/grass-6.2.1-r1.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sci-geosciences/grass/grass-6.2.1-r1.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-ruby/rubygems: ChangeLog rubygems-1.1.0-r0.ebuild

2008-03-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 15:16 Sat 29 Mar , Richard Brown (rbrown) wrote: > 1.1 dev-ruby/rubygems/rubygems-1.1.0-r0.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/dev-ruby/rubygems/rubygems-1.1.0-r0.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/ge

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-devel/gdb: ChangeLog gdb-6.8.ebuild

2008-03-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 16:02 Sat 29 Mar , Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote: > 1.1 sys-devel/gdb/gdb-6.8.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-devel/gdb/gdb-6.8.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-devel/gdb/gdb-

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-video/vdr2jpeg: ChangeLog vdr2jpeg-0.0.12.ebuild vdr2jpeg-0.1.0.ebuild vdr2jpeg-0.0.10-r1.ebuild vdr2jpeg-0.0.10.ebuild vdr2jpeg-0.0.11.ebu

2008-03-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 16:35 Sat 29 Mar , Joerg Bornkessel (hd_brummy) wrote: > 1.1 media-video/vdr2jpeg/vdr2jpeg-0.1.0.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/media-video/vdr2jpeg/vdr2jpeg-0.1.0.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-apps/iproute2: ChangeLog iproute2-2.6.24.20080108.ebuild

2008-03-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 17:26 Sat 29 Mar , Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote: > 1.1 sys-apps/iproute2/iproute2-2.6.24.20080108.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sys-apps/iproute2/iproute2-2.6.24.20080108.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.or

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-editors/leafpad: ChangeLog leafpad-0.8.14.ebuild

2008-03-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 19:37 Sat 29 Mar , Saleem Abdulrasool (compnerd) wrote: > 1.1 app-editors/leafpad/leafpad-0.8.14.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/app-editors/leafpad/leafpad-0.8.14.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-dns/openresolv: ChangeLog openresolv-1.5.ebuild

2008-03-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 21:09 Sat 29 Mar , Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote: > 1.1 net-dns/openresolv/openresolv-1.5.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-dns/openresolv/openresolv-1.5.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gento

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-libs/xyssl: xyssl-0.9.ebuild

2008-03-29 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 23:35 Sat 29 Mar , Lars Weiler (pylon) wrote: > Revision ChangesPath > 1.1 net-libs/xyssl/xyssl-0.9.ebuild > > file : > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/net-libs/xyssl/xyssl-0.9.ebuild?rev=1.1&view=markup > plain: > http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2008-04-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 09:53 Thu 03 Apr , Thomas Anderson wrote: > On 11:35 Thu 03 Apr , Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > > Petteri R??ty wrote: > >>> Recalling previous discussions about work on gentoo and some of the > >>> existing roles, what will you do to AT folks, release members or QA > >>> members

Re: [gentoo-dev] gcc-4.2 / gcc-4.3 plans

2008-04-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 02:57 Thu 10 Apr , Mike Frysinger wrote: > gcc-4.3 seems to be standing up well. since the major gcc-ebuild-specific > issues seem to be resolved now, i'll probably do a sweep of bugs to see if > there's any patches i'm missing (if you guys know of a bug that should be > addressed specif

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2008-04-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 03:03 Wed 09 Apr , Mike Frysinger wrote: > This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly Gentoo Council > meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net. See the > channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC). > > If you're supposed to show up, please s

[gentoo-dev] Council meeting summary for 10 April 2008

2008-04-10 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Hi all, Here is the summary from today's council meeting. The complete log will show up at http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ shortly. Thanks, Donnie Quick summary = GLEP 46 (Allow upstream tags in metadata.xml): Approved Slacker arches: Vapier's proposal is going out tonight.

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