an initramfs will be necessary.
The devs are already discussing moving /bin/* to /usr/bin/* (if I
understood correctly), so this will not last.
And besides, genkernel and dracut are automatized; they *are* the
simple (and proper, IMHO) solution.
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Usual disclaimer; if it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces).
Oh, and obviously the only supported setups are those with /usr in the
same partition as /; or, if /usr is in a separated partition, systems
that use an initramfs to mount it.
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On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
[...]
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366173
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399615
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405703
> https://
. And I don't believe people "who don't want to easily use USB
sticks or digital cameras or gsm dongles or really any modern
hardware" qualify as "the vast majority of people".
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ev. For embedded systems.
The idea that udev "is simply to large" is simply incorrect, I believe.
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s-devel/automake-1.12.1
> [ 1] sys-devel/autoconf-2.68
> [ 1] sys-devel/libtool-2.4-r1
> [ 1] sys-apps/hwids-
> [ 1] sys-fs/udev-init-scripts-
A lot of that is optional. The only hard dependencies are:
>=sys-apps/kmod-5
>=sys-apps/util-linux-2.20
de
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
[snip]
> A lot of that is optional. The only hard dependencies are:
>
>>=sys-apps/kmod-5
>>=sys-apps/util-linux-2.20
> dev-util/gperf
>>=dev-util/intltool-0.40.0
> virtual/pkgconfig
> virtual/os-headers
&
f a happy udev/systemd user (I'm really
happy the merged the two project trees).
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oblem
you encounter will be ignored in their mailing lists/bugzillas.
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ou want to (modern software
should not need it anyhow), and move on. Remember /usr/X11R6? We kept
a /usr/X11R6 -> /usr link for years. Do you miss it?
I surely not. Regards.
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;for decades by bureaucrats who never
question _why_ they're doing things".
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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense
[2] http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html
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n *need* an initramfs. In that case not using an initramfs is
supported by all upstreams.
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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Alec Warner wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> Debian uses initr
serland, it's important to consider
> the difficulties of keeping the packed tools up-to-date; it's not just
> a bootstrap tool, it's also the first recovery option a sysadmin
> faces.
If you keep your initramfs synchronized (which is easily done with
dracut, for example), that problem goes away.
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udev tarball and package only what is necessary of the resulting
build."
Where "package only what is necessary" being the important part for Gentoo.
http://lwn.net/Articles/490413/
Certainly they don't care about source-based distributions like
Gentoo, but they never promised
ssary" has not that
much sense.
Which again leads to the "please, add a virtual/udev" so the people
using systemd don't need to built udev twice.
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don't put OpenRC in the
dependency list of baselayout, otherwise it gets pulled in (and
sysvinit with it) for all systemd users even if we don't use it at
all. I maintain a really small overlay to use systemd exclusively in
Gentoo, so I don't need to install OpenRC and sysvinit:
ht
build system simple, assuming that it would be used only by packagers
for binary distros.
That doesn't say anything about the design of systemd, which is why I
use it; not because of the build system.
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On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:53:34 -0500
> Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> That doesn't say anything about the design of systemd, which is why I
>> use it; not because of the build system.
>
> Actually, it's fair
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Greg Kroah-Hartman: I actually like (and want) a
>> "vertically integrated, tightly coupled way of doing things".
>
> Well,
g
really depends on functionalitty provided by OpenRC.
So let people make their OpenRC+mdev systems without systemd, and let
people make their systemd+udev systems without OpenRC. Everybody wins.
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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Greg KH wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 03:47:19PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>&g
topic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530
Seeing some people comparing udev to XFree86 is one of the more
bizarre things coming out from this fork, and that's saying. However,
I agree with Doug that anyone should code whatever they want to code.
Who knows, maybe something interesting would come off fr
On Feb 4, 2018 12:04, "Matt Turner" wrote:
On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Samuel Bernardo
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I send this email to know the opinion of gentoo developers about
> registering gentoo profiles in the context of reproducible-builds.org
Reproducible builds makes sense when you're distri
about the general case,
starting with their own systems so they can do their jobs. I bet most
of them are on UEFI.
Nobody anywhere is telling you what to do with your systems (nor would
they in the future). The Gentoo devs only are saying that if by having
separated /usr without an initramfs, you risk screwing your system,
and if that happens, you are on you own.
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ause we all know that Gentoo can't boot, let alone send emails, from
> a machine with separate /usr and no initramfs... just like I'm using
> right now.
Nobody said it was not possible; Q said that it was not supported, and
it cannot be because, in the general case (not *YOU* spec
On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Philip Webb wrote:
> 160409 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> You use LILO : that means, you don't use UEFI :
>> that means, almost certainly, you don't use recent hardware.
>
> I've always used Lilo, which is simple + reliable :
>
by directory, and other BS behaviour...
What's wrong with Ctrl-L to open the "Enter location or URL" text
field and pasting the path there?
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d users won't care".
>
> The thread title says it all... normal Gentoo users don't use systemd.
For now.
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I guess the number of unit files is on the order of hundreds,
Full GNOME
as long
> as you haven't configured an INSTALL_MASK to avoid installing them.
> (Why haven't you?)
>
> Are you saying that a few hundred inodes more will break many systems?
>
> It doesn't see
wc
121 1215560
And as you said, you can always use INSTALL_MASK. If 154 files are
going to deplete your inodes, I think your problem lies somewhere
else.
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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
>>> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>>> I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 05/20/2013 10:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
>>> On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 A
a GNOME+systemd user since 2011).
AFAIU, systemd is completely useless if it isn't running as PID 1. In
particular (and the reason systemd is now a hard requirement for
GNOME), logind will not work correctly (if at all) if systemd isn't
PID 1. All the cgroups handling (for one) is non existent (or
completely different) in OpenRC.
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gt; So the answer is: yes, it's quite useful when run with PID!=1. It's
> called systemd user instance (something OpenRC totally can't handle)
> and it can be used to manage user services.
I forgot thtat when I answered, but that requires that systemd is also
running as PID 1.
usly don't even have X). All the "components"
in my use cases (which I confess are really standard) work.
In my experience, if it works in Gentoo with OpenRC, it will work with
systemd (and, IMHO, sometimes better).
The other way around is, obviously as per this whole thread, not true.
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The GNOME developers already made their decision. The GNOME
maintainers in Gentoo followed through (like they have been doing in
almost every other distro). Now it's up to each user to decide if she
keeps using GNOME (and therefore switches, if necessary, to systemd
since 3.8), or if she stops using it.
Arguing about it is quite useless.
Regards from a (very happy, very proudly) GNOME+systemd Gentoo user.
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un without /usr but neither /usr merge work :|
>
> Then, I guess will have to live with this two alternatives more time :/,
> but people running Gnome will need to keep /usr mounted and, then, they
> won't suffer the first problem of place installation.
systemd doesn't support separated /usr without an initramfs, so there
is no problem now that GNOME requires it.
> Also, the extra
> dependencies won't be so "extra" for gnome users, letting them to move
> to systemd ebuild easily
And there is that. Although the only hard (runtime) dependencies of
systemd-206-r3 are:
sys-apps/dbus
sys-apps/util-linux
sys-libs/libcap
sys-apps/baselayout
sys-apps/hwids
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rg/debian-ctte/2014/01/threads.html
[2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/threads.html
[3] http://lwn.net/Articles/584227/#Comments
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the upstream unit file is configured otherwise, shows that
PostgreSQL upstream itself thinks that's a bad idea. No fault on
systemd's part.
Regards.
[1] http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html
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iding the
> systemd unit. The only one I have is the one we've made.
It is included in:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~titanofold/postgresql-initscript-2.6.tbz2
It doesn't says who the author is; but he or she was the one deciding
to wait five minutes (TimeoutSec=300) for the server to stop (a
s
incredible well. And I really like the idea of freeing the rather
precious Gentoo-developers time off of writing init scripts.
Just my 0.02 ${CURRENCY/100}.
> William
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ce 1996, and writing this email in
my laptop running Gentoo with the systemd and GNOME 3 overlays
installed at the same time, and loving how the shape of the future
looks like.
Just my ${CURRENCY/100}.
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urself. And be aware that anyway the devs
will choose to stick with udev (like many have already said), because
they have to think about the general case, not an arbitrary particular
case.
Just the .02 ${CURRENCY} from an old Gentoo user happy with systemd,
dracut, udev, dbus, GNOME 3, and other
mment is true (haven't looked at the code):
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=375263#c23
that trigger has been removed from udev.
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On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> On Thursday 13 October 2011 12:30:06 Arun Raghavan wrote:
>>> While I've seen a lot of whining about this whole issue, I certainly
>>>
d it is thanks (in great part) to udev.
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;ll point them to dracut for creating an initramfs.
>
> Or they can do whatever works for them. People using Exherbo are
> expected to be able to deal with such stuff.
And I believe exherbo recommends systemd as init system.
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On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
>> On 15.10.2011 10:42, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote:
>>> in what way will exherbo deal wih this mess? Are there any plans?
>>
>> We don't s
Hi; I'm trying to make a custom profile, and I need to remove a
package from the system set. Is there a way I can do this without
editing /usr/portage/profiles/base/packages?
Sorry if this is the wrong place for asking such a question.
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Hi; I'm trying to make a custom profile, and I need to remove a
> package from the system set. Is there a way I can do this without
> editing /usr/portage/profiles/base/packages?
I see now that I can copy the whol
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote:
> Canek Peláez Valdés posted on Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:26:22 -0600 as
> excerpted:
>
>> Hi; I'm trying to make a custom profile, and I need to remove a package
>> from the system set. Is there a w
h file for years. At its core, is
basically a cosmetic issue; functions.sh never provided nothing more
than a few shell functions to print pretty messages on the console.
Regards.
[1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/93994/
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