Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in profiles: ChangeLog package.mask

2013-04-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 23 April 2013 11:58, Ryan Hill wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:56:49 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: > > > > I suppose you talked with Michal about this and couldn't reach an > > > agreement, like him joining the fonts herd, or at least the mail alias > > &

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: cartesian product extension to keyword system

2013-04-29 Thread Ben de Groot
On 29 April 2013 15:14, heroxbd wrote: > > Dear all, > > In GLEP22[1], reasonable defaults has been introduced to prevent the > explosion of keywords. With the growth of Gentoo Prefix, however, a > substantial amount of keywords are introduced. Among them, duplex > information exists. For example,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages using -Werror

2013-05-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 May 2013 12:09, Ryan Hill wrote: > Most of the bugs filed on the gcc 4.8 tracker so far have been caused by > packages being built with -Werror. I just noticed one package where the > Makefile was being patched to remove -g from CXXFLAGS but -Werror on the same > line was left in. Just in c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages using -Werror

2013-05-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 May 2013 16:36, Kacper Kowalik wrote: > On 03.05.2013 10:06, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 3 May 2013 12:09, Ryan Hill wrote: >>> Most of the bugs filed on the gcc 4.8 tracker so far have been caused by >>> packages being built with -Werror. I just noticed one pac

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

2013-05-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd > more accessible, while there are problems with submitting bugs about > new systemd units of the sort that maintainers just_dont_answer(tm). > In this case, I am just giving 3 weeks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

2013-05-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 8 May 2013 23:39, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani wrote: >>> It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd >>> more accessible, while there are problems

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

2013-05-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 8 May 2013 23:49, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn > wrote: >> Ben de Groot schrieb: >>> On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani wrote: >>>> It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making sy

Re: [gentoo-dev] devmanual moved to github

2013-05-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 May 2013 21:27, Peter Stuge wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> > The devmanual git repository[1] moved to github[2]. >> >> The only thing that isn't FOSS is github itself. Not sure if >> others feel strongly about it. > > I feel strongly against github. > > Making something like github the pri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

2013-05-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 May 2013 21:41, Fabio Erculiani wrote: > Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're > currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the > features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained > state? openrc-settingsd was the first thing

[gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-25 Thread Ben de Groot
I'm taking this from https://bugs.gentoo.org/412697 to the dev mailing list, since this discussion doesn't really belong on bugzilla. Some background copied from the bug report: (In reply to comment #21) > (In reply to comment #19) > > (In reply to comment #17) > > > (In reply to comment #15) > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 02:13, Markos Chandras wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 05/25/2013 05:14 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> But if a co-maintainer pushes through a change that I oppose, then >> working together becomes quite difficult. In t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 01:00, Pacho Ramos wrote: > We can now have long discussions about upstream decisions, how to handle > devrel problems... but I think it's much more easy: this kind of > "boycott" attitudes should stop in favor of common sense. Common sense would be to recognize that systemd is a b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 00:48, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:36 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> Unless I am mistaken, we did NOT agree anywhere that Gentoo >> maintainers MUST add systemd support when upstream does not ship such >> files. > > We did agree t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reusing systemd unit file format / forking systemd (was: Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697))

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 15:37, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:36 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: > >> Systemd is diametrically opposed to the FreeBSD, customization, >> extreme configurability, and top-notch developer community aspects of >> that. Systemd upstr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 18:04, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >> On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:23:44 +0800 >> Ben de Groot wrote: >>> >>> Where is this policy documented? >> >> Nowhere, I think. I've seen it coming in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-01 Thread Ben de Groot
On 1 July 2013 22:41, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > ### TL; DR ### > > By introducing feature patches which menu options are disabled by > default to genpatches, we can deduplicate *-sources maintainers as well > as large groups of users work. By introducing a distribution section > in the menuconfig, we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: font.eclass add Xorg FontPath elements for non-standard paths

2013-07-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 5 July 2013 06:36, Ryan Hill wrote: > > What you want is the font path element catalog and /etc/X11/fontpath.d (bug > #185264) which I abandoned when I realized that no one actually uses fontpath > anymore, that it caused the startup time to drastically increase with the > number of installed f

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 August 2013 10:38, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Sat, 2013-08-03 at 21:03 -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM, William Hubbs wrote: >> > On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 01:49:46AM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 1:38 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > >> >> OK.

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: Kernel Team vanilla-sources policy

2013-08-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 August 2013 09:56, Alex Xu wrote: > Minor grammar/typographical errata: > > On 04/08/13 12:53 AM, Mike Pagano wrote: >> The Gentoo Kernel Team will no longer be providing stable vanilla-sources >> kernels. All currently stabilized vanilla-sources versions will be dropped >> to ~arch. The Arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 7 August 2013 20:45, Michael Weber wrote: > Greetings, > > Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires > systemd. > > What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this > restriction, enabling all non systemd users to profit from this > eye-candy as wel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Ben de Groot
On 9 August 2013 21:57, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 13:45:25 > Tom Wijsman napisał(a): > >> On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800 >> Patrick Lauer wrote: >> >> > On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> > > On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22 +0800 >> > > Patrick Lauer wrote: >> >

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

2013-08-13 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 August 2013 13:21, heroxbd wrote: > Dear Fellows, > > I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone > and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for > desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release. I would be interested in such a pr

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2/gtk3 use flags

2013-08-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 August 2013 01:12, Michael Weber wrote: > Hello, > > gtk is a global use flag [1], gtk2 and gtk3 are used in metadata.xml [2]. > > Is there a consensus how to use these flags if an app provides gtk2 > and gtk3 gui in parallel or exclusive? > > Michael > > [1] /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc >

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2/gtk3 use flags

2013-08-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 August 2013 07:36, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Le mardi 20 août 2013 à 17:31 +0400, Sergey Popov a écrit : >> 16.08.2013 21:15, hasufell пишет: >> > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420493 >> > >> > gtk2 and gtk3 useflags are discouraged and should only be used in >> > special case

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 August 2013 04:12, Michael Orlitzky wrote: > [snip] > Ok, this one is ridiculous. The stable version of Rails is 2.3.18, and > 3.0 was released almost exactly three years ago. Every time rails-3.x > gets bumped, I have to manually update the entire list above. I need > to do it on an x86 ser

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 August 2013 19:04, Markos Chandras wrote: > Hi, > > It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status. > > I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords > > - s390 > - sh > - ia64 > - alpha > - m68k > - sparc > ++ And consider adding ppc and ppc64 to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets in the tree

2013-08-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 August 2013 23:03, Sergey Popov wrote: > 15.08.2013 12:12, Pacho Ramos пишет: >> El mié, 14-08-2013 a las 15:17 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: >> >> Ah, looks like I was too optimistic and we are (again) with the usual >> blocking (and blocker) issues -_- (PMS refusing to include something

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 August 2013 01:19, Matt Turner wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: >> Is there an alternative? afaik a profile can be either stable,dev or >> exp. I can't see how we can implement something between >> stable and dev. And what would that represent? It may or may

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-22 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 August 2013 18:01, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 22 August 2013 01:19, Matt Turner wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras >>> wrote: >>>> Is there an alternative? afaik a profi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] git.eclass, git-2.eclass... git-r1.eclass?

2013-08-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 August 2013 16:00, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, all. > > I think I'm finally ready to put all the breaking awesomeness that was > waiting for the git eclasses. However, I'm wondering what's the best > way of proceeding with it. > > We've just lately finished the git->git-2 eclass migration.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: sys-kernel/tuxonice-sources up for grabs

2013-09-22 Thread Ben de Groot
On 23 September 2013 08:14, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 21/09/13 08:21 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: >> On 09/21/2013 08:44 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: >>> El sáb, 21-09-2013 a las 14:42 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: I don't have time for

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: converting /etc/mtab to a symlink

2013-10-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 14 October 2013 03:32, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > from what I'm seeing, we should look into converting /etc/mtab to a > symlink to /proc/self/mounts [1]. > > Are there any remaining concerns about doing this? > > If not, it seems like it would be pretty easy to make baselayout create > thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec

2013-11-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 November 2013 17:02, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 03/11/2013 01:45, yac wrote: >> >> Afaik there is no official way to update gentoo, is there? > > It's always been "emerge -avuND world" > >> >> I personally got used to -uaNDv and I don't even know what exactly is >> the difference and it's impl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy-level discussion for minimum versions on dependencies

2013-11-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 8 November 2013 08:55, Rémi Cardona wrote: > Le jeudi 07 novembre 2013 à 10:44 +0100, Alexis Ballier a écrit : >> in short: if a package requires version X then the ebuild should require >> version X; it can be forgotten but it's a bug. > > That _is_ our policy. Since this thread was deemed ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask

2013-11-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 14 November 2013 13:13, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2013-11-14, o godz. 07:49:55 > Patrick Lauer napisał(a): > >> On 11/13/2013 11:02 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: >> >> > It's also worth pointing out that the whole reason why abi_x86_32 is >> > {package.,}use.stable.masked is because trying to m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask

2013-11-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 14 November 2013 20:32, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 14 November 2013 13:13, Michał Górny wrote: >>> >>> And how is it possible to discuss anything properly in Gentoo? >> >> That's because we hav

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask

2013-11-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 14 November 2013 23:12, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >>> I said >> As it is always happy to point out, Council doesn't see itself as >> leadership, just as a supreme court of appeal, when everything else >> se

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please consider removing use.stable.mask and package.use.stable.mask

2013-11-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 November 2013 01:32, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> I was particularly hit by this as maintainer of freetype, see bugs >> 455070 and 459352 for some of the mess that could have been avoided. > > Looks like 455070 was t

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GTK USE flag situation (gtk, gtk2, gtk3; relevant to bug #420493)

2014-02-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 February 2014 07:04, Samuli Suominen wrote: [...] > > It's sad that people don't follow common sense (which happens to be the > GNOME highlights) > and that everything must be turned into a policy of somesort so people > get it. > [...] > > Just make the gnome gtk3 policy the guideline if yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable masks on multilib packages

2014-03-31 Thread Ben de Groot
On 1 April 2014 06:16, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, all. > > The late multilib ppc issues made me re-check our stable masks on > abi_x86_* flags and, honestly, I'm not sure if we're doing things > the right way. > > That said, I have an alternate idea inspired by the ppc breakage. > > Your thought

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable masks on multilib packages

2014-04-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 1 April 2014 21:58, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: > On Tue, 2014-04-01 at 13:13 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 1 April 2014 06:16, Michał Górny wrote: >> > Hello, all. >> > >> > The late multilib ppc issues made me re-check our stable masks on >> >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable masks on multilib packages

2014-04-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 2 April 2014 07:38, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 04/01/2014 01:13 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 1 April 2014 06:16, Michał Górny wrote: >>> Hello, all. >>> >>> The late multilib ppc issues made me re-check our stable masks on >>> abi_x86_* flags and,

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs / looking for new primary maintainers

2014-04-20 Thread Ben de Groot
As my time is limited, and certain issues also drain my motivation, I am stepping down as primary maintainer for the following packages. They are also assigned to a herd, but since these are relatively high maintenance they need a dedicated maintainer. (And fonts herd has been basically inactive fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Banning modification of pkg-config files

2014-05-09 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 May 2014 04:34, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 05/09/2014 09:32 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> On Fri, 9 May 2014 16:15:58 -0400 >> Rich Freeman wrote: >> >>> I think fixing upstream is a no-brainer. >> >> It indeed is, this is the goal; you can force them in multiple ways, >> some of which can be

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category lxqt-base

2014-05-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 May 2014 03:28, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: > Hi all, > > LXQt 0.7.0 has been released [1]. > > As it is project different from LXDE That is debatable. LXQt is released by the merged LXDE and Razor-Qt upstreams. One could say there are simply two expressions of LXDE now: one in GTK+ and one in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Supporting both Qt4 and Qt5 builds

2014-08-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 August 2014 18:51, Georg Rudoy <0xd34df...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm thinking of converting a few ebuilds (x11-libs/qwt, > dev-libs/kqoauth, net-libs/qxmpp among them) to support building with > both Qt4 and Qt5. > > Should this better be done by adding the corresponding useflags (qt4 >

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-x86 tree cleanup for 'DESCRIPTION ends with a '.' character' warnings

2014-08-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 August 2014 02:46, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-08-11, o godz. 20:48:20 > William Hubbs napisał(a): >> > got a minor (but chatty) QA warning: >> > DESCRIPTION ends with a '.' character >> >> Why is this a QA warning in the first place? > > Because it is a common mistake, and having t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 27 September 2014 20:40, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:31:03 +0600 > Vladimir Romanov wrote: >> Em. I don't agree. I prefer Emacs and don't like Vim. But if i must >> choose between Vim and Nano, i prefer Nano > > But vi is POSIX. vi is available through busybox already --

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: razorqt-base/*

2014-11-07 Thread Ben de Groot
# Ben de Groot (7 Nov 2014) # Unmaintained, no longer supported, and starting to throw compilation # errors (bug #513906, bug #528372). Masked for removal in 30 days. # Update to lxqt-base/* packages. razorqt-base/libqtxdg razorqt-base/razorqt-appswitcher razorqt-base/razorqt-autosuspend razorqt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: razorqt-base/*

2014-11-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 8 November 2014 19:15, Jauhien Piatlicki wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Have you read comments on Qt overlay commit? Have you check reverse > dependencies of packages you are masking? razorqt-base/libqtxdg is used by > LXQt. So, please, unmask it. I will move it into lxqt-base category. But > until th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make 'vaapi' USE flag global

2014-11-30 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 November 2014 at 20:20, Sergey Popov wrote: > Packages that uses 'vaapi' local USE-flag: > > media-libs/avidemux-core > media-libs/xine-lib > media-tv/mythtv > media-tv/xbmc > media-video/avidemux > media-video/ffmpeg > media-video/hwdecode-demos > media-video/libav. > media-video/mpv > medi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Keyword amd64 -> x86_64

2008-02-28 Thread Ben de Groot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bernd Steinhauser wrote: |> Though, if for instance amd64-fbsd would be introduced, | Will that happen? (Asking because I might be interested in testing such | a setup.) I would be interested as well, especially if based on FreeBSD-7. | Wouldn't it

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] repo_name/layman-global.txt overlay name mismatches

2009-07-12 Thread Ben de Groot
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > Sebastian Pipping wrote: >> Problem > >> When the name from repo_name and the overlay name in layman-global.txt >> do not match smolt would assume the overlay is secret though it's not >> and not be able to send in stats about it. > > I understand your pr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About time to unify 'cdda' and 'cdaudio' USE flags and make the remaining one global?

2009-07-22 Thread Ben de Groot
Josh Saddler wrote: > Lars Wendler wrote: >> Let's finally move on regarding this topic. As I'm also in favour of >> the "cdda" USE flag I'd like to know if there's any objection against the >> decision to unify/convert the "cdaudio" USE flag into "cdda". >> If there's no good reason against this

[gentoo-dev] Qt3 deprecation

2009-07-26 Thread Ben de Groot
version marked stable (if it isn't already) within the next few months and remove the legacy Qt3-based version, if possible. Thanks, Ben de Groot Gentoo Qt team lead

[gentoo-dev] 2009.0 profiles

2009-08-01 Thread Ben de Groot
We've been living with the 2008.0 profiles for a while now. I think the time has come for 2009.0 profiles so we can have some updates. Also, there are plans for an anniversary release of our LiveCD, so I think the time is right to start working on a new set of profiles. One reason I bring this up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Qt3 deprecation

2009-08-03 Thread Ben de Groot
Doug Goldstein wrote: > MythTV still uses Qt3 and there is NO way that the Qt4 based MythTV > could even remotely be considered stable. It is still undergoing > constantly changing and there are many codepaths that are incomplete. We can re-assess the situation when the time comes, early next year

Re: [gentoo-dev] Qt3 deprecation

2009-08-03 Thread Ben de Groot
Josh Saddler wrote: > Wait a minute. Qt3 is deprecated, but people are still adding new > Qt3-based packages to the tree: > > On the 26th, scarabeus added gerix, as seen on our front page p.g.o feed: > > net-wireless/gerix-0.20 Qt3 Based aircrack GUI > > . . . wtf? Indeed, the developer i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Qt3 deprecation

2009-08-03 Thread Ben de Groot
Jesús Guerrero wrote: > On Tue, July 28, 2009 09:29, Hanno Böck wrote: >> While I fully understand that people want to deprecate "old cruft", I >> assume this is far too early. (just think back how long it took us to >> deprecate gtk+-1) > > I fully agree with this thought. The qt4 world is simply

[gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-10 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi, The qting-edge overlay (the official overlay for the Gentoo Qt team) is a great success as a place to develop new ebuilds, packages, eclasses, to prepare new releases, to maintain bleeding edge stuff like live ebuilds and especially as a training ground for new recruits. I thought it would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-10 Thread Ben de Groot
Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Good idea! > > Out of curiousity: Is a gitorious account a technical must or would an > SSH pubkey do as well? you need a gitorious account for commit access

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-11 Thread Ben de Groot
Thomas Sachau wrote: > Is there a special reason, why we need to split things even more? Why not > invite those devs and > interested users to sunrise? Training ground for interested users is one of > the main goals of our > project. Sunrise has a very different policy (e.g. no packages already

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-11 Thread Ben de Groot
Mark Loeser wrote: > Why can't this be on our official overlays? Is there a technical > reason, because we seem to just be spreading things out even more than > necessary. Because on g.o.g.o. we can not admin it ourselves, resulting in delays and adding to infra's burden. Also, the web interface

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-11 Thread Ben de Groot
Arun Raghavan wrote: > This still does not address the original problem - if > $external_service shuts down, is bought out, has arbitrary terms about > content that are not immediately clear as being unfavourable to us, > (at least) that part of the project which is hosted on is negatively > affect

Re: [gentoo-dev] Multimedia overlay

2009-08-12 Thread Ben de Groot
Arun Raghavan wrote: > 2009/8/12 Ben de Groot : >> As this is a git overlay, it's not a problem. It would be very easy to >> move the public repo to another location. > > Which still does not address concerns about (admittedly paranoid) > concerns about terms o

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-12 Thread Ben de Groot
Jeremy Olexa wrote: > I am suggesting that the new 10.0 profiles be marked as EAPI-2 > compliant. This involves setting the content of the 'eapi' file to "2" > and bumping up the required portage version. YES!! Please. Ben

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Devaway for me, for a whole year period(military service)

2009-08-13 Thread Ben de Groot
Markos Chandras wrote: > Now, it is my time to say goodbye ( but not forever ) . I am *forced* to join > the greek army from 16/8/2009 until May 2010. So I wont be active during this > period. When I come back, I expect a more shiny Gentoo which will provide > great experiences to our users. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

2009-11-04 Thread Ben de Groot
setup is quite similar useless as KDE4 and the KDE3 overlay is simply a > farce. If I use KDE3 only, I do *not* have KDE4 on my machine i.e. those > apps *will* build without problems. You would have better add some build > dependency with installed. You should join the kde-sunset (aka k

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Improve policy of stabilizations

2009-11-04 Thread Ben de Groot
What about ppc64? They are MONTHS behind on stabilization, even for security bugs (see bug 281821 for example). The Qt team feels this is no longer acceptable. We propose that any arch that can't keep up will be demoted to experimental status. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

2009-11-04 Thread Ben de Groot
too developer who is committed to maintain both Qt3 and KDE3, and we feel it is irresponsible to leave those unmaintained in the tree. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

2009-11-04 Thread Ben de Groot
usr/portage/metadata/news/2009-11-02-kde-3/2009-11-02-kde-3.en.txt Which references http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-desktop/msg_a3e260bd0545cb4e763c81bc60f81de2.xml And for Qt3 there is http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_e81a66259e844162ef7f2db2a358d440.xml Cheers, -- Ben de Groot G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/foremost: ChangeLog foremost-1.5.6.ebuild

2009-11-08 Thread Ben de Groot
ur (meaning all of you in this thread) concerns, without demotivating the person who does so much work for Gentoo? Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/foremost: ChangeLog foremost-1.5.6.ebuild

2009-11-08 Thread Ben de Groot
2009/11/8 Mark Loeser : > Ben de Groot said: >> Really, aren't there more constructive ways to communicate your (meaning >> all of you in this thread) concerns, without demotivating the person who >> does so much work for Gentoo? > > If the person doing said work d

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA is unimportant? (was: gentoo-x86 commit in app-forensics/foremost: ChangeLog foremost-1.5.6.ebuild)

2009-11-09 Thread Ben de Groot
If you have concerns, try a friendly approach and ask Patrick to fix them. I'm quite convinced he would be happy to do so. Your offensive approach achieves the opposite. That isn't in the interest of QA either. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

[gentoo-dev] URGENT: exotic arches need Qt 4.5.3 stabilization

2009-11-09 Thread Ben de Groot
ive person. But if there is no other way, maybe the status of such arches should be reconsidered. We especially request ppc64 to be marked as an experimental arch, as it is the worst one lagging in stabilization. See bug 281821 for a poignant example, a 3 months open security bug. Regards, -- Ben de Gr

Re: [gentoo-dev] URGENT: exotic arches need Qt 4.5.3 stabilization

2009-11-09 Thread Ben de Groot
Thank you very much for your work on stabling 4.5.3. Sorry I overdid it bit, I was getting a tad frustrated. I'll try finding the right persons on IRC then, when I notice bugs going unanswered. All we need now is hppa. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, de

Re: [gentoo-desktop] Re: [gentoo-dev] KDE Team meeting November 2009

2009-11-17 Thread Ben de Groot
epo. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: qt4-r2.eclass - new eclass for Qt-based apps

2009-11-29 Thread Ben de Groot
ioning mechanism, this is what we came up with. As soon as existing ebuilds in the tree are ported over to qt4-r2, the old qt4.eclass will be removed. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: qt4-r2.eclass - new eclass for Qt-based apps

2009-11-29 Thread Ben de Groot
2009/11/29 Dawid Węgliński : > On Sunday 29 November 2009 16:59:10 Ben de Groot wrote: >> As soon as existing ebuilds in the tree are ported over to qt4-r2, the old >> qt4.eclass will be removed. >> > As far as i remember we don't remove eclasses. Probably you meant

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grab (some might die)

2009-12-28 Thread Ben de Groot
oser ♥ > x11-themes/gtk-engines-nimbus I'll take app-text/convertlit. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] x11-libs/lib*: wrong RDEPENDs bug

2009-12-28 Thread Ben de Groot
2009/12/28 Doug Goldstein : > Why not provide some actual meat and potatoes here instead of a > useless e-mail with bug numbers and some stupid attempt at humor at > the expense of the x11 herd? That hostility was totally uncalled for. Please try to remain civil. Cheers, -- Ben de Gro

[gentoo-dev] Qt3 deprecation and removal policy

2009-12-30 Thread Ben de Groot
't apply. 1: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_d851e05567d538b662f34de8dfdb7316.xml Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer, Gentoo Qt Project lead __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Qt3 deprecation and removal policy

2009-12-30 Thread Ben de Groot
on it. Qt3support is a Qt4 module and does not depend on qt:3. It is used to make it easier for developers to port Qt3 apps to Qt4. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Qt3 deprecation and removal policy

2009-12-31 Thread Ben de Groot
thing we reasonably can to make sure that Qt4 versions or equivalents of the remaining Qt3 packages in the portage tree are available." I believe we can work things out in the next seven weeks, and otherwise we could reconsider the timeline. But we need short-term goals, otherwise it will take fore

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Qt3 deprecation and removal policy

2009-12-31 Thread Ben de Groot
kept and maintained by the community. All packages depending on qt:3 should be moved to kde-sunset. A bug should be filed for this package, blocking the qt3 removal tracker. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Qt3 deprecation and removal policy

2009-12-31 Thread Ben de Groot
elective package.use.mask. Also, I would like to see a list of packages where this would be a problem. I just filed a new tracker for all packages with qt3 use deps: 299127. Please everyone, file bugs for such packages and let them block this tracker. Thanks, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Farewell, Gentoo.

2010-01-02 Thread Ben de Groot
asure to work with and befriend many wonderful people. Thanks David! It was a pleasure working with you. I wish you all the best. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] base.eclass

2010-01-02 Thread Ben de Groot
instead of [ for tests throughout. It is safer and better coding practice. ( See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/Practices/BashTests ) Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Ben de Groot
nstead of death. What do you think? Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] proxy maintainership and gentoo-x86 scm

2010-01-13 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/13 Mike Frysinger : > On Tuesday 12 January 2010 15:35:45 Ben de Groot wrote: >> 2010/1/12 Markos Chandras : >> > If you feel like it, become a proxy-maintainer and poke a developer to >> > put your ebuilds on tree. Have you ever heard of that ? :) >> >&g

Re: [gentoo-dev] proxy maintainership and gentoo-x86 scm

2010-01-14 Thread Ben de Groot
the remaining issues. Has anyone tested Mercurial to see how it compares, especially with respect to these issues? Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] proxy maintainership and gentoo-x86 scm

2010-01-14 Thread Ben de Groot
ns. I'm not saying we should wait for a move to a DVCS. That is obviously going to take some time still. I think we should do both: promote the proxy-maintenance possibility, and at the same time work on DVCS migration, which will ultimately make such work easier. Cheers, -- Ben de G

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-15 Thread Ben de Groot
I think we have a bigger problem with packages that have a maintainer, at least nominally, but said maintainer does not actually maintain the package anymore. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-15 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/15 Dawid Węgliński : > On Friday 15 January 2010 20:44:43 Alex Legler wrote: >> >   /var/lib/layman >> > >> > do well? >> >> +1 >> > -1, /usr/local/layman? /usr/local/ is a location the system should avoid. Somewhere in /var/ seems to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/16 Sebastian Pipping : > On 01/16/10 02:45, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> if you want to keep all of layman's stuff together, then about your only >> option is to create your own tree at like /var/layman/. > > anybody objecting to /var/layman ? I like that. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] layman storage location (again)

2010-01-16 Thread Ben de Groot
2010/1/16 Peter Volkov : > layman cache is nfs distributable. Also it's good idea to have it close > to PORTDIR. Thus I'd like to keep it somewhere at /usr. I'd like both to be under /var/ Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] LibGL.la removal news item for =eselect-opengl-1.1.1-r2 going stable

2010-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
er and run it in pkg_postinst. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
ommit a fix? Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

[gentoo-dev] Moving IRC provider

2010-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
ontinue to accept the failures of Freenode? And more importantly, what needs to happen for us to finally move to OFTC (or another network if that is preferred)? Thoroughly annoyed, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

Re: [gentoo-dev] emerge -C eselect-python disaster

2010-01-24 Thread Ben de Groot
thout the hard dependencies it requires. So both portage and python should be in the system set. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) __

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