Re: [gentoo-dev] Help offered - Portage tree

2008-03-13 Thread Ben de Groot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fabio Erculiani wrote: | [02:31] lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your | distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way. | | ^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even | realize how many user

[gentoo-dev] Why no updates on delay of 2008.0 release

2008-03-22 Thread Ben de Groot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I thought we had learnt something about not communicating with our userbase, but it looks like this lesson has already been forgotten. While I appreciate there probably are valid reasons for the delay of the beta and the release of 2008.0, I don't thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Why no updates on delay of 2008.0 release

2008-03-23 Thread Ben de Groot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Freeman wrote: |>> ... I don't think there is any excuse not to update the published |>> release schedule,... | | | |> the update is simple: the untimely and quite unexpected surgical |> "complication" resulting in the death of my mother has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: Make developer profiles more difficult to select

2008-07-19 Thread Ben de Groot
Jeremy Olexa wrote: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> Some kind of warning or other mechanism that does selecting this >> profile without knowing what you're doing would be a good idea. > > This isn't enough? > > %% grep KNOW * > make.defaults:I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING="yes" > > ;) > > Nobody ever re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-05 Thread Ben de Groot
presence of forcefully retired devs It really baffles me that some developers are forcefully retired for anti-social behavior, but are not consequently banned from the places where they display this behavior, such as our MLs and IRC channels. What good is it to retire developers, but allow them to continue to be disruptive? I would like the Council to decide for a change in our policy on this point. Regards, Ben de Groot signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-05 Thread Ben de Groot
Alexis Ballier wrote: > Somehow I read the sentence differently: it seems pointless to ban > competent people for so-called anti-social behavior from easily > pushing technical contributions and still let them contribute to other > communication medias where such an anti-social behavior is much mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking of qt 4.4?

2008-08-11 Thread Ben de Groot
Hanno Böck wrote: > So question, what are the showstoppers for qt 4.4? And more general comment, > especially on important packages that many people rely on, please provide > more informative comments in package mask, e.g. bug numbers. Bug numbers should indeed have been provided. The tracker bu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-14 Thread Ben de Groot
David Leverton wrote: > 2008/8/14 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Why aren't fired developers banned from the channels where they >>> displayed this behavior? > > Isn't this one effectively withdrawn? I asked yngwin which devs he > was referring to, and he said there weren't any, so is t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: media-fonts/droid licensing: should fonts include Apache license in tarball?

2008-08-28 Thread Ben de Groot
Ryan Hill wrote: > On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:25:42 +0400 > Peter Volkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> There are droid fonts package in the tree. Author states that they are >> apache licensed [1] (supposedly similar to google's android sdk) but >> license itself is not included in the

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] LXDE project

2008-08-31 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi everyone, I recently got interested in LXDE[1], the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, and I would like to see this available in portage. At the moment there are, to my knowledge, 3 overlays maintained by users that include ebuilds for lxde. I think it is time to combine efforts and get these

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ability to pass arguments to src_configure/src_compile

2008-09-06 Thread Ben de Groot
Alec Warner wrote: > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Thomas Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >>Currently we have a lot of: >>src_configure() { >>econf $(use_enable dvdr) \ >>$(use_with ipv6 ssl) \ >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: addition of virtual/fonts package

2008-09-23 Thread Ben de Groot
ts. But if that is the case, we should make separate virtuals for those. I think it would be best to add the more common font packages to the fonts virtual, and not all. I'd propose something along the lines of: || ( dejavu liberation-fonts ttf-bitstream-vera corefonts ) -- Ben de Groot Gen

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] BugDay - Saturday 4th October

2008-09-27 Thread Ben de Groot
rn to. Thanks, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (lxde, media, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.liveforge.org/ irc://chat.freenode.net/#gentoo-media irc://irc.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Usage of econf with an additional || die

2008-09-30 Thread Ben de Groot
others do the same. People use our tree to learn how > to write ebuilds, so it's good idea to have consistent syntax in our > ebuilds... > So, can we have a nice little table of which functions die by themselves and which ones need || die added in ebuilds? Please? Thanks, -- Ben de Gr

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 in GLEP56 use flags?

2008-10-01 Thread Ben de Groot
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 08:13:14PM +0000, Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote: >> Index: metadata.xml >> === > ... >> + >> + Enable x11-libs/qt-webkit support, for more >&

[gentoo-dev] RFC: Adding lxde-base category

2008-11-01 Thread Ben de Groot
default WM, and x11-misc/pcmanfm as default filemanager, although these can be easily swapped for others. Comments are welcome! 1: http://lxde.org/ 2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/157989 3: http://www.bitbucket.org/yngwin/lxde-overlay/src/ -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (lxde, media, desktop

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Adding lxde-base category

2008-11-07 Thread Ben de Groot
Josh Saddler wrote: > Ben de Groot wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I would like to add a new category to the tree: lxde-base, to be used >> for the LXDE desktop [1,2] packages, in correspondence to the categories >> for the other desktop environments we have (gnome, kd

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Saving package emerge output (einfo, elog, ewarn, etc.) somewhere official

2008-11-30 Thread Ben de Groot
pinion, add a big fat warning towards the end of the installation part, that there is extremely useful information to be found in the other parts of the Handbook. Maybe we could especially mention some of the more useful topics, and the elog system would be one of them. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: what happened to /etc/init.d/hal{d,daemon,whatever} script ?

2008-12-29 Thread Ben de Groot
ion to the rule. I'm not aware of any other exceptions, but I can't be sure unless I go digging through the source. Which really should not be necessary, in my opinion. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (lxde, media, qt, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Should unicode be allowed in ebuild metadata variables?

2008-12-29 Thread Ben de Groot
r does anybody think that we >> should allow UTF-8 unicode? > > Nevermind, apparently GLEP 31 already requires ASCII anyway: > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0031.html > The way I read that GLEP is that in ChangeLog and metadata.xml we should accept the full rang

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: reorganization of /var/lib gentoo-related files

2008-12-31 Thread Ben de Groot
pers. Looks like it would be too much effort for so little gain. But in the end it is bikeshedding, and I don't really care. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (lxde, media, qt, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison ___

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLI Officially Deprecated

2009-01-14 Thread Ben de Groot
0-r1 >> LiveCDs for x86 and amd64, though we expect it to work for >> those that use it. [...] > > Why wasn't this sent to gentoo-dev-announce? Also, will we have an announcement on the www.gentoo.org frontpage? This seems to me an important enough issue to inform our u

Re: [gentoo-dev] PR Project Activity Issues

2009-01-26 Thread Ben de Groot
t's see how we can speed things up and spread the load. Having more people join the PR team would be a logical step, in my opinion. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (lxde, media, qt, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison ___

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: qt4.eclass

2009-03-14 Thread Ben de Groot
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 15:31 Sat 14 Mar , Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote: >> yngwin 09/03/14 15:31:28 >> >> Modified: qt4.eclass >> Log: >> Update qt4.eclass > > comet $ cvs diff -r1.50 -r1.51 qt4

Re: [gentoo-dev] timezone and other moving rc variables.

2009-03-15 Thread Ben de Groot
As per http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml under the "Clock" heading. I know, reading documentation is an acquired taste... ;-) -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (lxde, media, qt, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Small change: Global USE flag nsplugin

2009-03-30 Thread Ben de Groot
or the global one and > eliminate the first? I am against. nsplugin is for any browser that implements the old netscape plugin protocol. This is not just for Mozilla-based ones, but also for others, such as KHTML and WebKit based ones. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (lxde, media,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdrdao: ChangeLog cdrdao-1.2.2-r3.ebuild

2009-05-10 Thread Ben de Groot
Thilo Bangert wrote: >> Welcome to Gentoo. > > nice attitude... > i am sure that'll make the problem go away :-( > What do you expect? He's an exherbo dev, only here to criticize Gentoo and gloat over its perceived failings. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux develop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdrdao: ChangeLog cdrdao-1.2.2-r3.ebuild

2009-05-10 Thread Ben de Groot
David Leverton wrote: > It's pretty hilarious that you think you know anything about me. > Just your activity on Gentoo channels (IRC, ML, etc), which is what my assessment is based on. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Li

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdrdao: ChangeLog cdrdao-1.2.2-r3.ebuild

2009-05-10 Thread Ben de Groot
David Leverton wrote: > On Sunday 10 May 2009 14:02:57 Ben de Groot wrote: >> Just your activity on Gentoo channels (IRC, ML, etc), which is what my >> assessment is based on. > > Nothing I've ever done anywhere, in Gentoo channels or elsewhere, in any way > i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdrdao: ChangeLog cdrdao-1.2.2-r3.ebuild

2009-05-10 Thread Ben de Groot
Thilo Bangert wrote: > Ben de Groot said: > and what exactly are _you_ contributing? > i was trying to point out, that somebody was rather unhelpful, and all you > can come up with is being unhelpful? we can do better than that! I thought I was helpful in pointing out that certain p

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-14 Thread Ben de Groot
he problem has been insufficiently clarified. We should not waste more time on it. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread Ben de Groot
s can be used is, well, strange and unintuitive. Except that we aren't talking about strange and unintuitive. All we are saying is basically documenting current usage: put a line with EAPI= near the top. That's very straighforward and intuitive. Plus, it works. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-16 Thread Ben de Groot
s it's worth their time. But I disagree on the maintainer-wanted thread. It's not that important an issue. We have Sunrise already, so let's try to improve that. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI="3" ebuilds

2009-05-17 Thread Ben de Groot
two reasons. >> >> First, this is a global scope change > > Why do you think that it is a global scope change? Because he wants to push GLEP 55. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Yet another proposal for ebuild extensions

2009-05-17 Thread Ben de Groot
tible ebuild formats, > and it would probably be cleaner overall, while giving people the > freedom to experiment with whatever wild ideas they have for packages. Ebuilds work well enough for us. I don't think there's a real need for other formats. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI="3" ebuilds

2009-05-17 Thread Ben de Groot
Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: > 2009/5/17 Ben de Groot : >> Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >>> 2009-05-17 18:37:32 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): >>>> On Sun, 17 May 2009 18:20:21 +0200 >>>> Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >>>&

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: "scm" in GLEP 54

2009-05-17 Thread Ben de Groot
hy"), and it seems to carry the spirit of what we mean by these > kinds > of ebuilds. Also, there is a new in-ebuild property with the signifier > "live". Personally I think there is humor in the scum (as I pronounce it). But seriously, I think live makes sense, and wo

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 updated

2009-05-17 Thread Ben de Groot
variable is defined in the ebuild. > > I would argue that most people who are be exposed to repositories that > do not carry a metadata cache (overlays) which use new EAPIs also keep > their portage version current. I'd say go with option (4) now and by > the time EAP

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 updated

2009-05-17 Thread Ben de Groot
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 17 May 2009 23:17:57 +0200 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> 1. "Incompatible change of inherit (e.g. make it look in the package >> dir too)" >> A case would need to be made, in my opinion, as to why we would wish >> to allow this

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-24 Thread Ben de Groot
ially for use in /etc/portage, to be able to mask/unmask a version from a specific overlay. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] better support for binary packages

2009-05-25 Thread Ben de Groot
is that it doesn't work nice with portage. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] better support for binary packages

2009-05-25 Thread Ben de Groot
lx...@sabayonlinux.org wrote: > > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> lx...@sabayonlinux.org wrote: >>> This is what I am doing in Sabayon, creating a new layer over Portage => >>> Entropy. I'm almost done, just need to work out som

Re: [gentoo-dev] better support for binary packages

2009-05-25 Thread Ben de Groot
d >>>>> apidocs. >>>>> http://gitweb.sabayon.org/?p=entropy.git;a=summary > Next time, please post Sabayon specific stuff on our ML/com. channels. Sure, so let's keep entropy out of the discussion. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC:sys-apps/portage @overlay atoms postfix support

2009-05-25 Thread Ben de Groot
uld simply start to use the repo_name as identifier. That should result in less confusion, I'd think. Overlays that miss the repo_name file are broken and should be fixed, and should be ignored until they are. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: better support for binary packages

2009-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
ge you would be able to "sell" to the current developers anyway. That said, there could very well be a Gentoo project, or people contributing to portage development, to try and improve binary package support. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: better support for binary packages

2009-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
I was initially led to believe, and I'll give the entropy approach the benefit of the doubt. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] packages up for grabs

2009-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
Raúl Porcel wrote: > Since i don't have too much time nor motivation to fix packages(i prefer > doing arch work), i'm asking someone to take the following packages, i'm > dumping them to net-p2p atm, but its just Betelgeuse and me, so feel > free to maintain them. > > net-p2p/deluge > net-p2p/qbit

Re: [gentoo-dev] Please use "eselect news" items!

2009-06-26 Thread Ben de Groot
AllenJB wrote: > As a user, I'd like to encourage developers to make use of news items > (eselect news) for important changes. > 2 recent changes I would suggest having news items for are the libpcre > .la files issue, because it often doesn't get noticed until later when > builds fail, and the m

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections

2009-06-26 Thread Ben de Groot
Wulf C. Krueger wrote: > I think it would be in the best interest of both Exherbo and Gentoo to elect > [...] to the Gentoo Council. I would think the only thing that matters is the best interest of Gentoo. This is after all the _Gentoo_ Council we're speaking of, not a body that is concerned wit

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan wrote: > On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH wrote: >> So, anyone been thinking about this?  I have, and it's not pretty. >> >> Minor details like, "do we have a 'company' that can pay Microsoft to >> sign our bootloader?" is one aspect from the non-technical side

[gentoo-dev] RFC: new global useflag libass

2012-06-14 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi, As per the discussion in bug #328245, we would like to propose a new global useflag, to replace both ass and libass local useflags currently in media-video/{ffmpeg,mplayer,mplayer2,vlc}. The proposed description is the one already used in mplayer{,2}: libass = SRT/SSA/ASS (SubRip / SubStatio

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 June 2012 13:24, Arun Raghavan wrote: > On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan wrote: >>> On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH wrote: >>>> So, anyone been thinking about this?  I have, and it's not pretty. >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 June 2012 15:58, Richard Farina wrote: > On 06/15/2012 03:12 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 15 June 2012 13:24, Arun Raghavan wrote: >>> On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot wrote: >>>> On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan wrote: >>>>> On

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new global useflag libass

2012-06-16 Thread Ben de Groot
Committed: yngwin * gentoo-x86/profiles/ (ChangeLog use.desc): Add libass global useflag -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in x11-misc/lightdm: lightdm-1.2.2-r2.ebuild ChangeLog

2012-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 June 2012 15:39, Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 06/21/2012 10:37 AM, Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote: >> >> yngwin      12/06/21 07:37:15 >> >>   Modified:             lightdm-1.2.2-r2.ebuild ChangeLog >>   Log: >>   Re-tidy. Restore glib slot. Drop unnec

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 June 2012 05:33, Alec Warner wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Richard Yao wrote: >> Here is my wishlist for EAPI 5: [...] >> POSIX Shell compliance >>        There has been a great deal of work done to give the user full control >> of what is on his system and there is more that w

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 June 2012 08:38, Richard Yao wrote: > Would you (or someone else) elaborate on the specific features of bash > that people find attractive? For me, it is mostly [[ ]] tests, arrays and brace expansion. The += operator is also very nice to have. -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk3 useflag and support of older toolkits

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 23 June 2012 22:45, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Le samedi 23 juin 2012 à 14:40 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit : >> >> I'd like to know why using USE flags until a nicer solution is >> available is sufficiently terrible that it warrants a hackaround. > > remember qt3/qt4, gtk/gtk2. We want to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 02:32, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 23 June 2012 13:37:59 Michael Palimaka wrote: >> +for x in ${LANGS}; do >> +       IUSE+=" linguas_${x}" >> +done > > if you don't want to make it into an array: > IUSE+=" $(printf 'linguas_%s ' ${LANGS})" > -mike What's wrong with the or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 01:57, Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:37:59 +1000 > Michael Palimaka wrote: > >> --- cmake-utils.eclass >> +++ cmake-utils.eclass >> @@ -20,0 +21,29 @@ >> +# @ECLASS-VARIABLE: LANGS > > Please prefix. > >> +# @DEFAULT_UNSET >> +# @DESCRIPTION: >> +# In case your appl

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 06:50, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: > Le samedi 23 juin 2012 à 18:30 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit : >> >> It treats -r300 as being newer than -r200, and so will treat "the gtk3 >> version" or "the jruby version" as being newer versions of "the gtk2 >> version" or "the ruby 1.8 ve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Patch: Linguas USE support for cmake-utils.eclass

2012-06-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 June 2012 21:56, Michael Palimaka wrote: > On 2012-06-24 18:34, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> We at qt@ have been discussing this on and off. We would like to >> see a linguas.eclass happen, because already now we start having >> code duplication. So instead of this

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 June 2012 13:03, Matt Turner wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Michał Górny wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:45:46 +0100 >> Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:43:10 +0200 >>> Pacho Ramos wrote: >>> > > It treats -r300 as being newer than -r200, and so will treat

[gentoo-dev] Lastrite app-laptop/lenovo-sl-laptop

2012-07-03 Thread Ben de Groot
# Ben de Groot (3 Jul 2012) # Dead upstream. Doesn't compile with current kernels. # Removal in 30 days. app-laptop/lenovo-sl-laptop -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 July 2012 09:41, Zac Medico wrote: > On 07/09/2012 06:11 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> So, seems like there is still room for improvement... > > Aside from the obvious need to improve the portage behavior, we might > also want to consider enabling USE=icu by default in the profile. Enabling ic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 July 2012 11:03, Rich Freeman wrote: > Yup, this issue hit anybody who has qt-webkit and chromium installed. > > I wouldn't be surprised if that is half of the entire userbase. I would be. > We ran into another confusing icu-related issue with qt-core a few > weeks ago (bug 413541). I can

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: old udev versions

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 July 2012 02:30, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > the last thread started by mgorny has prompted me to ask here on the > list which versions of udev we really need in the tree. Personally, I'm holding on to 171. I have masked >=181 because of bad decisions upstream and I want to see how the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/libudev

2012-07-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 11 July 2012 03:23, Thomas Sachau wrote: > Michał Górny schrieb: >> Hello, all. >> >> Since nowadays udev is bundled within systemd, we start having two >> libudev providers: >=sys-apps/systemd-185 and sys-fs/udev. Making >> the long story short, I would like to introduce a virtual for libudev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 06:51, Zac Medico wrote: > > Here's another related bug report, specifically about the solving the > libxml2/qt-webkit/chromium conflict: > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=426222 > > -- Actually, there is another workable solution, and that is to set USE="-gstreamer -i

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: udev-rules.eclass

2012-07-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 07:42, William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:57:42PM +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: >> Il 11/07/2012 21:11, William Hubbs ha scritto: >> > I am about to release udev-186-r1, which will move everything currently >> > in /lib/udev to /usr/lib/udev. >> >> Unless you're g

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 17:52, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> Actually, there is another workable solution, and that is to set >> USE="-gstreamer -icu" for qt-webkit. >> >> Currently we enable gstreamer by default in t

[gentoo-dev] RFC: using array variables in qt4-r2.eclass

2012-07-13 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi, We'd like to start using array variables for DOCS and HTML_DOCS in qt4-r2.eclass, as they are already more widely used in other eclasses. Please check the attached diff and let us know what you think. Thanks on behalf of the Qt team! -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt projec

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 04:46, Peter Stuge wrote: > Markos Chandras wrote: >> understand that quizzes is not an ideal way to "hire" people >> either, but they worked ok for all these years > > I don't know.. Subjectively I don't think they work ok at all, since > I still haven't finished them even after m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 21:27, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Ciaran McCreesh > wrote: >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:15:26 +0800 >> Ben de Groot wrote: >>> The first time I did the quizzes, it took me 9 months. After having >>> been away for a cou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Recruitment process is moving back to quizzes

2012-07-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 July 2012 21:50, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:45:25 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> It's not that it takes all that much time. It can be done in say one >> or two workdays. But you need to set aside a block of time (and >> usually two, one for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Output / End User Experience

2012-07-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 July 2012 21:51, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 12/07/12 07:41 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 12 July 2012 17:52, Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Ben de Groot >>> wrote: >

[gentoo-dev] RFC: l10n.eclass

2012-07-18 Thread Ben de Groot
Today I would like to present to you my proposal for a new eclass with helper functions for treating localizations: l10n.eclass (see the attached file or [1]). Its functionality can be used in other eclasses (such as qt4-r2 and cmake-utils) as well as directly in ebuilds. In order to keep the code

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: l10n.eclass

2012-07-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 July 2012 21:14, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: > > I assume the P in PLOCALS stands for package. Not that obvious if you > ask me. L10N_LOCALS would at least tell me which eclass this variable > belongs to. Yes, as P is widely used to refer to the package. I wanted something to reflect that these

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: l10n.eclass

2012-07-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 July 2012 15:33, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:37:32 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: > >> I got a few more suggestions on IRC, and I have updated the eclass >> accordingly. Please check the attached new version, also available at >> https://gitor

[gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 July 2012 08:07, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi. > > I propose to commit this news item in 2 or 3 days. Does anyone have > any comments about it? > The idea is to show this news item on all Gentoo systems. Is that even > possible /

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: news item: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-07-24 Thread Ben de Groot
On 25 July 2012 02:52, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: > While I completely understand where Fabian is coming from on all this I > respectfully disagree. Long term gentoo users do NOT read the handbook, > ever. I still install new systems with odd hacks that I picked up when > gentoo was version

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 July 2012 06:28, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Sascha Cunz wrote: > >> Is there a reason for not using at least en_US.UTF-8 as a "sane" >> default value? > > Because there's no one-size-fits-all locale, but it is specific to > every system so the user must configure it?

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 27 July 2012 16:06, Dan Douglas wrote: > On Friday, July 27, 2012 09:08:36 AM Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> >>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> > I understand why the council rejected Debian's C.UTF-8 option, >> >

[gentoo-dev] Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi! We are getting nearer to a Qt5 beta release. Although it has already been postponed a couple of times, we should expect it some time this summer. This means we will start to see packages offering Qt5 support. Pesa has already done a terrific job preparing live ebuilds and eclasses for buildin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 July 2012 13:59, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 28/07/12 08:22, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> In preparation for that, we want to ask maintainers of all ebuilds in >> the tree with dependencies on Qt4, to make sure that they have the >> proper slot. Otherwise your pa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Fwd: Heads up for Qt5

2012-07-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 July 2012 15:43, Ralph Sennhauser wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:27:49 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: > >> On 28 July 2012 13:59, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> > On 28/07/12 08:22, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> >> >> In preparation for that, we wan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Any official position from Gentoo about systemd, mdev and udev-static ?

2012-08-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 29 August 2012 01:36, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 08/28/2012 05:35 PM, Sylvain Alain wrote: >> Hi everyone, I don't want to start a flamewar on that subject, but I would >> like to know if there's any official position about the current situation. > > udev might or might not eventually get forked

Re: [gentoo-dev] adns & ares USE flags

2012-08-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 August 2012 05:11, Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > $ quse -D adns ares > global:adns: Adds support for the adns DNS client library > local:ares:dev-libs/ecore: Enables support for asynchronous DNS using the > net-dns/c-ares library > local:ares:net-analyzer/wireshark: Use GNU net-dns/c-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: News item 1: changes to stages (make.conf and make.profile)

2012-09-11 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 September 2012 08:02, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Gentoo's bash-completion breaks when make.conf is in /etc/portage. Bug > filed back in early July and there's a simple enough patch, but > app-shells/gentoo-bashcomp has only the shell-tools herd, no dedicated > maintainer, and 13

Re: [gentoo-dev] About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 September 2012 09:43, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:53:20 +0200 > Pacho Ramos wrote: > >> > You can un-CC yourself. I don't see why security@ should be doing >> > the legwork. >> >> It shouldn't be so hard to do, they can do it just when they CC >> arches, instead of relayi

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI5: require ebuilds/eclasses to not use any vars/funcs prefixed with __

2012-09-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 September 2012 04:36, Brian Harring wrote: > Hola folks. > > Currently portage exposes a fair amount of it's internal > implementation via vars/funcs into the ebulid env; this frankly makes > it easier for ebuilds/eclasses to localize themselves to portage > (rather than PMS), leading to bre

[gentoo-dev] Lastrites for qt4.eclass

2012-09-13 Thread Ben de Groot
Since the last ebuild using the old qt4.eclass has now been removed from the tree, the Qt team wishes to lastrite this eclass. It will be removed in 30 days. All ebuilds should be using qt4-r2.eclass instead. -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin

Re: [gentoo-dev] example conversion of gentoo-x86 current deps to unified dependencies

2012-09-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 16 September 2012 09:20, Brian Harring wrote: > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:03:36AM +0200, Micha?? G??rny wrote: >> On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:33:18 -0700 >> Brian Harring wrote: >> > To demonstrate the gain of this, we basically take the existing >> > tree's deps, and re-render it into a unified D

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-mi

2012-09-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge wrote: > Pacho Ramos wrote: >> # Pacho Ramos (16 Sep 2012) >> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again >> # now with gnutls-3 (#421385). Removal in a month. >> net-im/jabberd > > What about the 1.4 version? It depends on openssl, so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-libs/gmyth, media-plugins/gst-plugins-mythtv, net-libs/libmonetra, dev-php/pecl-mcve, dev-vcs/svk, net-im/jabberd, net-p2p/sancho-bin, media-sound/xfi-drivers, app-mi

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 13:56, Peter Stuge wrote: > Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 16 September 2012 23:40, Peter Stuge wrote: >> > Pacho Ramos wrote: >> >> # Pacho Ramos (16 Sep 2012) >> >> # Upstream keeps inactive for ages and, then, it has broke again >&

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 18:55, Alex Alexander wrote: > On Sep 17, 2012 6:13 AM, "Brian Harring" wrote: >> >> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 07:32:39PM +0300, Alex Alexander wrote: >> >On Sep 16, 2012 4:55 PM, "Brian Harring" <[1]ferri...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Folks- >> >> >> >

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 20:41, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:49:12 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> Or, even easier and more straightforward: just keep using *DEPEND. The >> case hasn't been made yet why we need to change that in the first >> place. &

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 21:58, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:48:07 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 17 September 2012 20:41, Ciaran McCreesh >> wrote: >> > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:49:12 +0800 >> > Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> Or,

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 September 2012 22:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:11:59 +0800 > Ben de Groot wrote: >> > And even now, people are using COMMON_DEPEND to work around *DEPEND >> > duplication. >> >> Yes, and that works just fine. I don't see what&

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: gentoo sync based unified deps proposal

2012-09-18 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 September 2012 03:18, Alec Warner wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> Readability is more important, and there I still don't buy the >> argument that the new syntax is better, and that any gain would >> outweigh the cost of changing. After all, the existing v

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