Mike Frysinger wrote:
as avenj pointed out, current 'mission statement' of devrel says that they
handle the issue of actually revoking a dev's access
I thought this was written somewhere too, but I can't seem to find it
anywhere. Do you know where it says this?
It certainly says they're resp
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| Technically it does support it if said developer gets Infra to move it
| server side some nasty side effects, etc, but lots better than our
| current situation where some bright spark removed most if not all
| history o
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| On Fri, 2005-09-23 at 00:37 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote:
|>So, how do you treat icc? It requires a license key, but you can get the
|>key for free after registering. The package does not cost money and does
|>not work out of
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| Now let's do the same for xorg-x11,
Ha, good luck trying to pass standard configure options into imake.
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| I see, but how about defining ForceNormalLib as NO in host.def?
Yes, that is the way to do it, and I actually have xorg doing this
already on USE=minimal. But at this point, monolithic xorg-x11 is in
security mode -- it's not ge
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| Nope. There's no interest in LSB compliance. LSB isn't a real standard,
| it's some nonsense dreamed up so that companies like Sun can claim that
| they are "Linux compliant" (meaning "behaves like RedHat").
Of course you'll
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| Removing the QA check while the QA problem still exists is, in my
mind, just
| plain ludicrous. Removing the QA check once the QA problem is fixed
doesn't
| make much sense to me either. However, adjusting the check where
necessa
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| On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 19:12 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote:
|>Which leads me to the one thing I didn't say but feel strongest
about.. What
|>is the real point of USE_EXPAND? What can/does it do that USE flags do
not?
|
|
| As far
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| Ok, for those who don't remember...
|
| In the good old days, syslog-ng was the default. Then, for one of the
| releases, the x86 team accidentally included metalog instead of
| syslog-ng on the distfiles CD, so the default wa
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| Re: it being a temporary change that should be undone, it's been
| around long enough I won't call it 'temporary' at this point.
Oh, so if we screwed up a year ago, we shouldn't fix it. If you won't
call that temporary, I won't
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| What are the exact reasons for not wanting to put the expanded flags
directly
| into IUSE? If it's just a matter of the horrid display existing tools
would
| give, the functionality can go in and IUSE updated after the functional
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| On Wednesday 28 September 2005 13:19, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
| IUSE="baz bop"
| iuse_expand VIDEO_CARDS foo bar
This has the ring of hack to me, if it's something to be used in ebuilds.
|>In addition, it save
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| My ultimate goals is to generate ebuilds for eGroupWare and/or zimbra (I
| want a groupware solution for my home system and I like the look and
| feel/features that these offer).
Um, egroupware is already in portage.
Thanks,
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| I'm curious why --as-needed is disabled for glibc builds. It was first
| added over a year ago in one of the early 2.3.4 builds so is it still
| nessecary?
I think it had something to do with breaking binutils 2.15.90 or
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| Um, sort of? The council exists mainly to make cross-project decisions.
| I suppose that this issue counts, since it involves both the baselayout
| folks and the GDP, but the GDP doesn't really care which logger is
| installed
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The first release candidate was announced roughly 12 hours ago. And
fitting the Gentoo you know as up to the minute, so far beyond the
bleeding edge that it's wearing a Band-Aid before it starts to bleed,
comes the complete package in Portage -- all 2
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| KDE doesn't have any special requirements. It doesn't use any kind of X11
| build tool (what is there other than imake?). It does use some X apps
like
| xmessage, xset etc. After you commit your metaebuilds we'll update the
deps
| a
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| On Thursday 20 October 2005 09:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
|
|>Metabuilds should be forthcoming shortly. I'd appreciate input on
|>http://dev.gentoo.org/~spyderous/xorg-x11/metabuilds.txt and in
|>particular from peopl
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| On Thursday 20 October 2005 17:28, Luca Barbato wrote:
|>a useflag could solve the issue as well a all inclusive metaebuild for X.
|
| To solve this issue it would have to be an on-by-default flag, i.e.
| 'noxserver'. I know some pe
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| On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:37, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
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|>I'd prefer that people don't come to depend on metabuilds at all.
|
| OK, we can do this.
|
|
|>See
|>http://dev.gentoo.org/
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| On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:43, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
|>Or, you could just activate it in the base profile.
|
| True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE flags
this
| way? Or is the (remaining)
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| On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:25, Dan Armak wrote:
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|>True. I forget - why can't we solve the problem of all nofoo USE flags
this
|>way? Or is the (remaining) problem only with local flags?
|
| Too many people usin
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| On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:42, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
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|>I think you're missing the context. He's saying we solve the nofoo
|>problem by adding foo to profiles instead, not by adding
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| Your mua or some gateway has inserted really ugly linebreaks in the
text you
| quoted. I tried to make it prettier.
|
| On Thursday 20 October 2005 21:17, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
|>Selected arbitrarily by the x11 team based
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| On Thu, 2005-10-20 at 12:17 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
|>Selected arbitrarily by the x11 team based on requirement, common use
|>and prettiness factor. Probably font-misc-misc, font-bh-ttf,
|>font-adobe-utopia-
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Spider (D.m.D. Lj.) wrote:
| If your package, libFoo, installs .h files that directly require header
| files from libBar, then you have a Runtime dependency on libBar, not
| only a compile time dependency
|
|
| Why? Because libFoo should be usable
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| Why? Because they just install the hard RDEPEND, so if you have a system
| installed from binaries, you get working linking, but nothing will
| compile for the system.
Right, until you actually install the build-time deps
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| On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:37:03 -0700 Donnie Berkholz
| <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| | Now, the other side of the story. It's not true runtime dependence
| | because it's not required for programs to run, only
Grant Goodyear wrote:
At the same time, I'm suppose that including header files by default is
not such a good thing for the embedded folks.
Exactly. And hacking around that with some USE flags for embedded just
says, to me, that we can't make a decision: we'll enforce this "usable
for compili
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
See, if libfoo-1.0's headers don't need (say) boost, but libfoo-1.1's
headers do, with what you're proposing you'd have to go through and
update the dependencies of every single package using libfoo.
That's true, and it's why I brought up the cascading DEPEND bit in the
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| But it's a good idea to have some kind of automatic replication of
| frontpage announcements to gentoo-announce and the forums, this will
| help getting important messages through. However, I'm not sure *all*
| frontpage conten
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| But there's already a GWN list, which I assume those that want have signed
| up for. Putting them on the announce list as well would therefore be
| little more than noise. That doesn't hold for the other announcements on
| the front
uniq):
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mans may need to
decide what's best for any specific package's dependencies.
> So would anyone be especially opposed to making "best leftmost" an
> explicit requirement, enforced by repoman where possible (at least for
> the >= / < case)?
Not in the entirely ambiguous case, but things are trickier when one of
the packages is installed, even in nonmatching version/USE.
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> profiles in
> EAPI="4". These files would cause that repoman would allow optional
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> configurations (e.g. on stable-only systems).
> - Create separate profiles for stable and unstable keywords. USE
On 22:21 Sat 18 Dec , Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 20:48:26 -0600
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > I don't know of anyone who's actually done this, but setting IUSE
> > based on ACCEPT_KEYWORDS being ~arch should be possible. There may be
> > be
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end up disappearing.
>
> Does anyone care to justify their "block the old name" habits?
How about playing nicely with overlays where the moves didn't happen
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rtage-tree.git
portage-tree.git
(the name 'portage' derives from bsd ports, so it makes sense to keep
that connection to make it recognizable to that audience)
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he main tree
and overlays in this structure. Just do something common for both, like
tree/ or ebuilds/ or packages/. In the same vein, there's no good reason
I can think of to discriminate between overlays that are project vs
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uld treat the portage user as
a regular user with a regular home directory that can be configured as
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Gentoo policy and not
team-specific. I personally disagree that it should be possible, but
that is a separate decision from whether it should be a common process
across all of Gentoo.
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ntrating power in a smaller number of people using a
meritocratic process -- OSS communities seem to operate much better as a
meritocracy than a democracy, as that provides an incentive to actually
get stuff done instead of talk about the best process for it all day.
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On 09:06 Mon 31 Jan , Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 30-01-2011 20:31:24 -0600, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 22:11 Fri 28 Jan , Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> > > So draft we would like to have implemented as Glep update is this diff:
> > > http://dev.gentoo.or
nds...
By the way, could you please change the dates to be -MM-DD (a la ISO
8601) so they make sense to everyone? I was blindingly confused at first
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ability.
(With exceptions for security issues.)
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On 12:37 Tue 08 Feb , Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2011 11:44 AM, "Donnie Berkholz" wrote:
> > (With exceptions for security issues.)
>
> Other than monitoring bugzilla, how does a Gentoo user even know that
> they have a package pending a security update?
e had 19 students last year!).
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> with others, please contact me (off-list).
Like http://agaffney.org/quickstart.php ?
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#x27;t you just make a single list that
either has keywords for every arch or a ** ? Presumably every arch needs
a certain set of packages stable, and it doesn't matter if you
redundantly specify packages that are already stable.
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On 14:17 Wed 16 Feb , Tobias Klausmann wrote:
> Hi!
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2011, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 09:10 Tue 15 Feb, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
> > > Le lundi 14 février 2011 à 19:19 +0100, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." a écrit :
> > >
ead this first" section and
> noticing that there is a gentoo-soc mailing list.
Indeed, please do join the mailing list!
We strongly encourage novel ideas beyond what's on the ideas list, but
make sure to discuss them in advance of applying so you find a mentor.
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ext email could have such a list.
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n see, it will probably need some updating to work with the
latest versions of other software before you can enhance it.
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craping. I tried using the
python-bugzilla client that accesses Bugzilla via XML-RPC but it didn't
seem to work. Do we have anything available?
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On 16:35 Mon 07 Mar , Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 15:13, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Thanks! One thing I've been very interested about in 3.x and 4.x is API
> > access that's better than screen-scraping. I tried using the
> > python-bugzill
On 07:50 Tue 08 Mar , Hans de Graaff wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 08:13 -0600, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>
> > Thanks! One thing I've been very interested about in 3.x and 4.x is API
> > access that's better than screen-scraping. I tried using the
> > py
packages,
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so before we
decided it was definitely a zombie and burned it to a crisp.
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ngs over ...
>
> Or better yet, git clone.
This could work well with --shared; even worked for me on separate
partitions.
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--disable-jisx0201
> + --disable-koi8-r"
> + fi
Any chance we can just clean out the fonts that still use the old way
and delete most of this?
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erhaps we could detect whether
submodules are in use (need to find the right place/way in git), then
grab them as separate bare checkouts that would eventually be cloned
into TMPDIR by changing the repo location git looks for (again, need to
sort out how in git).
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-d "${ED}/usr/lib" && "$(get_libdir)" != "lib" ]]
No need for quotes when expanding variables or functions inside [[ ]].
That holds true for the rest of the diff, too. I'd also split this (and
a later find call) into two separate conditionals, with just one test
per [[ ]].
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the same thing with numerous serious,
unfixed bugs or tinderbox errors means something much different.
We have the ability to do these kinds of intersections today, since our
wonderful bug wranglers normally insert the $CAT/$PN into summaries and
Diego has tinderbox bugs filed.
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ad a nifty news system for making announcements. And I
> thought we were supposed to have Smolt support like two years ago. What
> happened to it?
I wonder the same question too, since it seems statistics is an
eternally returning GSoC project.
Sebastian, you worked on this in 2009. What ne
people will start laughing at
yet another "new" init system. =)
If there's a guide around already, or a blog post, or you want to draft
something, let me know and I'd be happy to polish it up.
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the tree.
- This looks like a problem (a versioned tarball named cairo-5c):
http://euscan.iksaif.net/package/x11-libs/cairo/
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On 15:48 Mon 18 Apr , Corentin Chary wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > - Some teams have "official" overlays. Supporting those as an additional
> > source of ebuilds would be pretty nice.
>
> I'll just checkout these
On 15:48 Mon 18 Apr , Corentin Chary wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > - Another useful thing would be a way to supply CPV tokens for any
> > "unstable" upstream series that we'll never add to the tree.
>
> There is alre
clear on what exactly happens though,
since I've seen people talking about this *maybe* resulting in an
unbootable system. Has anyone tested it?
One potential cleaner approach to the same idea Kfir suggested is to
make it an interactive emerge with an ACCEPT_LICENSE-like feature that
pops up some
n Editor, they
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us to also
fix some of the frontend usability issues.
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; (section 12.2)
It seems compliant to me, as S is assigned an invariant value that
happens to contain the character '*', which is overwritten with a new
value as a local variable in ebuild functions. Sample code in listing
12.1 in my copy of the PMS seems to suggest this is perfec
roject could
actually attempt to factor out which USE flags result in which files in
an automatic fashion. That would address one of the biggest objections
many people have had to such a package-to-file search engine.
It would also be pretty useful for some other GSoC projects, like the
ebuild gene
ink would work alright.
Perhaps interested people on the team could just say they want to be
lead, and the council would pick one of them. I think leadership should
come from the top.
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On a related note that would accomplish similar purposes, it would also
be nice if we could somehow discriminate between DEPEND and RDEPEND for
@system packages so build-only deps could be removed.
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g us what to _not_ use as separator how about suggesting a
> list of konwn to be good separators for such cases. How about the @ character?
One of my favorites for weird cases is ~.
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3) Something like the --take argument and friends that Ciaran mentioned
seems reasonable (perhaps --accept-suggestion, w/ a short option to
save typing).
Problems? Other thoughts?
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every
couple of months to help every time one of these weird problems comes
up. I recommended upgrades to the new admin every 3 months, which is a
point where nearly everything still works cleanly.
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you're proposing? You stopped halfway through, there should've been a
part at the end that said:
", so you need to do XX to avoid YY from happening".
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On 14:40 Tue 19 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 14:32, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> > W dniu 19.07.2011 19:31, Donnie Berkholz pisze:
> >> On 11:43 Sun 17 Jul , Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> >>> W dniu 17.07.2011 10:45, Kfir Lavi pisze:
> >>
ust plain confusing, and it should go into a new
version-bumped eclass instead.
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sion across packages, and furthmore, package
moves wouldn't duplicate history.
If you're interested in fixing the above problems as well as the ones
that exist regardless of repo format (linked on the main tracker bug
[2]), then submodules could become a better option.
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> A side-note that we've wanted to get out to all devs is that everyone
> should *always* use IUSE="+introspection".
Then why is it a flag?
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source at the same time as binary" clause (i.e., 3b rather than 3a in
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4. http://soc.dev.gentoo.org/~darkdefender/ebuildgenerator
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s like adding packages to the tree that collect data from users
> and compile it,
Like, oh, any package with a built-in bug reporting system?
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On 23:12 Thu 25 Aug , Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Existing users will not be switched automatically.
Why not? If it's considered the supported route going forward, we should
just do it automatically.
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On 17:51 Wed 31 Aug , Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz schrieb:
> > On 23:12 Thu 25 Aug , Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> >> Existing users will not be switched automatically.
> >
> > Why not? If it's considered the suppo
On 14:44 Thu 01 Sep , Petteri Räty wrote:
> One thing to note is that we should get eqawarn into the next EAPI.
Why?
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ersion bumps to a
new eclass. It's just as annoying in an eclass as in a shared library.
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comment says "or" but I see an "and" here.
> + -e
> "s/^dependency_libs='\(.*\)'$/\1/p" \
> + -e
> "s/^inherited_linker_fla
ve .pc files).
It's probably more that "nobody" cares about static building than that
there aren't packages that would break.
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On 23:58 Mon 12 Sep , Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:00:20 -0500
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > > local f
> > > for f in $(find "${D}" -type f -name '*.la'); do
> > > # Keep only .la files with shouldnotlink=yes
gt;
> 'in_iuse' or 'iuse_contains'?
I'd prefer to keep consistency with the parent function has(), so it's
obvious exactly how it will work.
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#x27;s possible for incredibly
outdated systems (those with bash-3 only) to be updated.
We're stuck in this limbo because "we" have apparently decided that just
waiting a year, as we used to do, isn't good enough anymore; but at the
same time, we don't have a better mechan
gt; # information it will all neede variables and takes care of installation.
Lots of typos here.
> HOMEPAGE="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OSC";
> LICENSE="GPL-2"
> SLOT="0"
> IUSE=""
> RDEPEND+="dev-util/osc"
You probably want
On 17:58 Tue 13 Sep , Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 09/13/11 16:44, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > It's because people want to pretend that it's possible for
> > incredibly outdated systems (those with bash-3 only) to be updated.
>
> Actually it's worse - PMS e
On 17:56 Tue 13 Sep , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> useful enough for EAPI ? or should i just stick it into eutils.eclass
> ? OR BOTH !?
I prefer to avoid EAPI whenever possible, as it just makes things slower
and more complex.
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On 19:14 Tue 13 Sep , Brian Harring wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:02:28PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 17:56 Tue 13 Sep , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > useful enough for EAPI ? or should i just stick it into eutils.eclass
> > > ? OR BOTH !?
>
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