Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:08:25 +0100 Peter Stuge wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: > > If a package has a responsive maintainer, then pinging them isn't > > really much of a hurdle. > > I'm not so sure. Waiting for a human round trip which due merely to > time zones might occupy my attention for 24 hou

[gentoo-dev] Re: vim and gvim package split

2013-11-01 Thread Alessandro DE LAURENZIS
Kent Fredric gmail.com> writes: > Useflags have their perks for giving variations on behaviour, but having 3 > effective packages in one, governed by useflags, means you'll have 3 much > more tightly coupled packages, and the code will be much messier with > useflag conditionals to pull dependenc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: vim and gvim package split

2013-11-01 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 16:52 +, Alessandro DE LAURENZIS wrote: > Kent Fredric gmail.com> writes: > > > Useflags have their perks for giving variations on behaviour, but having 3 > > effective packages in one, governed by useflags, means you'll have 3 much > > more tightly coupled packages, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] vim and gvim package split

2013-11-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 23:02:12 +0100 Alessandro DE LAURENZIS wrote: > I guess this is an already debated topic, but I only found this very > old thread on the subject: > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/4328 > > which contains the original communication of the ebuild split and s

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Tom Wijsman wrote: > For really severe bugs I think that pinging just anyone who is around > will do, alternatively you could ping the proxy maintainers herd. In > both cases there is most of the time someone available; so, it would be > a matter of minutes to have the patch applied. You're changi

Re: [gentoo-dev] vim and gvim package split

2013-11-01 Thread Alessandro DE LAURENZIS
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 18:23:48 + Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > First, if your Vim breaks due to you upgrading insufficiently-slotted > libraries (which it will), you're screwed. There's a lot of value in > having a small vim that doesn't link to things, and a big gvim that > does. > > Secondly, Vim'

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Peter Stuge wrote: > It matters a whole lot if I have to wait for someone else to > unblock me, in practice that completely demotivates me to > contribute back, and I would simply work around the block. To clarify this point; contributing fixes back must always be the least effort of all ways to i

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Peter Stuge wrote: >> It matters a whole lot if I have to wait for someone else to >> unblock me, in practice that completely demotivates me to >> contribute back, and I would simply work around the block. > > To clarify this point; contributing

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Peter Stuge
Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > >> It matters a whole lot if I have to wait for someone else to > >> unblock me, in practice that completely demotivates me to > >> contribute back, and I would simply work around the block. > > > > To clarify this point; contributing fixes back must always be the > > least ef

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >> >> It matters a whole lot if I have to wait for someone else to >> >> unblock me, in practice that completely demotivates me to >> >> contribute back, and I would simply work around the block. >> > >> > To clarify this po

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:11:38 +0200 Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > I understand that you want to shorten the time between bug opening and > commit... but I do not understand what you suggest... Switching to Git would be a good start. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 20:49:36 +0100 Peter Stuge wrote: > You're changing the subject. Nobody was talking about really severe > bugs, and those aren't really the common case. Nobody has to for them to be an exception worth mentioning. > Maybe delays don't matter to you, but you can't posit that th

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 20:53:53 +0100 Peter Stuge wrote: > To clarify this point; contributing fixes back must always be the > least effort of all ways to implement the fix in my own system. > Optimize for the (desired) common case. Anything else pushes > contributions away. Version control systems

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Richard Yao
On Nov 1, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> QA has nothing to do with committing, don't confuse Gentoo policy >> with actual meaning of the terms. Testing, repoman and QA matters >> are of course part of creating the patch in the first place. > > It does, the person whom commits has to do t

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Richard Yao
On 11/01/2013 05:18 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 20:53:53 +0100 > Peter Stuge wrote: > >> To clarify this point; contributing fixes back must always be the >> least effort of all ways to implement the fix in my own system. >> Optimize for the (desired) common case. Anything else pu

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Richard Yao
On 11/01/2013 04:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:11:38 +0200 > Alon Bar-Lev wrote: >> I understand that you want to shorten the time between bug opening and >> commit... but I do not understand what you suggest... > > Switching to Git would be a good start. > The original

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Richard Yao
On 11/25/2012 02:01 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 11/23/12 22:32, Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Ian Stakenvicius schrieb: >>> On 22/11/12 11:22 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 08:22:10PM -0600, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > On 11:11 Sun 18 Nov , Robin H. Johnson wrote: >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:05:20 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > On 11/01/2013 04:14 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:11:38 +0200 > > Alon Bar-Lev wrote: > >> I understand that you want to shorten the time between bug opening > >> and commit... but I do not understand what you suggest.

Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

2013-11-01 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:02:28 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > On 11/01/2013 05:18 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 20:53:53 +0100 > > Peter Stuge wrote: > > > >> To clarify this point; contributing fixes back must always be the > >> least effort of all ways to implement the fix in my own