Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Philip Webb
130324 Ben de Groot wrote: > On 24 March 2013 09:17, Dale wrote: >> Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >>> Seriously. SystemRescueCD is more or less exactly what we would need. >> I must confess, I have not used the official Gentoo ISOs in ages. >> I use the SystemRescueCD from a USB stick all the time. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 24/03/13 06:30, Ben de Groot wrote: On 24 March 2013 09:17, Dale wrote: Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Samstag, 23. März 2013, 21:40:16 schrieb Markos Chandras: Why not officially recommend SystemRescueCD instead? Looks really bad to recommend another installation media (even if it is base

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 04:11:14PM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 03/23/2013 02:50 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > El sáb, 23-03-2013 a las 14:40 -0400, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina > > escribió: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] Introduce multibuild_merge_root() to merge interim installs.

2013-03-24 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Michał Górny wrote: >> > +multibuild_merge_root() { >> > + [...] >> > + if type -P lockf &>/dev/null; then >> > + # On BSD, we have 'lockf' wrapper. >> > + tar -C "${src}" -f - -c . \ >> > + | lockf "${lockfile}" tar -x -f - -C "${dest

[gentoo-dev] Re: New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Duncan
Samuli Suominen posted on Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:32:22 +0200 as excerpted: > imho we should contact the sysrescuecd developers and suggest more close > cooperation, such that it could be called official install media in > gentoo-terms I've wondered for years why gentoo invests all that effort into c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Róbert Čerňanský
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:13:07 -0400 James Cloos wrote: > > "MC" == Markos Chandras writes: > > MC> The package is going away unless someone fixes the bugs and > MC> properly maintains the package > > Again, that is an irresponsible mistake. It is better to just leave > it as is than to kic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 5:40 PM, James Cloos wrote: >> "RF" == Rich Freeman writes: > > RF> Is this package working in the typical case? That is, when you aren't > RF> intentionally trying to buffer-overflow it or otherwise break it? > > I haven't found an image file which causes it to crash

[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: linux-mod.eclass: review patch for kmod compat

2013-03-24 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 22/03/13 10:23, Samuli Suominen wrote: [ ... ] The patch is committed since nobody objected

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
On Mar 24, 2013 1:19 AM, "Nikos Chantziaras" wrote: > > On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote: >> >> On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> >>> On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 # Markos Chandra

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > I've wondered for years why gentoo invests all that effort into creating > its own install media, when there's many dedicated projects out there > whose whole purpose is live install/rescue media. Tend to agree. I'd focus mor

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] Introduce multibuild_merge_root() to merge interim installs.

2013-03-24 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:47:41 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Michał Górny wrote: > > >> > +multibuild_merge_root() { > >> > + [...] > >> > +if type -P lockf &>/dev/null; then > >> > +# On BSD, we have 'lockf' wrapper. > >> > +tar -

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/24/2013 09:15 AM, Róbert Čerňanský wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:13:07 -0400 James Cloos > wrote: > >>> "MC" == Markos Chandras writes: >> >> MC> The package is going away unless someone fixes the bugs and >> MC> properly maintains

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > So per https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462366#c4, the package > now has a new maintainer so it will not be removed. > See? This is what I call a good solution instead of going around and > constantly saying "Ohhh bad bad Gentoo remo

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Making an install ISO is as pointless as writing a CMS for Gentoo.org... Gentoo should only bother if it is really necessary. ZSH-related bugs fixed ? Link SystemRescueCD : Link something else - -- Alexander alexan...@plaimi.net http://plaimi.net/~

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/24/2013 11:22 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Markos - I'm not sure what can be done to try to better flush out > user interest in taking care of packages that are on the verge of > death. I'd suggest announcing pending removals before masking the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > The process for rescuing a package is documented here[1] and > it takes about 15'' of google searching to find it. > I think that something a bit more elaborate with links to the relevant pages (proxy-maint, etc) that is more user-oriented

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/24/2013 12:18 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Markos Chandras > wrote: >> The process for rescuing a package is documented here[1] and it >> takes about 15'' of google searching to find it. >> > > I think that some

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 24/03/13 12:01, Markos Chandras wrote: On Mar 24, 2013 1:19 AM, "Nikos Chantziaras" mailto:rea...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote: >> >> On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras mailto:rea...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> On 23/03/13 01:15, Markos Chandras

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > I don't mind adding that link to every package mask. Do note thought > that this is not the only way for a package to be rescued (assuming it > can be rescued). Providing fixes without becoming the maintainer is > also a viable solution, wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Sergei Trofimovich
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:40:37 -0400 James Cloos wrote: > > "RF" == Rich Freeman writes: > > RF> Is this package working in the typical case? That is, when you aren't > RF> intentionally trying to buffer-overflow it or otherwise break it? > > I haven't found an image file which causes it to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Stuge
Nuno Silva wrote: > mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story. mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels significantly better. A lot like saying that Fiat is an alternative to Ferrari. I'm also curious if there are more known bugs than those noted in the mask. I l

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Stuge
Alec Warner wrote: > > MC> The package is going away unless someone fixes the bugs and > > MC> properly maintains the package > > > > Again, that is an irresponsible mistake. It is better to just leave it > > as is than to kick it. Dropping important packages can only harm the > > community and i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > > I find the become-a-dev threshold significant so yes, something stops it.. > So, my personal feeling is that /some/ packages get pulled a little earlier than strictly necessary. However, the fact is that when a package gets treecleaned it i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Stuge
Markos Chandras wrote: > The masks are sort of announcements as you have 30 days to revert that > decision. You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say, having an actually inclusive package removal process. Bugzi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] Introduce multibuild_merge_root() to merge interim installs.

2013-03-24 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2013, Michał Górny wrote: >> >> > +multibuild_merge_root() { >> >> > + [...] >> >> > + if type -P lockf &>/dev/null; then >> >> > + # On BSD, we have 'lockf' wrapper. >> >> > + tar -C "${src}" -f - -c . \ >> >> > + | lock

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological > impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say, > having an actually inclusive package removal process. I was going to post something along these lines, but I'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: > something is bound to break for good sooner or later if things don't change. Certainly. But consider the chain of events: * user is happily using outdated, but working, software without knowing how behind the times upstream really is, because it works * gentoo masks and r

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > A per-ebuild bug metric would be cool. A kind of health indicator > for individual ebuilds, alerting users when some of our installed > ebuilds go yellow, so that we have perhaps on the order of six > months before the package goes red, at whic

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] Introduce multibuild_merge_root() to merge interim installs.

2013-03-24 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:40:58 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Mar 2013, Michał Górny wrote: > > >> >> > +multibuild_merge_root() { > >> >> > + [...] > >> >> > + if type -P lockf &>/dev/null; then > >> >> > + # On BSD, we have 'lockf' wrapper. > >> >> > +

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/03/2013 15:40, Peter Stuge wrote: > Markos Chandras wrote: >> The masks are sort of announcements as you have 30 days to revert that >> decision. > > You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological > impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say, > having a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Stuge
Rich Freeman wrote: > > A per-ebuild bug metric would be cool. A kind of health indicator > > for individual ebuilds, alerting users when some of our installed > > ebuilds go yellow, so that we have perhaps on the order of six > > months before the package goes red, at which point it would be fine

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Brian Dolbec
On Sun, 2013-03-24 at 14:22 +0100, Peter Stuge wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: > > mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story. > > mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels > significantly better. > > A lot like saying that Fiat is an alternative to Ferrari. > > I'm als

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/24/2013 12:36 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 24/03/13 12:01, Markos Chandras wrote: >> >> On Mar 24, 2013 1:19 AM, "Nikos Chantziaras" > > wrote: >>> >>> On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote: On 24 M

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/24/2013 01:22 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story. > > mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels > significantly better. > > A lot like saying that Fiat is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/24/2013 12:40 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Markos Chandras > wrote: >> I don't mind adding that link to every package mask. Do note >> thought that this is not the only way for a package to be rescued >> (assuming

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Stuge
Alan McKinnon wrote: > Masking already accomplishes everything you propose, which is to > communicate "there is something wrong with this package and it is in > danger of leaving the tree. To get it out of this state, you need to > take action". I disagree strongly that this is what masking commun

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/24/2013 01:52 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Users who want to fix the problem need to get involved upstream, > there is no disagreement about that, but users who have already > gotten a package masked by the powers that be are vastly less > motiv

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/24/2013 09:22 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> mplayer *can* play it, but tuning is a different story. > > mplayer is not really an alternative. tvtime looks and feels > significantly better. > > A lot like saying that Fiat is an a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Sonntag, 24. März 2013, 10:05:54 schrieb Duncan: > Thus definitely ++. > > The one big concern I have is that in our approach to the srcd folks we > make clear we're *NOT* attempting to take over their project. That's the > sensitivity I see with the co-branded idea. I'd actually prefer that

Installing KDE (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New install isos needed)

2013-03-24 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Am Sonntag, 24. März 2013, 11:04:11 schrieb Rich Freeman: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > > For an educational experience unpack a stage3 in a chroot and try to > emerge kde or gnome. Then try it again two weeks later. This is what > our new users experi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 2/2] Support wrapping headers for multilib ABIs.

2013-03-24 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:26:38 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > --- > gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass | 82 > +++ 1 file changed, 82 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass > b/gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass index d7372b0..c65c77

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Stuge
Markos Chandras wrote: > You keep complaining about everything I keep complaining about things that I think can be improved, while I don't generally praise things that I think are already good enough. There are so many problems to fix that I basically feel that time is better spent on problems th

Re: Installing KDE (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New install isos needed)

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > We (as the kde team) are modifying the profiles/targets/desktop/kde settings > so if you pick a kde profile you can immediately emerge kde without further > fiddling with useflags. That will be ideal, but I was more concerned with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Stuge
Markos Chandras wrote: > > A per-ebuild bug metric would be cool. A kind of health indicator > > for individual ebuilds, alerting users when some of our installed > > ebuilds go yellow, so that we have perhaps on the order of six > > months before the package goes red, at which point it would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
On 24 March 2013 15:15, Peter Stuge wrote: >> I will be more than happy to commit all the fixes on your behalf. > > It would be super cool if you did this for other bugs that I have > provided solutions for. The xfig one was resolved a while ago, but > I think there might still be some others. I'l

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 2/2] Support wrapping headers for multilib ABIs.

2013-03-24 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:14:52 +0100 Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:26:38 +0100 > Michał Górny wrote: > > > --- > > gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass | 82 > > +++ 1 file changed, 82 insertions(+) > > > > diff --git a/gx86/eclass/autotools-mult

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Róbert Čerňanský
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:40:17 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Markos Chandras > wrote: > > I don't mind adding that link to every package mask. Do note thought > > that this is not the only way for a package to be rescued (assuming > > it can be rescued). Providing fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/03/13 11:19 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Markos Chandras wrote: >>> A per-ebuild bug metric would be cool. A kind of health >>> indicator for individual ebuilds, alerting users when some of >>> our installed ebuilds go yellow, so that we have perha

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Ben Kohler
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Making an install ISO is as pointless as writing a CMS for > Gentoo.org... Gentoo should only bother if it is really necessary. > > ZSH-related bugs fixed ? Link SystemRescueCD : Link

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/03/13 20:32, Ben Kohler wrote: > I really feel like we should still have an official minimal iso Feelings do not matter. - -- Alexander alexan...@plaimi.net http://plaimi.net/~alexander -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GN

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 2/2] Support wrapping headers for multilib ABIs.

2013-03-24 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:41:15 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:14:52 +0100 > Alexis Ballier wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:26:38 +0100 > > Michał Górny wrote: > > > > > --- > > > gx86/eclass/autotools-multilib.eclass | 82 > > > +++ 1 file

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Ben Kohler
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 24/03/13 20:32, Ben Kohler wrote: > > I really feel like we should still have an official minimal iso > Feelings do not matter. > > - -- > Alexander > As a very active contributor

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] Introduce multibuild_merge_root() to merge interim installs.

2013-03-24 Thread Zac Medico
On 03/24/2013 07:13 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > Oh, I didn't reply to use of userland. I thought about using that but > that would mean that I'd have to check all the userlands we support. BSD and GNU should be the only relevant USERLAND values (no others are listed in profiles/desc/userland.desc).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Matt Turner
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same > discussion again? Can't this be restated as "Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it could have bugs in the future?"? Tree cleaning packages over future hypothetical b

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Ben Kohler
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 24/03/13 20:32, Ben Kohler wrote: > > I really feel like we should still have an official minimal iso > Feelings do not matter. > > - -- > Alexander > Just to add a bit more, to g

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 24/03/13 22:25, Matt Turner wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same discussion again? Can't this be restated as "Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it could have bugs in the future?"? Tree cleani

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Alexander Berntsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/03/13 21:17, Ben Kohler wrote: > I strongly believe it's important that we have an official install > medium [that] the official installation handbook is based [on]. I agree. Let's make it SystemRescueCd. - -- Alexander alexan...@plaimi.net h

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
On Mar 24, 2013 8:25 PM, "Matt Turner" wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: > > And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same > > discussion again? > > Can't this be restated as "Shouldn't we tree clean it now since it > could have bugs in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread W. Trevor King
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 09:55:05PM +0100, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 24/03/13 21:17, Ben Kohler wrote: > > I strongly believe it's important that we have an official install > > medium [that] the official installation handbook is based [on]. > > I agree. Let's make it SystemRescueCd. This is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Markos Chandras
On Mar 24, 2013 8:51 PM, "Nikos Chantziaras" wrote: > > On 24/03/13 22:25, Matt Turner wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: >>> >>> And what if it breaks again in the future? Should we go over the same >>> discussion again? >> >> >> Can't this be restated as "Shoul

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > The number of open bugs doesn't really matter, it's what those bugs > are that matters -- security bugs, sure, are of a higher priority and > can be fairly easily detected in bugzilla. Well, our current treecleaner policy seems to be that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 03/24/2013 09:40 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: > Markos Chandras wrote: >> The masks are sort of announcements as you have 30 days to revert that >> decision. > > You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological > impact of you having already made the decision, compared to, say, > havin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed update to pax-utils.eclass

2013-03-24 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 03/17/2013 08:19 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Hi everyone, The hardened team has been working on getting PaX markings moved to Extended Attributes rather then putting them in a program header of the ELF binaries [1]. The motivation here is that this is a generally safer way of doing PaX m

[gentoo-dev] Automated Package Removal and Addition Tracker, for the week ending 2013-03-24 23h59 UTC

2013-03-24 Thread Robin H. Johnson
The attached list notes all of the packages that were added or removed from the tree, for the week ending 2013-03-24 23h59 UTC. Removals: net-misc/netcfg 2013-03-20 00:19:50 floppym x11-misc/mkxf86config 2013-03-22 10:31:11 ssuominen games-strategy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 03/24/2013 09:40 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: >> Markos Chandras wrote: >>> The masks are sort of announcements as you have 30 days to revert that >>> decision. >> >> You don't seem to recognize the quite significant psychological >> impact of y

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-24 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Pacho Ramos wrote: Today I tried to boot latest install ISO (from January) and hit this bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455924 This breaks a lot of hardware requiring firmwares (like some wireless drivers) Could a new ISO set be released? I'm working on it.

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Duncan
Rich Freeman posted on Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:26:03 -0400 as excerpted: > Packages without bugs are packages that nobody has bothered to test... > :) LWN distro page QotW material. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Rafael Goncalves Martins
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > # Markos Chandras (22 Mar 2013) > # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289) > # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389) > # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer > # Removal in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Sergey Popov
24.03.2013 13:15, Róbert Čerňanský пишет: > And that is why I now appeal to users: > > _Do not report bugs to Gentoo unless a package is completely broken._ > > Because what you will get in return? Package removed. If package is broken, upstream is dead/unresponsive and nobody wants or can fi

[gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-24 Thread Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)
On 2013-03-25, Rafael Goncalves Martins wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: >> >> # Markos Chandras (22 Mar 2013) >> # Fails with automake-1.12 (#424289) >> # Problems with the alsa patches (#403389) >> # Herd has not interest in it and needs a maintainer >> # Remova