On 07/31/2011 02:22 PM, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> W dniu 30.07.2011 15:55, Samuli Suominen pisze:
>> On 07/30/2011 01:46 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:27:27 +0300
>>> Samuli Suominen wrote:
Since running separate /usr without mounting it from initramfs on top
of / b
On 07/31/2011 05:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:55:23 +0300
> Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
>> I dislike the IUSE="+static" some packages are currently doing to
>> workaround this, instead of moving the needed shared libs to /
>>
>> I dislike the idea of pciutils and usbutils data
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
> that's my impression now too since nobody has managed to provide useful
> case for separate /usr, or they have been very vague like adding 1+1 on
> / and /usr filesystem sizes and counting the risk of corrupted
> filesystem from that (one word: backup)
Maybe I have to e
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:23:07 +0300
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> this is starting to look good:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove#Move_all_to_.2Fusr
Honestly, that seems like a poor draft to me. First of all, I don't see
a reason to move /sbin to /usr/bin instead of /usr/sbin.
Seco
On 08/01/2011 10:45 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Samuli Suominen schrieb:
>
>> that's my impression now too since nobody has managed to provide useful
>> case for separate /usr, or they have been very vague like adding 1+1 on
>> / and /usr filesystem sizes and counting the risk of cor
Samuli Suominen schrieb:
> should think this inverse; make separate partitions for the data
> directories such as /home or /var
> have /usr on /
> so when / goes down, you still keep your data
Putting /home and /var on separate partitions can increase isolation
even further, that is true.
On desk
On 2011-08-01 10:23 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> that's my impression now too since nobody has managed to provide useful
> case for separate /usr, or they have been very vague
I will switch if I have to but saying / and /usr on the same filesystem
is the better technical solution just annoys me.
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:22:02 +0200
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Samuli Suominen schrieb:
> > should think this inverse; make separate partitions for the data
> > directories such as /home or /var
> > have /usr on /
> > so when / goes down, you still keep your data
>
> Putting /home and
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On 01-08-2011 08:31, Eray Aslan wrote:
> On 2011-08-01 10:23 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> that's my impression now too since nobody has managed to provide
>> useful case for separate /usr, or they have been very vague
>
> I will switch if I have to
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
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On 01-08-2011 08:31, Eray Aslan wrote:
On 2011-08-01 10:23 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
that's my impression now too since nobody has managed to provide
useful case for separate /usr, or they have been ve
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 05:58:49 -0500
Dale wrote:
> I thought Gentoo was about choices? It seems one choice is being
> removed or is it?
Gentoo might be, but Fedora isn't. This is a decision that was made by
one Fedora developer.
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* Samuli Suominen schrieb am 01.08.11 um 09:23 Uhr:
> On 07/31/2011 05:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:55:23 +0300
> > Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >
> >> I dislike the IUSE="+static" some packages are currently doing to
> >> workaround this, instead of moving the needed shared
El lun, 01-08-2011 a las 13:12 +0200, Marc Schiffbauer escribió:
[...]
> * /usr/portage can get very huge and is often written to. With
> / and /usr being on the same FS you really want to have
> /usr/portage on a seperate FS then
>
> I am sure there are some other reasons too.
>
> Just my 2
* Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto schrieb am 01.08.11 um 11:19 Uhr:
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> On 01-08-2011 08:31, Eray Aslan wrote:
> > On 2011-08-01 10:23 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> >> that's my impression now too since nobody has managed to provide
> >> useful case fo
* Pacho Ramos schrieb am 01.08.11 um 13:19 Uhr:
> El lun, 01-08-2011 a las 13:12 +0200, Marc Schiffbauer escribió:
> [...]
> > * /usr/portage can get very huge and is often written to. With
> > / and /usr being on the same FS you really want to have
> > /usr/portage on a seperate FS then
> >
>
W dniu 01.08.2011 13:12, Marc Schiffbauer pisze:
> * Samuli Suominen schrieb am 01.08.11 um 09:23 Uhr:
>> On 07/31/2011 05:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:55:23 +0300
>>> Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>>
I dislike the IUSE="+static" some packages are currently doing to
wo
El lun, 01-08-2011 a las 13:30 +0200, Marc Schiffbauer escribió:
> * Pacho Ramos schrieb am 01.08.11 um 13:19 Uhr:
> > El lun, 01-08-2011 a las 13:12 +0200, Marc Schiffbauer escribió:
> > [...]
> > > * /usr/portage can get very huge and is often written to. With
> > > / and /usr being on the same
* Kacper Kowalik schrieb am 01.08.11 um 13:32 Uhr:
>
> I'm responding to this particular mail cause it's last in queue and
> because it replicates things already mentioned before.
>
> I am a zeleous follower of having seperate /usr partition, thus seeing
> moot arguments that goes "in favour" of
On 08/01/2011 02:32 PM, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> W dniu 01.08.2011 13:12, Marc Schiffbauer pisze:
>> * Samuli Suominen schrieb am 01.08.11 um 09:23 Uhr:
>>> On 07/31/2011 05:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:55:23 +0300
[ .. ]
> I am a zeleous follower of having seperate /usr
On 08/01/2011 03:25 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 08/01/2011 02:32 PM, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
>> W dniu 01.08.2011 13:12, Marc Schiffbauer pisze:
>>> * Samuli Suominen schrieb am 01.08.11 um 09:23 Uhr:
On 07/31/2011 05:23 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:55:23 +0300
>
> [
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 15:45:26 +0300
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> "There is no way to reliably bring up a modern system with an empty
> /usr, there are two alternatives to fix it: copy /usr back to the
> rootfs or use an initramfs which can hide the split-off from the
> system."
To be clear here: by "m
* Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto schrieb am 01.08.11 um 11:19 Uhr:
> I agree with Eray. Furthermore, please stop trying to reverse "the
> game". It's those that want to break existing policies and conventions
> that have to justify why they want to do that, not those that want to
> keep using what has
On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:10:27 +0300
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> This isn't about systemd, but indeed it will solve one compability
> obstacle for them too. No harm there.
Right, it's about the Gnome operating system, of which systemd is but
one strongly coupled part.
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:10:27 +0300
Samuli Suominen wrote:
> * Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto schrieb am 01.08.11 um 11:19 Uhr:
> > I agree with Eray. Furthermore, please stop trying to reverse "the
> > game". It's those that want to break existing policies and
> > conventions that have to justify why
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:30:37 +0200
Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> * Pacho Ramos schrieb am 01.08.11 um 13:19 Uhr:
> > Having /usr/portage on a different partition will still be
> > supported if I understood correctly (at least, it still works fine
> > for me even having the rest of /usr under / partiti
2011/8/1 Michał Górny :
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:30:37 +0200
> Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
>
>> * Pacho Ramos schrieb am 01.08.11 um 13:19 Uhr:
>> > Having /usr/portage on a different partition will still be
>> > supported if I understood correctly (at least, it still works fine
>> > for me even having
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:22:15 +0200
Francesco Riosa wrote:
> everything about portage is very specific and should be separated, I
> would like to see an addition of one root directory "gentoo" where
> ${PKGMANAGER} keep all it's stuff.
Doesn't really fit in nicely with the build directory being arb
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 07:22:15PM +0200, Francesco Riosa wrote:
> everything about portage is very specific and should be separated, I
> would like to see an addition of one root directory "gentoo" where
> ${PKGMANAGER} keep all it's stuff.
> Some of these are already moveable with ${*DIR} variabl
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:49:41 -0500
William Hubbs wrote:
> > 20K /gentoo/tmp
>
> Maybe /tmp?
/var/tmp was there for a reason. On all my systems /tmp is tmpfs, and
it is not suitable for larger builds.
> > 20K /gentoo/overlays
>
> This isn't on everyones system, so I think it is up to th
On 08/01/2011 07:10 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> * Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto schrieb am 01.08.11 um 11:19 Uhr:
>> I agree with Eray. Furthermore, please stop trying to reverse "the
>> game". It's those that want to break existing policies and conventions
>> that have to justify why they want to do
* William Hubbs schrieb am 01.08.11 um 19:49 Uhr:
> On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 07:22:15PM +0200, Francesco Riosa wrote:
> > everything about portage is very specific and should be separated, I
> > would like to see an addition of one root directory "gentoo" where
> > ${PKGMANAGER} keep all it's stuff.
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On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:55:02PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> On 08/01/2011 07:10 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> > * Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto schrieb am 01.08.11 um 11:19 Uhr:
> >> I agree with Eray. Furthermore, please stop trying to reverse "the
> >> game". It's those that want to break existing
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