[gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-java/violinstrings

2007-05-04 Thread Alistair John Bush
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > # Alistair Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (4 May 2007) > # Masked for removal to junkyard in 30 days (3 June) > # Generation 1 ebuild with stale upstream > dev-java/violinstrings Going one, Going Twice, Last and final call!! - -- Alistair John B

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi. José Luis Rivero (yoswink) wrote: > Roy Marples wrote: >> >> I maintain and play a game called Eternal Lands. I'm a Council member, >> but not part of the games team/herd. >> >> One of the problems games have with stable/unstable/testing/whatever

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 04 May 2007, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > I also don't agree with having an exception for the games herd. As > others have questioned, how are games more important than security > bumps? If we were considering exceptions, I would argue that allowing > the security team to mark pack

[gentoo-dev] It is Bugday time!

2007-05-04 Thread Alexander Færøy
Hello! It is Bugday time once again! Join #Gentoo-Bugs on Freenode tomorrow (Saturday) and help us fix as many bugs as possible! Have fun! Best regards, Alexander -- Alexander Færøy Bugday Lead Alpha/IA64/MIPS Architecture Teams User Relations, Quality Assurance and Release Engineering pgpwO

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Alec Warner
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Friday 04 May 2007, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: >> I also don't agree with having an exception for the games herd. As >> others have questioned, how are games more important than security >> bumps? If we were considering exceptions, I would argue that allowing >> the

[gentoo-dev] prep* functions in ebuilds

2007-05-04 Thread Torsten Veller
There are two bugs (140697,140699) saying that prepall and prepallman are invoked automatically by portage. Looking at prepall it calls: prepallman prepallinfo prepallstrip What is with prepalldocs? Is it allowed to use in ebuilds? Should it be in pms? Or is it just missing in prepall? Thanks.

Re: [gentoo-dev] prep* functions in ebuilds

2007-05-04 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 04 May 2007, Torsten Veller wrote: > What is with prepalldocs? some people like to install files into /usr/share/doc/$PF/ and not have it be compressed > Is it allowed to use in ebuilds? Should it be in pms? yes > Or is it just missing in prepall? no -mike signature.asc Descripti

Re: [gentoo-dev] prep* functions in ebuilds

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 4 May 2007 18:30:02 +0200 Torsten Veller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is with prepalldocs? Is it allowed to use in ebuilds? Should it > be in pms? Or is it just missing in prepall? The prep* functions are Portage internals. They're not suitable for ebuild use and shouldn't be in pms.

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: binary JWSDP

2007-05-04 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
+# Krzysiek Pawlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (4 May 2007) +# Masked for removal: from source versions are in the +# tree, so please use that. +# Will be removed by end of May. +dev-java/sun-fastinfoset-bin +dev-java/sun-jaxb-bin +dev-java/sun-jaxp-bin +dev-java/sun-jaxr-bin +dev-java/sun-jaxrpc-bin +dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 12:15 +0200, "José Luis Rivero (yoswink)" wrote: > Games are not part of core system, so IMHO, use the ~arch branch to have > the latest cool version to enjoy, could be a good way to go for those > el1te gam3rs. We actively discourage users from using ~arch for stable, sinc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 08:53 -0700, Alec Warner wrote: > I don't even see how this is a policy discussion at all as the policy is > more or less clear to me; is it unclear for others? This is an > enforcement problem, no? No. It *was* an enforcement problem. The problem has been resolved already

RE: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Karl Haines
Lol, its funny that we must concern ourselves with the needs of ""el1te gam3rs"", but I suppose its necessary. Karl Haines -Original Message- From: Chris Gianelloni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:13 PM To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Mont

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 04 May 2007 15:36:51 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The point of policy is *not* to impede progress. It is supposed to be > to provide our users the best quality distribution. If policy gets in > the way of progress without gain for our users, then the policy needs >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 20:43 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 04 May 2007 15:36:51 -0400 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The point of policy is *not* to impede progress. It is supposed to be > > to provide our users the best quality distribution. If policy gets in > > the

[gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
Hello, Thanks to zmedico we now have support for news items on infra-side and heck they are ready to use. And we should use them! Attaching news item for paludis 0.24. Justification: major config format change. -- Best Regards, Piotr Jaroszyński Title: Changes for Paludis 0.24 Author: Piotr Ja

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Thomas Rösner
Hi, Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: > Hello, > > (...) > > Display-If-Installed: >=sys-apps/paludis-0.24 You mean "Display-If-Installed:

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
On Friday 04 of May 2007 23:46:39 Thomas Rösner wrote: > You mean "Display-If-Installed:

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: > On Friday 04 of May 2007 23:46:39 Thomas Rösner wrote: >> You mean "Display-If-Installed: > No, I want it displayed only after installation of the new version. > Isn't such use case just a replacement for elog? I thought

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Alexander Færøy
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:13:12AM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: > Isn't such use case just a replacement for elog? I thought news were > supposed to be delivered before upgrading. Also "You should update your > configuration files after upgrading." sounds like something one would > read before upg

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Petteri Räty
Alexander Færøy kirjoitti: > On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:13:12AM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: >> Isn't such use case just a replacement for elog? I thought news were >> supposed to be delivered before upgrading. Also "You should update your >> configuration files after upgrading." sounds like somet

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Petteri Räty
Petteri Räty kirjoitti: > Alexander Færøy kirjoitti: >> On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:13:12AM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: >>> Isn't such use case just a replacement for elog? I thought news were >>> supposed to be delivered before upgrading. Also "You should update your >>> configuration files after

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 05 May 2007 01:30:05 +0300 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So let's say this was a message about package foobar. If it only > affects users after they upgrade it would mean that new installs > would get the news item too, wouldn't it?. Yep. This situation was discussed when desig

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 05 May 2007 01:34:37 +0300 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ah found it in the GLEP: > "The package manager filters the news item and, if it is relevant, > marks the news item for reading. The package manager should also > display a notice informing the user that there are unread n

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Petteri Räty
Ciaran McCreesh kirjoitti: > On Sat, 05 May 2007 01:34:37 +0300 > Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ah found it in the GLEP: >> "The package manager filters the news item and, if it is relevant, >> marks the news item for reading. The package manager should also >> display a notice informi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Dan Meltzer
On Friday 04 May 2007 4:49:47 pm Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: > Hello, > > Thanks to zmedico we now have support for news items on infra-side and heck > they are ready to use. And we should use them! > > Attaching news item for paludis 0.24. > Justification: major config format change. How does this f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 4 May 2007 14:37:21 -0500 "Karl Haines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lol, its funny that we must concern ourselves with the needs of > ""el1te gam3rs"", but I suppose its necessary. We concern ourselves with the needs of everyone, from our elite users, to our crapola devs. There are, or s

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 05 May 2007 01:30:05 +0300 > Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So let's say this was a message about package foobar. If it only >> affects users after they upgrade it would mean that new installs >> would get t

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 4 May 2007 18:50:00 -0400 Dan Meltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does this fit the following parts of the GLEP? > > "Preemptive Preemptiveness is not a requirement for this particular news item. It's necessary in many places but not this one. > Additionally, what about this is so c

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 05 May 2007 00:56:35 +0200 Vlastimil Babka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Display-If-Installed: signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexander Færøy wrote: > On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:13:12AM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote: >> Isn't such use case just a replacement for elog? I thought news were >> supposed to be delivered before upgrading. Also "You should update your >> configuratio

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 04 May 2007 17:38:43 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right which... seems to me something I would want to know > *BEFORE* I upgraded... No no, if you find out before you upgrade you preemptively change your config files and the old version breaks. If you find out

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 05 May 2007 01:47:07 +0300 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can there be new messages with emerge --pretend if emerge --sync > is the only way to get them? Should be saying unread messages and it > would be clear to me. A new message is one that hasn't been read. -- Ciaran M

[gentoo-dev] Re: [Last Rites] app-pda/plucker

2007-05-04 Thread Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill wrote: > # Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (29 Apr 2007) > # Has a hard dependency on wxGTK-2.4 (bug #121818) > # Replacement: sunrise? http://sourceforge.net/projects/sunrisexp/ > # Masked for removal May 29, 2007 > app-pda/plucker plucker will not be removed but will stay masked until

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Dan Meltzer
On Friday 04 May 2007 6:58:44 pm Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2007 18:50:00 -0400 > > Dan Meltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How does this fit the following parts of the GLEP? > > > > "Preemptive > > Preemptiveness is not a requirement for this particular news item. It's > necessary i

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 4 May 2007 19:48:19 -0400 Dan Meltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That seems like a really bad road to go down. > > Would it not be better to extend elog to alert people at the end of > an install as well? Doesn't help. It's only there once, and it's easy to ignore. Users don't have to e

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Dan Meltzer
On Friday 04 May 2007 7:52:46 pm Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2007 19:48:19 -0400 > > Dan Meltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That seems like a really bad road to go down. > > > > Would it not be better to extend elog to alert people at the end of > > an install as well? > > Doesn't he

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Dan Meltzer
On Friday 04 May 2007 8:01:58 pm Dan Meltzer wrote: > On Friday 04 May 2007 7:52:46 pm Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Fri, 4 May 2007 19:48:19 -0400 > > > > Dan Meltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That seems like a really bad road to go down. > > > > > > Would it not be better to extend elog to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 4 May 2007 20:01:58 -0400 Dan Meltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Doesn't help. It's only there once, and it's easy to ignore. Users > > don't have to explicitly mark it as read, so it's frequently not > > read. elog is not an adequate solution. > > Emm, That would depend upon the viewe

Re: [gentoo-dev] prep* functions in ebuilds

2007-05-04 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 04 May 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Torsten Veller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What is with prepalldocs? Is it allowed to use in ebuilds? Should it > > be in pms? Or is it just missing in prepall? > > The prep* functions are Portage internals. They're not suitable for > ebuild use an

[gentoo-dev] Re: [news-item] Paludis 0.24

2007-05-04 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 05 May 2007 00:17:46 +0100: > On Fri, 04 May 2007 17:38:43 -0500 > Steev Klimaszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Right which... seems to me something I would want to know *BEFORE* >> I upgraded... > > N