Josh Saddler wrote:
> Please don't remove it, and don't replace it with xmms2. There are far too
> many
> media type plugins that work for xmms that audacious and similar players can't
> handle. Also, will xmms plugins even work in xmms2? And isn't xmms2 still a
> command line-only application? N
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote:
> On Thursday 24 August 2006 02:17, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> All in all, the vocal minority has done a splendid job of becoming more
>> influential, crippling Gentoo's ability to do anything at all about its
>> members, their flames, their outstanding work at ruini
Wernfried Haas wrote:
> I rather have the current process with all its problems than one
> single ruler deciding stuff, even if he decides good - or like a total
> moron, you just never know with kings.
> The king is dead, long live the council!
The council doesn't actually do anything AFAICT, it
On Thursday 24 August 2006 09:52, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote:
> What? This doesn't make any sense. People bitching and moaning and
> screaming all over -dev until no one else has any interest in pursuing
> anything has nothing to do with who I vote for.
No but in a dem
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:54:23AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> The council doesn't actually do anything AFAICT, it just "approves" GLEP
> decisions that have already been made. So in effect we have no leadership.
Suspending sunrise was a decision, as was unsuspending it. However i
agree that c
Hi Donnie,
On 8/24/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I started my fourth year as a Gentoo developer in June, and Gentoo's
changed a lot since I started back in 2003. We've become a drastically
more democratic organization. But the question remains — _Is this a good
thing?_
Oh yes.
Hi devs,
it's about the time that some files in CVS need to be
cleaned out. The CVS-partition on lark is getting small
again and I want to push the maintenance-resize a little bit
forward.
See attached a list of Attic-files which are +500k in size.
If you want to keep one of these files, tell me
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 00:00 +, Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote:
> Tach Luis, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID)
>
> Luis Medinas schrieb:
> > If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs
> > to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete).
>
>
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:30:20PM +0100, Luis Medinas wrote:
> I'm the current maintainer for xmms and all plugins. As you all know
> xmms is writen over GTK+-1. This toolkit is not supported by the
> upstream like xmms. We have lot's of dead upstream plugins on portage
> and this is a pain to mai
Robin H. Johnson wrote:
don't take XMMS away from those of us already using it without any issues.
It can disappear from portage without affecting your ability to keep
using it.
j.
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:50:04 +0100
"Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We've had a global vision for where Gentoo is going from before I
> joined - Gentoo is here to create a source-based distribution where
> each package is as close to what $UPSTREAM intended it to be as
> possible. We
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 05:21 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> The last time this came up, a few months ago, mentioned in somebodies
> blog, I made an effort to look at both bmpx and audacious.
>
> Both used significantly more CPU, and one of them was completely
> unusable with the size of my playli
Kover is unmaintained by years, has toolbar drawing issues and isn't
coded in the standard kde way
(for example has its own way to access cddb).
Koverartist would be a perfect replacement, seems well maintained and
has all the kover functionalities.
So I'm asking if someone has something against a
* Maurice van der Pot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
Hi,
> I've been maintaining Coda, but I'm not using it anymore.
> I'm looking for someone to take over maintenance. It's a
> low-maintenance package. Any takers?
I've got switching my nfs installations to coda for right some
time, and so I'd o
On Thursday 24 August 2006 09:54, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> The council doesn't actually do anything AFAICT, it just "approves" GLEP
> decisions that have already been made. So in effect we have no leadership.
Well, to quote the council project page:
"The elected Gentoo Council decides on global i
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:30:20 +0100 Luis Medinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have a few alternatives like audacious, gstreamer based players
> and xine-lib players (did i forget anything ?). The problem is that
[...]
> So i'm asking for a solution either remove xmms, move the maintainer
> for a
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:39:10 +1000 Jonathan Adamczewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > don't take XMMS away from those of us already using it without any
> > issues.
>
> It can disappear from portage without affecting your ability to keep
> using it.
Not true, when upg
I am new in this list and waiting at my mentor come back from vacations.
It is often the problem with democracy. Every one will have its word said, even
if he or she know nothing about the issue. What I think is at the only mean to
deal with this problem and still be democratic, is to organize t
Luca Barbato wrote:
Luis Medinas wrote:
If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs
to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on
redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to
move it to our darkness repository. If you wa
Robert Cernansky a écrit :
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:30:20 +0100 Luis Medinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Most missing is gapless output, so when playing continuous tracks
> I get ugly spaces between them, brr. Other missing is very usefull
> xosd support and great xmms-pipe (which does not
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:56:10 +0200 Matteo Azzali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| So I'm asking if someone has something against a move ( insertion of a
| line in profiles/updates/... )
Are they configuration-file compatible, including the location of said
configuration files?
--
Ciaran McCreesh
Mai
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Jakub Moc wrote:
It's broken like hell (see above) and it's a huge PITA to maintain a
thing that's completely dead upstream.
For something that's dead, it's been kicking quite a lot this summer:
http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:54:23 -0700 Donnie Berkholz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Wernfried Haas wrote:
| > I rather have the current process with all its problems than one
| > single ruler deciding stuff, even if he decides good - or like a
| > total moron, you just never know with kings.
| > The ki
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I just posted this to my blog [1], but I know you don't all read it so I
> wanted to post it here as well. Do read all the way through. I very
> rarely write anything this long, and when I do, it's something I feel
> very strongly about.
> If I could go back in time a co
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 03:16:41PM +0200, Pierre Guinoiseau wrote:
> Robert Cernansky a écrit :
> > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:30:20 +0100 Luis Medinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Most missing is gapless output, so when playing continuous tracks
> > I get ugly spaces between them, brr. Other
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:17:17 -0700 Donnie Berkholz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| The vocal minority often gets its way, despite 99% of the other
| developers being happy with any given situation.
That's a somewhat dangerous claim to make, for several reasons.
Firstly, the vocal people are usually
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:42:48 -0500 Lance Albertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I'm afraid those days are in the past unless some kind of fork happens
| where the folks who think we need a leader go their way and the folks
| who prefer the leader-by-committee approach go their way.
The two aren't
Robert Cernansky wrote:
> Unfortunatelly this is something different. xmm-pipe lets you control
> running xmms from commandline (thus binding these commands to
> keys). It allows control volume, skipping in current track (fast
> forward), do some playlist actions and lot more.
This helps:
[EMAIL
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:42:48 -0500 Lance Albertson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | I'm afraid those days are in the past unless some kind of fork happens
> | where the folks who think we need a leader go their way and the folks
> | who prefer the leader-by-committee approa
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:01:23 +0200 Krzysiek Pawlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robert Cernansky wrote:
> > Unfortunatelly this is something different. xmm-pipe lets you
> > control running xmms from commandline (thus binding these commands
> > to keys). It allows control volume, skipping in curre
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:12:48 -0400
"Stephen P. Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luca Barbato wrote:
> > Luis Medinas wrote:
> >
> >> If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone
needs
> >> to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on
> >> redhat, mand
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:11:52 -0500 Lance Albertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I partially agree that a strong council will help the situation, but
| the problem with any leadership-by-committee model is the lack of
| quick decisions. Many times things come up that need a quick
| resolution (when
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:11:52 -0500 Lance Albertson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | I partially agree that a strong council will help the situation, but
> | the problem with any leadership-by-committee model is the lack of
> | quick decisions. Many times things come up that
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:22:06 +0200
Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, looked at this. It's similar to stadard xmms
> posibilites. xmms-pipe have much wider posibilites.
>
> I use mainly skipping within a track (not to next track) so I can
> rewind without touching a mouse and sw
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 09:50 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Hi Donnie,
>
Lots of interesting material in this thread, and I haven't come close to
processing it all. I am briefly responding to two of Stuart's points
just to try to cut off further attempts to recall history. For those of
you who w
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:11:52 -0500 Lance Albertson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | I partially agree that a strong council will help the situation, but
> | the problem with any leadership-by-committee model is the lack of
> | quick decisions. Many times things come up that
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:08:32 +0200 Andrej Kacian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sounds like you might want to have a look at http://musicpd.org - in
> portage as media-sound/mpd or media-sound/mpd-svn.
Thank You for the tip. I looked at mpd also (only on web page). It
have probably good posibility
On Thursday 24 August 2006 05:28, Lars Weiler wrote:
> See attached a list of Attic-files which are +500k in size.
> If you want to keep one of these files, tell me. Otherwise
> I'll remove them on Sunday.
i thought the entire point of the CVS attic is that when we want to retrieve
something, it
Lance Albertson wrote:
I thought of that while I was walking to a meeting..heh Basically,
Appoint two people to co-lead, or appoint one Lead and one Vice Lead.
That way there's some kind of accountability on the bare minimum level
and good coverage (hopefully).
I was also thinking about turni
Yes, mpd can play streams.
Greets,
Aidy
2006/8/24, Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:08:32 +0200 Andrej Kacian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sounds like you might want to have a look at http://musicpd.org - in
> portage as media-sound/mpd or media-sound/mpd-svn.
Thank
Lance Albertson wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:42:48 -0500 Lance Albertson
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> | I'm afraid those days are in the past unless some kind of fork happens
>> | where the folks who think we need a leader go their way and the folks
>> | who prefer
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:42:27 +0200
Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank You for the tip. I looked at mpd also (only on web page). It
> have probably good posibility to control it via command line. But what
> about xosd support? (Which I mention in my previous post.) I do not
> see
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:13:29 +0200 Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| I for one was quite demotivated to see that the Infra team could
| overrule the Council (and did it twice). Fixing this is the first step
| in having a strong Council / leader / whatever.
Well, Infra have root and are p
Thierry Carrez wrote:
[snip]
I for one was quite demotivated to see that the Infra team could
overrule the Council (and did it twice).
how? I don't recall either instance.
--Mike
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:53:32 -0400
Luis Francisco Araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lance Albertson wrote:
> >
> > I thought of that while I was walking to a meeting..heh Basically,
> > Appoint two people to co-lead, or appoint one Lead and one Vice
> > Lead. That way there's some kind of accou
On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:40, Mike Doty wrote:
> Thierry Carrez wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > I for one was quite demotivated to see that the Infra team could
> > overrule the Council (and did it twice).
>
> how? I don't recall either instance.
AFAIR one thing was staff email adresses (sub domain or n
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote:
> On Thursday 24 August 2006 19:40, Mike Doty wrote:
>> Thierry Carrez wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> I for one was quite demotivated to see that the Infra team could
>>> overrule the Council (and did it twice).
>> how? I don't recall either instance.
> AFAIR one thing wa
Marius Mauch wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:53:32 -0400
Luis Francisco Araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lance Albertson wrote:
I thought of that while I was walking to a meeting..heh Basically,
Appoint two people to co-lead, or appoint one Lead and one Vice
Lead. That way there's some kind of
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:14:10 -0500 Lance Albertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Anyways, I'm not going to take any more flame bait since I'm sick and
| tired of this shit.
I'm glad to see that you're serious about addressing what other people
perceive to be issues with the current structure, and a
Robert Cernansky wrote:
What bothers me also, is that it has not plugin design like
xmms. Support for plugins is very good because lot of people can write
plugins for lot of things. This is why people do not want to switch
from xmms because thanks to plugins it have so many features that
current
Mike Doty wrote:
Thierry Carrez wrote:
[snip]
I for one was quite demotivated to see that the Infra team could
overrule the Council (and did it twice).
how? I don't recall either instance.
--Mike
I believe the latter was the revoking of Ciaran's CVS access prior to
his trial.
--
gentoo
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 13:14 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
> For the record, I was waiting for those folks to come to us to resolve
> it. Last I knew we had a partial resolution with the parties involved,
> but shortly after that they just stopped pursing it. I figured if it
> was
> that important t
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Thursday 24 August 2006 05:28, Lars Weiler wrote:
See attached a list of Attic-files which are +500k in size.
If you want to keep one of these files, tell me. Otherwise
I'll remove them on Sunday.
i thought the entire point of the CVS attic is that when we want to r
Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> Luca Barbato wrote:
>> Luis Medinas wrote:
>>
>>> If noone takes it will be saved on overlays.gentoo.org. Everyone needs
>>> to know that xmms is old and tired (obsolete). A few developers on
>>> redhat, mandriva and suse marked xmms as obsolete. Now it's our turn to
>>>
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 20:55 +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Lance Albertson wrote:
>
> > Anyways, I'm not going to take any more flame bait since I'm sick and
> > tired of this shit.
>
> And my intention was not to revive that precise debate. I'm just saying
> that for the "leader" (or "strong cou
>> Note that neither mplayer or xine work on mips particularly well. Xine
>
> Could you please help us fixing it on mips? (in particular currently
> there is work in improving ffmp3 in order to ditch mad, that has issues
> with mips iirc)
Well, it depends on your definition of help. I'd be perf
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 17:26 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote:
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> Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > We've had a global vision for where Gentoo is going from before I
> > joined - Gentoo is here to create a source-based distribution where
> > each package is
Homer Parker wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 13:14 -0500, Lance Albertson wrote:
>> For the record, I was waiting for those folks to come to us to resolve
>> it. Last I knew we had a partial resolution with the parties involved,
>> but shortly after that they just stopped pursing it. I figured if it
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:15:18 -0400
Luis Francisco Araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marius Mauch wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:53:32 -0400
> > Luis Francisco Araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Lance Albertson wrote:
> >>> I thought of that while I was walking to a meeting..heh Basic
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote:
On Thursday 24 August 2006 09:52, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen wrote:
What? This doesn't make any sense. People bitching and moaning and
screaming all over -dev until no one else has any interest in pursuing
anything has nothing to do with who
Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> Well, it depends on your definition of help.
Testing recent snapshots or providing shells would be perfectly fine.
lu
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Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero
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Alec Warner wrote:
> Mike Doty wrote:
>> Thierry Carrez wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> I for one was quite demotivated to see that the Infra team could
>>> overrule the Council (and did it twice).
>>
>> how? I don't recall either instance.
>>
>> --Mike
>>
>
> I believe the latter was the revoking of Cia
Robert Cernansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on
Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:31:25 +0200:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:39:10 +1000 Jonathan Adamczewski
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>> > don't take XMMS away from those of us already using it with
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:48:41 -0400 "Stephen P. Becker"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I have a couple indys that I'm willing to donate to anyone willing to
| help with sound development
What happened to the one you sent to Jeremy? Wasn't he supposed to be
doing sound things for mips?
--
Ciaran McC
Marius Mauch wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:15:18 -0400
Luis Francisco Araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Marius Mauch wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:53:32 -0400
Luis Francisco Araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lance Albertson wrote:
I thought of that while I was walking to a meeting..heh Basi
Hi fellow developers,
As you all may recall Devrel some time ago voted in Jon Portnoys (avenj)
RFC[1] for policy change[2] to replace current policy[3] as per the
devrel project pages, and so came the creation of the Conflict
Resolution "project." Please allow me to introduce to you the team;
C
Stuart Herbert wrote:
On 8/24/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When I think about where Gentoo was when we turned into a democracy
years ago, and where Gentoo is now, I don't see much of a difference on
the large scale. We lack any global vision for where Gentoo is going, we
can't
On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 12:21 +0100, Herbie Hopkins wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:43:13AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > someone remind me why our emul packages install in some obscure directory
> > tree
> > rooted in /emul
> >
> > if we moved these things to the standard lib32 dirs, it wo
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Stuart Herbert wrote:
> We've had a global vision for where Gentoo is going from before I
> joined - Gentoo is here to create a source-based distribution where
> each package is as close to what $UPSTREAM intended it to be as
> possible. We're not tr
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:46:12 -0400
Luis Francisco Araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marius Mauch wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:15:18 -0400
> > Luis Francisco Araujo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Marius Mauch wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:53:32 -0400
> >>> Luis Francisco Araujo <
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 11:28 +0200, Lars Weiler wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> it's about the time that some files in CVS need to be
> cleaned out. The CVS-partition on lark is getting small
> again and I want to push the maintenance-resize a little bit
> forward.
>
> See attached a list of Attic-files wh
Marius Mauch wrote:
Donnie isn't much clearer either (it's mostly observations mixed with
personal feelings, not much in real problem anlysis).
Yeah, later I'll probably boil that down into something more bullet-pointy.
Thanks,
Donnie
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On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:54 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> It's very easy to claim that "there are too many flamewars", even if
> that isn't actually true. It's hard to claim "Portage needs replacing,
> the tree has huge QA issues, several archs are horribly unmaintained and
> too many developers
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:48:41 -0400 "Stephen P. Becker"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I have a couple indys that I'm willing to donate to anyone willing to
| help with sound development
What happened to the one you sent to Jeremy? Wasn't he supposed to be
doing sound things
On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:00 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> A distribution is more than just an entity that packages upstream
> tarballs. I agree with your point, but it misses a large chunk of what
> we do.
We also have releases.
Another thing that we do is fix bugs, even in upstream packages,
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:00 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> Oh, gimme a break. Screaming about it on -dev for hundreds of posts
>> isn't just equivalent to a vote, it's better. It makes people think
>> there's more than 2 developers opposed to it.
>
> Really? Even you
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 14:54 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> Most of these problems could be solved if we had a council that was far
>> less spineless, a council that's prepared to address the *real* issues
>> rather than doing nothing, a council that shows leadership and
Robert Szentmihalyi wrote:
> is there a group limit for NFS exported file systems in recent
> kernels? One if my users cannot access directories that belong to a
> group he actually _is_ a member of. That, however, is true only when
> accessing them over NFS. On the local file system, everything i
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