[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Matti, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Matti Bickel schrieb: > Once there was the idea of putting AT testing system specs somewhere, so > arch devs could actually see what we're running. Is this still needed or > is the number of ATs small enough to keep that in head-R

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Jeroen, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Jeroen Roovers schrieb: > I propose the `emerge --info` included in arch testers' comments on > stabilisation bugs should rather be posted as attachments. The AT > comments clog up the bugs and are usually not interesting at all

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Jeroen, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Jeroen Roovers schrieb: > Inlining emerge info in comments bloats the e-mail message to roughly > 2.5 times the normal size. I could have spoken out to get AT comments > banned altogether or to urge arches with AT teams to find a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:56:18 + (UTC) "Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even back before it became the "in" thing, I was posting emerge > --info as attachments, because it simply fit the bill -- bugzy /says/ > to put long stuff as attachments. I never did quite understand why > all that ad

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:51:56 +0200 Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:58:46 +0200 > "Kevin F. Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The problem with attachments is that processing the report takes > > longer > > - you have to go to the web to read the attachment

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:52:30 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In general it depends what you're doing. Personally I find inline > emerge --info quicker to process, as I tend to do that by scrolling up > and down a bug when trying to determine what triggers a bug. However > tha

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Jeroen, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Jeroen Roovers schrieb: > One solution might be to open your own AT bug, make the stabilisation > bug depend on it, and use the AT bug to have ATs post their `emerge > info`. Then, when testing and stabilisation is finished for y

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:40:23 +0200 Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:52:30 +0200 > "Kevin F. Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In general it depends what you're doing. Personally I find inline > > emerge --info quicker to process, as I tend to do that by sc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Thomas Cort
On 11 Aug 2006 00:00:00 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer) wrote: > Tach Jeroen, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) > > Jeroen Roovers schrieb: > > One solution might be to open your own AT bug, make the stabilisation > > bug depend on it, and use the AT b

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Matti Bickel
Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ATs can inform you whether something works in the comment to an > attachment, which, unlike the attachment, will end up in my mailbox. Ok, so i sample my emerge --info > myconfig.txt and attach that. This is ok with me. However, i propose that this funct

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments to [STABLE] bugs

2006-08-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:25:11 +0200 "Kevin F. Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In order to decide to change how things are currently done, you need > to show that it is better for a majority of the people affected. (N minus 1 of N arches) times (the number of arch devs minus the number of $ARCH

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments to [STABLE] bugs

2006-08-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:46:33 +0200 Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I explained from the outset that this change pertains to stabilisation > bugs. If you are not an arch dev, then why are you taking the opposite > side in a discussion of stabilisation bugs which by their very nature > o

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments to [STABLE] bugs

2006-08-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 16:46 +0200, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > N -1 arch dev's comfort against N arch devs' annoyance[1]. > [1] Note that I am aware that not all other-arch devs might experience > inline `emerge info` for other arches as annoying. I am on the alpha, amd64, and x86 arch teams. I ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council polls now open

2006-08-11 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 20:24 +, Ferris McCormick wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 21:11 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:03:26 + Ferris McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > | So the "glue" is rather easy; problem is the specific balloting > > | method. STV suppo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments to [STABLE] bugs

2006-08-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:27:29 -0400 Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am on the alpha, amd64, and x86 arch teams. I have found that even > emails from architectures I'm not currently looking at tend to have a > great significance. It seems to me that most of the failures are > USE-f

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments to [STABLE] bugs

2006-08-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 18:00 +0200, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > And do you propose ATs still attach `emerge info` in this solution? No. It really should be inline. I'm sorry if you think that 5K seems like a lot of "spam" but having to open a browser just to look at "emerge --info" is a complete wast

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments to [STABLE] bugs

2006-08-11 Thread Joshua Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> ex. >> >> gcc 4.1.1 works on x86 with the following: >> >> USE="gtk nls -bootstrap -build -doc -fortran -gcj -hardened -ip28 >> -ip32r10k -mudflap -multislot -nocxx -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -test >> -vanilla" > > Looks OK to me. But hey, aren't arch

[gentoo-dev] new svncache.eclass

2006-08-11 Thread Mark Stier
See http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141806 Provides caching and release tag support for SVN. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: new svncache.eclass

2006-08-11 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Mark Stier wrote: > See http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141806 > > Provides caching and release tag support for SVN. sorry - I do not see the need for a new eclass here. Can you please instead modify the subversion eclass and add support for what you want to do? Best regards, Stefan --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new svncache.eclass

2006-08-11 Thread Mark Stier
sorry - I do not see the need for a new eclass here. Can you please instead modify the subversion eclass and add support for what you want to do? I could if I'd see any reason for that. Best regards, Mark -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new svncache.eclass

2006-08-11 Thread Alec Warner
Mark Stier wrote: sorry - I do not see the need for a new eclass here. Can you please instead modify the subversion eclass and add support for what you want to do? I could if I'd see any reason for that. Going the opposite way, you duplicate much of svn.eclass for one piece of functionalit

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Duncan
"Kevin F. Quinn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:36:35 +0200: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:56:18 + (UTC) > "Duncan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [re. posting AT configs somewhere] >> I like the idea above, tho. For ATs especially, having som

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should patches sit withing the portage tree ?

2006-08-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:04:19 +0200 Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I'm interested in arguments whether patches should sit directly | within the portage tree or downloaded when needed. | | My feeling: downloading on demand is better. | | + makes the tree smaller, saves space, saves net

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments to [STABLE] bugs

2006-08-11 Thread Ryan Hill
Chris Gianelloni wrote: No. It really should be inline. I'm sorry if you think that 5K seems like a lot of "spam" but having to open a browser just to look at "emerge --info" is a complete waste of time. *ding* it's also nice to have that information actually _in_ my mailbox and not of at

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Ryan Hill
Duncan wrote: Matti Bickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:59:51 +0200: Thomas Cort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why do arch testers need to post `emerge --info` if everything works? Shouldn't we be able to trust that they have sane CFLAGS,

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: AT emerge info cruft > attachments on bugs.g.o

2006-08-11 Thread Ryan Hill
Jeroen Roovers wrote: On a minor note, I'd also like to see bug reporters use canonical package names in bug descriptions, including the category (and preferably the specific version, not some >=foo-3*!!!one, not to mention specifying no version at all). Including the category means arch devs won