On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 8:51 PM William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on new
> systems from eudev to udev.
>
> This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current systems since
> they have to migrate manually. Also, this change can be
On 11/08/2020 15.38, Joonas Niilola wrote:
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> On 8/11/20 11:36 AM, Jaco Kroon wrote:
>> And I've already provided you one use case where udev doesn't work well
>> but eudev does. I've also mentioned some historic issues I believe
>> should already be fixed but which did bit me in systemd-udev wh
On 8/11/20 11:36 AM, Jaco Kroon wrote:
> And I've already provided you one use case where udev doesn't work well
> but eudev does. I've also mentioned some historic issues I believe
> should already be fixed but which did bit me in systemd-udev which was
> never a problem in eudev.
>
Your systems
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Hi,
> As I have said earlier on the thread, we should look at udev and seee if
> it breaks things in relation to eudev. That would take some folks
> migrating their systems and reporting issues.
And I've already provided you one use case where ud
Ühel kenal päeval, T, 11.08.2020 kell 07:44, kirjutas Michał Górny:
> > Examples?
>
> I suppose nobody remembers the time (the previous year) where eudev
> broke reverse dependencies because of wrong version number, and it
> took
> around 3 months to get a fix (read: changing the version number) i
On Mon, 2020-08-10 at 21:55 -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> On 8/10/2020 11:22, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:00:44AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> > > On 8/8/2020 14:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to propose that we switch the default udev p
On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 10:59 +0800, Benda Xu wrote:
> Hi William,
>
> William Hubbs writes:
>
> > No one has offered to switch from eudev to udev and look at
> > regressions. People are asking me to show what features exist in udev
> > that aren't in eudev. I stuck with udev. I don't use eudev so
Hi William,
William Hubbs writes:
> No one has offered to switch from eudev to udev and look at
> regressions. People are asking me to show what features exist in udev
> that aren't in eudev. I stuck with udev. I don't use eudev so I don't
> know.
I don't think imposing a personal preference to
On 8/10/2020 22:08, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:55 PM Joshua Kinard wrote:
>>
>> On 8/10/2020 11:22, William Hubbs wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:00:44AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
If eudev is not broken, then why your proposed fix?
>>>
>>> bitrot and bus fact
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:55 PM Joshua Kinard wrote:
>
> On 8/10/2020 11:22, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:00:44AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> >>
> >> If eudev is not broken, then why your proposed fix?
> >
> > bitrot and bus factor.
>
> Examples?
The sole maintainer of eu
On 8/10/2020 11:22, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:00:44AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
>> On 8/8/2020 14:51, William Hubbs wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on new
>>> systems from eudev to udev.
>>>
>>> This is not a lastrit
Hi,
To summarize
- There's no known bugs in eudev that are not in udev
- There's no bug that would be fixed by switch from eudev to udev
- There's no new feature that would change eudev to udev bring
- Currently musl and glibc profiles uses common eudev, after change we
whould have musl profile u
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 05:47:52PM +0200, Alexis Ballier wrote:
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> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:51:41 -0500
> William Hubbs wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on
> > new systems from eudev to u
On 2020.08.10 16:22, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:00:44AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> > On 8/8/2020 14:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider
> on new
> > > systems from eudev to udev.
> > >
> > > Thi
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 13:51:41 -0500
William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on
> new systems from eudev to udev.
>
> This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current systems since
> th
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:00:44AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> On 8/8/2020 14:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on new
> > systems from eudev to udev.
> >
> > This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current systems
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 08:49:20AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 8:16 AM Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> >
> > On 2020-08-10 14:07, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > ...or a revert of a change made for change's sake.
> >
> > That's a bold statement for an unambiguous 7-0 decision as see
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 8:16 AM Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
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> On 2020-08-10 14:07, Michał Górny wrote:
> > ...or a revert of a change made for change's sake.
>
> That's a bold statement for an unambiguous 7-0 decision as seen in
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/575718.
As one who voted yes, my rationale
On 2020-08-10 14:07, Michał Górny wrote:
> ...or a revert of a change made for change's sake.
That's a bold statement for an unambiguous 7-0 decision as seen in
https://bugs.gentoo.org/575718.
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On Mon, 2020-08-10 at 09:35 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 09 Aug 2020, William Hubbs wrote:
> > There are roughly 100 commits in the udev master branch since the date
> > of this sync:
> > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commits/master/src/udev
>
> And what does this tell us?
On Mon, 2020-08-10 at 13:52 +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> On 2020-08-09 23:14, William Hubbs wrote:
> > Here is something else to consider.
> >
> > Blueness and any of the other eudev maintainers are doing good work
> > for alternative c library support such as musl. In fact, the musl
> > pro
On 2020-08-09 23:14, William Hubbs wrote:
> Here is something else to consider.
>
> Blueness and any of the other eudev maintainers are doing good work
> for alternative c library support such as musl. In fact, the musl
> profiles hard mask sys-fs/udev, so they are covered no matter what
> happens
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2020, William Hubbs wrote:
> There are roughly 100 commits in the udev master branch since the date
> of this sync:
> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commits/master/src/udev
And what does this tell us? Commit count isn't very useful as a metric.
Do these commits fix any
On 8/8/2020 14:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on new
> systems from eudev to udev.
>
> This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current systems since
> they have to migrate manually. Also, this change can be overridden a
William Hubbs writes:
>> William - can you actually elaborate on WHY you want to change things?
>> Is there some problem with eudev? Is it actively maintained and
>> generally tracking upstream udev commits (minus whatever they
>> intentionally don't want to accept)?
>
> It is maintained pri
On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 01:22:44PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 06:40:07PM +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> > On 2020-08-08 20:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> > > What do people think?
> >
> > Like others already asked: What's the reason for this?
>
> Like others have said
On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 11:22 AM William Hubbs wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 06:40:07PM +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> > On 2020-08-08 20:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> > > What do people think?
> >
> > Like others already asked: What's the reason for this?
>
> Like others have said on the thr
On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 06:40:07PM +0200, Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
> On 2020-08-08 20:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> > What do people think?
>
> Like others already asked: What's the reason for this?
Like others have said on the thread, the reason for the switch away
from udev in the past was mos
On 2020-08-08 20:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> What do people think?
Like others already asked: What's the reason for this?
What do you expect from this change?
Is there a problem when new Gentoo installations will use EUDEV by
default? Or is there a benefit if new installations would use sys-fs/ud
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 6:57 PM William Hubbs wrote:
> Hi Rich,
>
> > William - can you actually elaborate on WHY you want to change things?
> > Is there some problem with eudev? Is it actively maintained and
> > generally tracking upstream udev commits (minus whatever they
> > intentionally don
On Sat, 2020-08-08 at 21:17 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
> With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from
> systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
> That's the entire reason that eudev was necessary.
Really? And I've thought that the primary reason was that udev upstrea
Hi Rich,
On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 06:22:17PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:17 PM Roy Bamford wrote:
> >
> > With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from
> > systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
> > That's the entire reason that eudev was nec
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 6:48 PM Roy Bamford wrote:
>
> On 2020.08.08 23:22, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:17 PM Roy Bamford
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from
> > > systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
> > > That'
On 2020.08.08 23:22, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:17 PM Roy Bamford
> wrote:
> >
> > With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from
> > systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
> > That's the entire reason that eudev was necessary.
> >
> > I would want
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It actually works is enough reason for me. Was forced to migrate a
> bunch of systems not six months back from systemd-udev to eudev because
> systemd-udev is absolutely terrible w.r.t. race conditions resulting in
> lockups that kept forcing us i
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:17 PM Roy Bamford wrote:
>
> With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from
> systemd, its not something to be done lightly.
> That's the entire reason that eudev was necessary.
>
> I would want some convincing that it was not another step on the road
On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 11:38:36PM +0200, Jaco Kroon wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> On 2020/08/08 22:57, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
> >> On 2020.08.08 19:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> >>> All,
> >>>
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Hi,
On 2020/08/08 22:57, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
>> On 2020.08.08 19:51, William Hubbs wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on
>>> new
On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
> On 2020.08.08 19:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on
> > new
> > systems from eudev to udev.
> >
> > This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current sys
On 2020.08.08 19:51, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on
> new
> systems from eudev to udev.
>
> This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current systems since
> they have to migrate manually. Also, this change can be overridd
> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on new
> systems from eudev to udev.
Well... maybe you could somewhat expand on the why?
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